[alancalverd]

im south African lol.

Are you offering that as a reason or an excuse?

[gazza711 (OP)]

If Polaris is "just below the horizon" that rather suggests that the earth is spherical. And as you go further south it is more and more "just below".  Glasgow is 56 degrees north. Is the Southern Cross visible from Sauciehall Street?

what number is your house and I will send you the answer.its most probable to far away to see,but its the at a different angle possibly-this can be explained through online videos using programs to project why the north and south spin in 2 different directions and the moon is upside down in the southern hemisphere.why is ur image upside down in one side of a spoon.thats what got me started in all off this.others can see what we cant.

how about if each degree of latitude is 110km.there are 90 degrees from pole to pole.

Not on my map - there are 180 degrees of latitude from pole to pole. Get a better map.

ye.i realised that after I wrote it.thank you for not ripping me apart for that stupid assumption.there are 180 degrees.my bad

your not a map maker-of which they all admit nothing on the globe map scale is exact or perfect

If the earth were flat, you could map it exactly onto a flat sheet with no distortion at all. The fact that you can't, surely suggests that it isn't?

look up flat earth in google under images.makes sense.many of our bulk land masses,ice or not are not to size.
antartica has never had someone walk the shore/coast/cliff line to measure it.the have been methods,but many explorers of the 1800s said that they believed the longitude line distances between them widened the further south they travelled from the equator.cook,rowbotham,de gama,james clark ross,william carpenter.

the british ship challenger recently completed the circuit of the southern region.3years later and 69000miles later.
apparently antartic coastline starts at 75 degrees and impenetratable.

flight connections all over the world follow the flat earth distances as they are the shortest by coincidence.i know you all think im nuts,but there are 100s of scientist who believe what I believe-and I am just an observer-not a conspiracy junkie.

[gazza711 (OP)]

im south African lol.

Are you offering that as a reason or an excuse?

things would have been different if the won the rugby eh.both maybe:-) []

[chiralSPO]

flight connections all over the world follow the flat earth distances as they are the shortest by coincidence.

That is demonstrably false. For instance, look at these flight paths from the US to India. All of the paths appear curved on the flat map (so not the shortest option if it actually was flat).

http://www.mumbai.me/New-York/images/Manchester-New-York-flight-path.gif
http://travelisfree.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/Screen-shot-2014-01-27-at-10.44.48-PM.png

In fact this makes sense if you look at it as a spherical globe and fly like this:
http://onemileatatime.boardingarea.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/Air-India-USA-Destinations.gif

[gazza711 (OP)]

flight connections all over the world follow the flat earth distances as they are the shortest by coincidence.

That is demonstrably false. For instance, look at these flight paths from the US to India. All of the paths appear curved on the flat map (so not the shortest option if it actually was flat).

http://www.mumbai.me/New-York/images/Manchester-New-York-flight-path.gif
http://travelisfree.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/Screen-shot-2014-01-27-at-10.44.48-PM.png

In fact this makes sense if you look at it as a spherical globe and fly like this:
http://onemileatatime.boardingarea.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/Air-India-USA-Destinations.gif

My appologies.I write bfore I think. I meant southern hemisphere/below the equator

[chiralSPO]

My appologies.I write bfore I think. I meant southern hemisphere/below the equator

I don't see how that changes your statement, unless you think that the northern hemishphere is curved and the southern hemisphere is flat.... There aren't any odd kinks in the surface, so either the Earth is flat everywhere, or it is curved everywhere (hint: it's the second one)

[alancalverd]

antartica has never had someone walk the shore/coast/cliff line to measure it.the have been methods,but many explorers of the 1800s said that they believed the longitude line distances between them widened the further south they travelled from the equator.cook,rowbotham,de gama,james clark ross,william carpenter.

The Commonwealth Transantarctic Expedition travelled just over 2000 miles from sea to sea via the pole, which gives Antarctica a circumference of about 6300 miles. If the earth was a flat disc, it would have to be twice the circumference of the equator, nearly 50,000 miles. And there would be no south pole, which is a pity as lots of people seem to have planted flags in the same place.

[Colin2B]

.i want to be educated

Is this true or have you already made up your mind?
Eg

?...so either the Earth is flat everywhere, or it is curved everywhere (hint: it's the second one)

If you genuinely want to learn, I would be prepared to take the time to talk about perspective and curvature, but no point if your mind is set!

[alancalverd]

My appologies.I write bfore I think. I meant southern hemisphere/below the equator

Hemiwhat? "Below"? You have blown your cover: you clearly think the earth is a sphere.

[gazza711 (OP)]

My appologies.I write bfore I think. I meant southern hemisphere/below the equator

I don't see how that changes your statement, unless you think that the northern hemishphere is curved and the southern hemisphere is flat.... There aren't any odd kinks in the surface, so either the Earth is flat everywhere, or it is curved everywhere (hint: it's the second one)

look up a picture of the flat earth.that will save the confusion.looks a bit like-actually it is the map on un flag.

[gazza711 (OP)]

antartica has never had someone walk the shore/coast/cliff line to measure it.the have been methods,but many explorers of the 1800s said that they believed the longitude line distances between them widened the further south they travelled from the equator.cook,rowbotham,de gama,james clark ross,william carpenter.

The Commonwealth Transantarctic Expedition travelled just over 2000 miles from sea to sea via the pole, which gives Antarctica a circumference of about 6300 miles. If the earth was a flat disc, it would have to be twice the circumference of the equator, nearly 50,000 miles. And there would be no south pole, which is a pity as lots of people seem to have planted flags in the same place.

I believe that was 69000miles/kms maybe over 3 years.and the length of antarticas shore/coastline is 17968-est 2012.established being the optimum word. Flags where?Ive never heard of a south pole they cant actually get to.I think you are spot on with the circumference being close to 50000 miles.if antartica is 75 degrees south,then there is about 1050miles(15 degrees) of land for a start?
you must look this up.it is interesting as hell-do you know they were going to shut down the space part of nasa not long ago-why would they.

[gazza711 (OP)]

My appologies.I write bfore I think. I meant southern hemisphere/below the equator

Hemiwhat? "Below"? You have blown your cover: you clearly think the earth is a sphere.

Ofcourse I believe it is a sphere like we were all told from day 1-but up until Columbus,the world was flat.and even Columbus wasn't the first as many know.europe had already been in contact with the west.what proof do you know off that the world is a sphere?

[gazza711 (OP)]

antartica has never had someone walk the shore/coast/cliff line to measure it.the have been methods,but many explorers of the 1800s said that they believed the longitude line distances between them widened the further south they travelled from the equator.cook,rowbotham,de gama,james clark ross,william carpenter.

The Commonwealth Transantarctic Expedition travelled just over 2000 miles from sea to sea via the pole, which gives Antarctica a circumference of about 6300 miles. If the earth was a flat disc, it would have to be twice the circumference of the equator, nearly 50,000 miles. And there would be no south pole, which is a pity as lots of people seem to have planted flags in the same place.

I believe that was 69000kms maybe over 3 years.and the length of antarticas shore/coastline is 17968-est 2012.established being the optimum word. Flags where?Ive never heard of a south pole they cant actually get to.I think you are spot on with the circumference being close to 50000 miles.if antartica is 75 degrees south,then there is about 1050miles(15 degrees) of land for a start?
you must look this up.it is interesting as hell-do you know they were going to shut down the space part of nasa not long ago-why would they.

also remember the difference between a statue mile and a nautical mile.which were you referring.look up the bedford experiment along with 100s of other experiments proving that there is no curvature on earth.do your research first and you will see that theres more scientific proof than equations this time.

[gazza711 (OP)]

.i want to be educated

Is this true or have you already made up your mind?
Eg

?...so either the Earth is flat everywhere, or it is curved everywhere (hint: it's the second one)

If you genuinely want to learn, I would be prepared to take the time to talk about perspective and curvature, but no point if your mind is set!

open.all ears.but if you think you can explain the Bermuda triangle mystery-turns out the chief nautical officer of that area was corrected by a college graduate that they had it all wrong and instruments were incorrect and pilots of ships and planes were drifting way off course and crashing etc. turns out the angles change the further east or west you go north.this was because magnetic north was slightly off centre.

the same happened at all of the CAPE'S of the world south of the equator.they were positive they were miles from land etc and they just weren't.they would drift 10miles a day apparently.that why no one uses the open south seas,they just follow the land-although there are quicker ways.

How can you explain curvature when there is none.perspective is what you were taught in school along with the globe.vanishing point.ye I know all that.Do you think an eagle sees what we see or 5 times better.it would probably say you were crazy.even the disappearing ships on the horizon can still be seen without dropping.

Ok.OK.OK-if you are correct-why doesn't the horizon curve from left to right-HMMMMMMMMMMMM
Its easier to fool someone than convince them they were fooled.

[alancalverd]

if you are correct-why doesn't the horizon curve from left to right-

Mine does. Perhaps you should visit an optician as well as a psychiatrist.

[Colin2B]

Gary, you are throwing a mass of misconceptions and misinformation around and to be honest I don't have time to write a textbook. Would have been happy to cover the area I suggested, but I'll leave it there, and leave you to whatever.
Just don't try to convince your kids that this stuff is real, ok  []

[gazza711 (OP)]

if you are correct-why doesn't the horizon curve from left to right-

Mine does. Perhaps you should visit an optician as well as a psychiatrist.

a and b should be lower than the centre-that applies to the photo I attempted to copy and paste

[alancalverd]

A is in fact lower (at least closer to the bottom edge of the photo) than B. So what shape does that make the planet?

[gazza711 (OP)]

A is in fact lower (at least closer to the bottom edge of the photo) than B. So what shape does that make the planet?

The picture does not indicate a different shape of the earth,but it does make the earth seem flat over a 5 mile stretch possibly.Eratosthenes didn't think of this did he.
It depends what direction the picture was taken-but it aint curved is it and that's the strongest point I have so far. Ive never noticed a slanting horizon(L-R), so it could be the camera. Also,most pictures you have seen showing curvature of any kind would have been using reflecting lenses and not refracting due to cost and ease to use as refracting are a lot trickier apparently.

[gazza711 (OP)]

NOAA's official value for the total length of the U.S. shoreline is 95,471 miles.and antarctica in 1.4 times the size eh?

Do you know that Antarctica is 1.4 times bigger than the USA or Europe(FACT).that's huge-but that cant give it a coastline of 17000kms-can it?
 
My calculations show that Antarctica could be an average of 2070miles wide.thats 3312 kms.
the radius would be 1656kms.this is based on Antarcticas position average of 75 degrees lattitude.

so my estimate of the coastline of Antarctica on flat earth would be 40722miles/65155kms-estimate
the total circumference of flat earth would be 48866miles/78186kms-estimate
Interesting stuff