[Mjhavok]

Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge: it is those who know little, and not those who know much, who so positively assert that this or that problem will never be solved by science.
-CHARLES DARWIN, Introduction, The Descent of Man (1871)

[Quantumorigin7]

Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge: it is those who know little, and not those who know much, who so positively assert that this or that problem will never be solved by science.
-CHARLES DARWIN, Introduction, The Descent of Man (1871)

Ok, smart a**, tell me who God is then.

[BenV]

Intersecting dimensions, mind projection, parallel universe, it's all theory. God is belief. You either believe in him or you don't, got it?

Okay then.  I don't believe in him, and so to me god is not, never has been and can never be real.  Surely that's the end of the discussion?

[Mjhavok]

Ok, smart a**, tell me who God is then.

God is a concept that human beings created to explain mysteries of a primitive time. Throughout human history many of these fictional deities have been created. The particular one you believe in no doubt is tied up with a bunch of your emotions and then you use post hoc rationalisation.

Human beings make things so when we looked at the natural world we thought "someone much bigger than us must have made this". As we progressed we discovered better explanations for natural phenomenon. We know Zeus doesn't cause lightning. In modern society most people no longer think god is even a person. He is some kind of nebulous spirit that purveys the universe. I have no problem with you or anyone believing this but I use Occam's razor and think it is unnecessary. I wish people didn't believe stuff without evidence but hey you can't always get what you want. What really gets me annoyed is when they think they can tell me what a fictional omnipotent beings wants me to do.

[Quantumorigin7]

I have to agree, having someone forcing religion on you is like telling you to go out in the middle of the 4 way intersection blind folded. I know what it's like, being raised Catholic.

I've heard it time and time again that "God is a concept", but can someone, other than myself, reason upon "afterlife experiences" through interdimensional interaction?

[Mjhavok]

but can someone, other than myself, reason upon "afterlife experiences" through interdimensional interaction?

Please elaborate as I have no idea what this means.

[Quantumorigin7]

Basically, can someone, like I do, relate "afterlife" experiences with hologram theory, the mind as a hologram, passing on to a higer dimension upon death and existing as just the mind in that time and space. You can say, "afterlife" or simply, "reincarnation". The mind could project to a higher dimension and then find itself another meat puppet(human body) to be born into, but of higher intelligence.

[tony6789 (OP)]

ive never heard of that theory b4...

[lyner]

Basically, can someone, like I do, relate "afterlife" experiences with hologram theory, the mind as a hologram, passing on to a higer dimension upon death and existing as just the mind in that time and space. You can say, "afterlife" or simply, "reincarnation". The mind could project to a higher dimension and then find itself another meat puppet(human body) to be born into, but of higher intelligence.

It may appeal to you but, to me, that's just a bundle of unrelated buzz words.
How can you be sure that these 'afterlife' experiences are anything more than dreams / hallucinations? Why do they have to be given any more fancy explanation?

[KingJames]

In the Bible, God is quoted to say "I am the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the end".  "The beginning and the end", eh?  Could God be time?  Or could he have been hinting at a mystery of science, inconceivable for us at that point in history?

[Damo the Optics Monkey]

I am a Catholic and Buddhist, as well as being a Scientist... I am not oing to discuss the reasons, intricasies etc of this.

However, one thing I am certain of and it was mentioned very early in this thread - no one is going to be converted toanyone else's line f thinking on the internet.

For example, there is *no way* that I will be convinced by any words to alter mybeliefs in any way whatsoever and there will be no way that I could try and change anyone here (whichI have no interest in doing anyway).

People are simply going to have to accept that people believe differently to they do, no matter how strongly they hold their beliefs.

[lyner]

In the Bible, God is quoted to say "I am the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the end".  "The beginning and the end", eh?  Could God be time?  Or could he have been hinting at a mystery of science, inconceivable for us at that point in history?

In the film 'Judge Dread', Stallone says "I am the Law". Does that have some significance, too?

[Damo the Optics Monkey]

all hail Judge Dredd!!

[tony6789 (OP)]

thats just a movie it doenst really have any significance if u think about it

[lyner]

It is a story, written by someone. Where's the difference between the film and a religious book - which was written by someone?

[tony6789 (OP)]

with film they can pretty much say and do anything they want so long as its "BASED" on the "true story"

[lyner]

So, ignoring the fact that some people feel able to call on extra 'authority' for some religious texts, where's the difference between them and some films, plays, poems, novels etc.?

[SkaterMcgee]

you tell me.

[BenV]

There are scientific proofs of God's is existence, one of is the number Phi, sometimes called the divine proportion or the golden number.
Phi = 1.618

According to the book "The Da Vinci Code" (and this true), if you measure the length from the tip of your head to the floor , and divide that by the length from your navel to the floor,you get Phi. If you measure the length from your hip to the floor, and divide it by the length from your knees to the floor, you get Phi. If you divide the number of female bees by the number of male bees in a bee hive,you get Phi. "Sun flower seeds grow in opposing spirals, the ratio of each rotation's diameter to the next is....PHI.
Fundamentally, Phi appears in everything; music, art, nature, architecture....everything.
This (at least for me) proves two things;
1- Divine power definitely exists.
2- Only ONE God exists, otherwise we wouldn't find such an astonishing link between everything in existence.

This is not, in any way, proof of the existence of any god.  Sorry.

[BenV]

Coincidental numbers in nature do not speak of a deity.  Especially when you consider that we all evolved from the same source.  Pi also appears over and over again in nature (in anything circular), does pi prove the existence of god?