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damocles says I completely fail to see why this indicates cooling rather than heating.henry@damoclesNevermind, you completely fail to understand the argument that I make. I will try to explain it again to you from another angle. Check this graph:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Solar_Spectrum.pngThe red is what you get on your head. The yellow marked amount of radiation of that solar spectrum is what is being back radiated, to space, mostly by the O3, HxOx and NxOx, and lastly also by CO2. This is why we are even able to measure it as it bounced back to earth from the moon. That is the what the "technical" paper was about. All these gases are GHG's, agreed?Now, do you not understand that if there is more of these gases coming into the atmosphere, either naturally or man made, that more of it is being back radiated? If more is being back radiated it means that less radiation is coming in, the red part is becoming smaller, hence we are cooling. So, more GHG naturally means more cooling. Hence the reason why I say that if you want to prove that the net effect of an increase in one particular GHG is that of warming rather than that of cooling you have to show me a balance sheet that would prove how much cooling and how much warming is caused by a certain% increase of that gas. The problem is that science has stood still in this regard and has relied heavily on the closed box experiments - by Tyndall and Arrhenius-, and these only show one side of the coin. Further more, the absorption of CO2 causing the back radiation to earth 14-16 um, is at around 200K, while the incoming radiation at 2 and 4 um being back radiated to space is around 5000K. Therefore, I am naturally inclined to think that the net effect of more CO2 in the atmosphere is that of cooling rather than warming. Do you now see what the problem is? If you want to prove to me that more CO2 causes warming you have to give me the balance sheet that would convert those 2 differences in energy caused by a certain % increase of the GHG, so that I can compare... If you say such proof exists, of all GHGs, then where is it?
Damocles says ....the majority of scientists in a particular field have come up with an accepted position..........be armed with good evidence of an anomaly.....henry@damoclesSo, do you not agree with me that if it were not for a few people in history, like Isaac Newton, we would all still be crawling around in the darkness? quite literally, at night, I think!
Sorry for you, pal. Science is not by consensus.
Unfortunately for many people, their income now depends on this whole sick theory. Millions have been invested and even our pension now depends on it. That is why there is this reluctance to accept the (naturally occurring) facts.
Actually, this whole warming-by-CO2 theory was mainly driven by one man, namely Hansen, and I am sure that history will soon prove him wrong, as this article by a respectable scientific publication relates.http://www.dailytech.com/Warming+Evangelist+Hansen+Retires+Researchers+Advise+Panic+Despite+Flat+Temps/article30322.htm
As to your 2nd statement: you seem to want to claim that I have not provided good evidence to the contrary of the current theory I put it to you that I did provide this evidence.1) as related in the article above, it is even generally accepted now, even by members on this forum - if you read through the posts- , that earth has in fact not warmed for the past 16 years, despite the increase in CO2.2) In my first post on the first page, I have shown to you what my own results show: it has been globally cooling for the last 11 years, which is the equivalent of one whole solar cycle. I have also shown that most other data sets also show a negative trend i.e. a cooling trend over the last 11 years.3) In my last graph, which I will quote here again, http://blogs.24.com/henryp/2012/10/02/best-sine-wave-fit-for-the-drop-in-global-maximum-temperatures/it is clear to me that this cooling will continue, because there is a clear definable pattern. It happens every 90 to 100 years or so with 50% of the cycle time warming and 50% cooling. Even the ancients knew about this. Think about 7 x 7 years= 49 years + 1 jubilee year every 50th year?According to my prediction, we are on our cooling path back now, and by about 2040 everything will be back to where we were in 1950. I may have a slight error on the time scales, but all indications are that global cooling will continue and that it will accelerate in time to come. Better get ready for that. To prevent famines as experienced in the past during such times, I recommend less agriculture at higher latitudes and more at lower latitudes...please. Have a happy cooling off time.
I thought you were the clever one hereperhaps damocles is the clever guy:he remains silent if he does not know the answers....
Why don't you do a test in the lab. and see how much bicarbonate you need to put in the seawater to see any visible change in pH. I am not an expert on this,
damocles says...through increasing acidity of the oceans...henry@damoclesnow there is another myth. Why don't you do a test in the lab. and see how much bicarbonate you need to put in the seawater to see any visible change in pH. I am not an expert on this, but here is a whole list of graphs on that subject: