[alancalverd]

You are right that it is hard to criticize countries for going through processes that the "west" has already gone through.

From my point of view this is nothing to do with criticism - that's (a) outside the realm of science and (b) pointless. The question was, what can we do about climate change? Well, if it's caused by anthropogenic CO2, we must stop producing the  stuff. Now how can we achieve that in practice? By exercising control through the existing means, i.e. national governments. So where do we start? Obviously, with the government that controls the largest quantity of CO2. Nothing to do with value judgement or blame (that would lead us down the irrelevant path of per capita emissions), just brutal facts.     

[SimpleEngineer]

OK, gentlemen, you have made your points. So, what should we do? Disregard the subject completely?  Wait and see if the situation is going to get worse? Take limited action to correct the situation? Take immediate action to correct the situation as much as possible.?  Some other suggestion that you think is both possible and that will correct the situation?  Thanks for your comments.  Joe L. Ogan

The subject should be studied, describing something as 'a situation' is what got people into a mess in the first place.. who says there is a situation that isn't in the normal climatic change that will happen to the planet anyway.

I think the answer is for people to slow down and reverse population growth (1 child per family for a couple of generations) which will never happen.

A solution would be to geoengineer the planet to fit our requirements.. which will never happen

'The problem' is not being able to do anything to fix 'issues' because there are too many people who stand in the way of progress.. and previous attempts of creating a global emergency to force things to happen just penalized the normal people and achieved nothing.

 

[Joe L. Ogan (OP)]

As I see it, birth control is being practiced by better educated and more intelligent women.  That will lead to lower intelligence of the nation in the not too distant future.  To be effective, birth control must be universal.  That would help some.  Thanks for comments, Joe L. Ogan 

[SimpleEngineer]

As I see it, birth control is being practiced by better educated and more intelligent women.  That will lead to lower intelligence of the nation in the not too distant future.  To be effective, birth control must be universal.  That would help some.  Thanks for comments, Joe L. Ogan

Someone is aware of the film 'Idiocracy' I see..

Fortunately Intelligence is not 100% genetics, or 100% upbringing, or even 100% education. There is this spark in people that make them intelligent..

UNfortunately.. in the have and have not culture we have in the world not every intelligent person can achieve their potential, and most of the time the less intelligent people restrict the capabilities of the budding genius's of the world, due to either ignorance or the feeling of being threatened by the awareness of their lacking.

You are spot on with the limitations of birth control and there is nothing that can be considered even partly humane to actually achieve the needed goal.

As I said.. there are too many people standing in the way of progress for us to be able to achieve anything tangible and truely rewarding. We cant home the homeless as people dont want houses built near them, for whatever reason.. we cant feed the hungry as people dont want GM crops.. We cant produce relatively clean, cheap and long lasting power, as people have misconceptions about nuclear power.. We cant even build windmills to produce mostly clean and renewable energy because people complain about all manner of things.. We can barely keep murderers off the street without people claiming its inhumane.. What hope do we have?

[Joe L. Ogan (OP)]

I am surprised that there is not more positive reaction to the concept of global warming.  It makes me wonder if the concept is so fully approved in the scientific world as some would have one believe? What do you think?  Is the concept as fully approved in the scientific world as it is heralded? Or is that some more propaganda?  Some reaction from those who have a positive concept would be appreciated!  Thanks for comments.  Joe L. Ogan

[alancalverd]

As far as the UK is concerned, recent trends in climate have been beneficial to agriculture and fuel consumption even if the Scottish ski resorts have had a bad time. Who knows, we may even return to the balmy days of the Roman empire. I miss the snowy winters but you can't have everything, and English wine is amazingly good.

[yor_on]

Joe

You have threads discussing those stolen Emails, debunking the denier claims, somewhere at TNS. And I consider your first opinion the correct one. It will continuously get worse, until we adapt to our new role as 'caretakers' of this planet, instead of its 'exploiters'. Doubt any sane species would enjoy us, near them, seeing what we are doing to our own planet.

And talking about emigrating into space is just stupidity. We're already on the best spaceship ever built.

Earth.