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May God bless the evolution -god that works in mysterious ways through its invisible mysterious magical hand : that of the unguided blind random highly unlikely ,step by step ,gradual , mathematically impossible , lottery of the so-called natural selection lol: the materialist version of design in nature : the most implausible one at that , that is , that violates Occam's razor through a billion of ways .
Quote from: DonQuichotte on 29/10/2014 20:31:10When the brain is damaged , that does not mean that consciousness gets altered , reduced or that it disappears : it is still there , it just gets blocked since its brain channels are damaged or disconnected .We've been through all this before, but to save looking out the posts, how does your theory account for brain damage causing personality changes? Is personality not part of consciousness?If not, what is?
When the brain is damaged , that does not mean that consciousness gets altered , reduced or that it disappears : it is still there , it just gets blocked since its brain channels are damaged or disconnected .
Quote from: DonQuichotte on 30/10/2014 17:35:54May God bless the evolution -god that works in mysterious ways through its invisible mysterious magical hand : that of the unguided blind random highly unlikely ,step by step ,gradual , mathematically impossible , lottery of the so-called natural selection lol: the materialist version of design in nature : the most implausible one at that , that is , that violates Occam's razor through a billion of ways .Natural Selection. And this.15 Answers to Creationist Nonsensehttp://www.scientificamerican.com/article/15-answers-to-creationist/
I don't follow you here : what do you mean by saying that if drugs and brain damage simply prevented other people from detecting your conscious experience ?Stroke victims can no longer perform certain mental functions , certain of their body parts get paralyzed ....simply because their brain damaged areas prevent their minds from doing that .That's why they can recover from that through brain excercises and other therapies....... I said : when certain brain areas are damaged , so , consciousness gets blocked from expressing itself at that level , since consciousness and brain are inseparable , so , consciousness has to "flow " , so to speak, through the brain and body ......Consciousness is still fully intact of course , it just gets blocked from flowing or expressing itself through brain and body : the unfortunate people who become victims of brain injuries, damage , diseases , ....don't get access to certain aspects of their consciousness , even though the latter is still fully intact .
Oh, please : don't play the creationist card .Don't use it as an exit strategy or tactic to get around the real issues at hand, which are :
Quote from: dlorde on 30/10/2014 00:09:09 how does your theory account for brain damage causing personality changes? Is personality not part of consciousness?...Well, once again, consciousness has to express itself through the brain channels , so to speak ,since brain and consciousness are inseparable , so, when certain areas of the brain are damaged , then certain aspects of consciousness seem to be reduced , altered or gone . The same goes for the loss of self-identity or personality ...through brain damage ...so.<blather>
how does your theory account for brain damage causing personality changes? Is personality not part of consciousness?
...One thing I would to know more about is how memories and other types of information are encoded in the brain. David Cooper points out that computers can do memory, they can process information; that is not consciousness and does not require it. Nevertheless, I think it is a primary reason some people have trouble believing that consciousness could be just a physical process carried out in the brain. They cannot imagine how something so abstract, and amorphous as a thought could be encoded and stored by cells or molecules, connections, or maps in the brain. Because images, ideas, thoughts, memories don’t seem “like" those things. For some reason people have no problem with information or images stored in zeros and ones in computers. Yet, there seems to be this unshakeable sense that our own memories or thoughts have to exist in some miniature, ephemeral, yet holistic format that resembles the way we experience them, not simply “code.” The Cartesian theatre will not die.
Naturalism : Source : Encyclopædia Britannica ,Ultimate Reference Suite 2013 : In philosophy, a theory that relates scientific method to philosophy by affirming that all beings and events in the universe (whatever their inherent character may be) are natural. Consequently, all knowledge of the universe falls within the pale of scientific investigation. Although naturalism denies the existence of truly supernatural realities, it makes allowance for the supernatural, provided that knowledge of it can be had indirectly—that is, that natural objects be influenced by the so-called supernatural entities in a detectable way.......
Quote from: cheryl j on 30/10/2014 19:33:40...One thing I would to know more about is how memories and other types of information are encoded in the brain. David Cooper points out that computers can do memory, they can process information; that is not consciousness and does not require it. Nevertheless, I think it is a primary reason some people have trouble believing that consciousness could be just a physical process carried out in the brain. They cannot imagine how something so abstract, and amorphous as a thought could be encoded and stored by cells or molecules, connections, or maps in the brain. Because images, ideas, thoughts, memories don’t seem “like" those things. For some reason people have no problem with information or images stored in zeros and ones in computers. Yet, there seems to be this unshakeable sense that our own memories or thoughts have to exist in some miniature, ephemeral, yet holistic format that resembles the way we experience them, not simply “code.” The Cartesian theatre will not die.Perhaps they would be interested in some research that recorded brain activity in rats during learning a task, then chemically wiped that memory, and subsequently restored it by replaying the activity recording into the same brain pathways - demonstrating electronic storage of memory.
Naturalism : Source : Encyclopædia Britannica ,Ultimate Reference Suite 2013 : In philosophy, a theory that relates scientific method to philosophy by affirming that all beings and events in the universe (whatever their inherent character may be) are natural. Consequently, all knowledge of the universe falls within the pale of scientific investigation. Although naturalism denies the existence of truly supernatural realities, it makes allowance for the supernatural, provided that knowledge of it can be had indirectly—that is, that natural objects be influenced by the so-called supernatural entities in a detectable way.
Quote from: DonQuichotte on 30/10/2014 19:43:23Naturalism : Source : Encyclopædia Britannica ,Ultimate Reference Suite 2013 : In philosophy, a theory that relates scientific method to philosophy by affirming that all beings and events in the universe (whatever their inherent character may be) are natural. Consequently, all knowledge of the universe falls within the pale of scientific investigation. Although naturalism denies the existence of truly supernatural realities, it makes allowance for the supernatural, provided that knowledge of it can be had indirectly—that is, that natural objects be influenced by the so-called supernatural entities in a detectable way.This seems like a very complicated way of saying nothing at all. But then it is philosophy, after all.
Quote from: DonQuichotte on 30/10/2014 19:43:23Naturalism : Source : Encyclopædia Britannica ,Ultimate Reference Suite 2013 : In philosophy, a theory that relates scientific method to philosophy by affirming that all beings and events in the universe (whatever their inherent character may be) are natural. Consequently, all knowledge of the universe falls within the pale of scientific investigation. Although naturalism denies the existence of truly supernatural realities, it makes allowance for the supernatural, provided that knowledge of it can be had indirectly—that is, that natural objects be influenced by the so-called supernatural entities in a detectable way....... Well if Naturalism makes sense to you, I actually think you are in very good company. Perhaps this will be of interest. Moving Naturalism Forward - Interdisciplinary WorkshopSponsored by the Division of Physics, Mathematics, and Astronomy and the Moore Center for Theoretical Cosmology and Physics, California Institute of Technology.http://preposterousuniverse.com/naturalism2012/
Quote from: DonQuichotte on 30/10/2014 18:54:51Quote from: dlorde on 30/10/2014 00:09:09 how does your theory account for brain damage causing personality changes? Is personality not part of consciousness?...Well, once again, consciousness has to express itself through the brain channels , so to speak ,since brain and consciousness are inseparable , so, when certain areas of the brain are damaged , then certain aspects of consciousness seem to be reduced , altered or gone . The same goes for the loss of self-identity or personality ...through brain damage ...so.<blather>Vague, but I'll take that as a partial answer that suggesting that the brain handles those aspects.OK, so we know that personality, identity, sense of self, memory, language, recognition, comprehension, and all other recognisable attributes and adjuncts of what we usually recognise as consciousness can be significantly altered, disrupted, or destroyed by brain damage, in ways not consistent with the brain simply being a 'filter' (it must be doing more than filtering to be able to change your personality and behaviour) - and the suggestion is that they are things the brain does on behalf of this non-material consciousness. So what is left for the non-material consciousness? it would seem to be nothing but an anonymous 'elan-vital', sans self, sans personality, sans identity; to paraphrase Shakespeare, "Sans teeth, sans eyes, sans taste, sans everything". The implication should be obvious - if it existed at all, it would be a waste of space. It would have no apparent functional contribution whatsoever; a redundant conceptual anachronism [8D]