[demografx]

So either way you're screwed. (can I say that?)

Of course you can! You just did!  []

[demografx]

Hoping, thanks for reporting!

[Vandemolen3]

Hoping, that's great news.
Can you tell me what the difference is between type I and IV?

[daveman]

Hoping, that's great news.
Can you tell me what the difference is between type I and IV?

There's basic information in Dr. W's reports. Basically it has to do with the type of defenders that are put in place. The immune system has different defenses for different attackers.

Type I are your typical allergies like hay fever. These are attacked by IgE (immunoglobin E) which increases tissue permeability permitting better access of fluids with antibodies from the blood to the attackers. Thus the inflamation and wattery eyes, nose lungs etc.

Type IV responses rather than antibody mediated are cell mediated responses. This has a response which takes 2 to 3 days to develop, and a chain of T-Cells are involved and morph through creation of cytokines etc. etc. So inflamation and aggression can occur in various areas. Like nervous system and joints.

It's interesting that Againdra Bewtra speaks of varifying the type IV response. It would not be superficially recognized, and goes beyond Dr. W's tests. The association in Dr. W's tests are made by defect. During the desensitization, at times the patients experienced light POIS symptoms. This would be akin to verification of the Type IV response, although it is obvious that this effect would want to be avoided so as not to make the cure as bad as the cause.

This should give a rough idea of the differences.

Edit B_Jim we cross posted []

[Vandemolen3]

Thanks for the quick answer.
OK, so I think with my POIS I have both type I and IV. And what are type II and III?

[daveman]

Thanks for the quick answer.
OK, so I think with my POIS I have both type I and IV. And what are type II and III?

See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypersensitivity

[CertainlyPOIS]

"Dr. went over the information that you sent to us and said there is not enough concrete evidence that someone is allergic to their own body fluids and he also contacted the head allergy and immunology physician at Southwestern Medical Center in Dallas and he said the same.  He said he was sorry he could not help you.  He also does not know whom he could refer you too."

This is the response from one of the immunologist i contacted.
How am i suppose to respond to that?
still skeptical even with years of reasearch and more than enough suffers to back up the reasearch.

I guess i am going to challenge him and ask him if he is willing to do intradermal test.

Don't bother. Find someone who's motivated. This guy only wants to say "I told you so".
Freaken goofs!

Edit: Hope they didn't have the nerve to charge you!!

i have goten smarter, i just email them and let them decided with the information i send.

Jeez... How many years do they study to know if you're alergic to flowers or trees. Body fluids, heck, that's a whole other thing!

Not enough evidence.... yeah for them! I guess one of them needs a good case of POIS!

BTW, can you tell that I'm all riled up? Hey Demo, got a good cartoon for this?

One of those Pictures in infinite loop of me slapping doctors reapetedly with 20 copies of dr waldingers paper binded together.

[CertainlyPOIS]

Those of us with just type iv reactions like myself will probally not react to a skinprick test because skinprick test is most efficient for type 1 allergies that involve breakouts and similar symptoms. 
Inorder to stimulate those cytokines that create iv reactions we gonna have to get doctors to get that semen to cytokines through intradermal injections.
intradermal injections is the closest in similarity to what happens in the body when we do the big O. Because urethera is not on the skin it is inside the body.

[daveman]

Those of us with just type iv reactions like myself will probally not react to a skinprick test because skinprick test is most efficient for type 1 allergies that involve breakouts and similar symptoms. 
Inorder to stimulate those cytokines that create iv reactions we gonna have to get doctors to get that semen to cytokines through intradermal injections.
intradermal injections is the closest in similarity to what happens in the body when we do the big O. Because urethera is not on the skin it is inside the body.

If I understood it well, in the desenitization, they try to maintain 3+ reactions, adjusting the dilution. When the dilution is too great, producing greater than 3+ reactions is when the Type IV kicks in.

But it's a very good point that perhaps some of us don't get the Type I reaction and thus, the skinprick may not produce any reaction. However, a strong enough dilution should still produce the Type IV.

So one would have to start with like 1:40000, if that does nothing bump it up, a little at a time. I'm sure that it isn't as easy as all that:
How much do you wait between tries?  Should be at least 3 days, which is the Type IV reaction time, but is it accumulative over say 5 days or 7? How much should you decrease the dilution (increase the strength)? And through all this you'd need to abstain so as not to mix normal POIS with skinprick POIS....

Just thoughts. One of course would be stupid to try it!  []

[demografx]

On February 18, 2007

                                John21


courageously and eloquently

                                                  posted here as the very first POIS-poster


at a place which has now blossomed from that lone voice in the wilderness


to a Worldwide Resource and Network for POIS sufferers!

                                                       
                                                Thank you, John, who is still with us and active today!


                   

[daveman]

My nephew isn't even 4 yrs old!!

[demografx]

True, Dave, but was your nephew fathered by John21?

[Habibou]

Those of us with just type iv reactions like myself will probally not react to a skinprick test because skinprick test is most efficient for type 1 allergies that involve breakouts and similar symptoms. 
Inorder to stimulate those cytokines that create iv reactions we gonna have to get doctors to get that semen to cytokines through intradermal injections.
intradermal injections is the closest in similarity to what happens in the body when we do the big O. Because urethera is not on the skin it is inside the body.

I totally agree with you !
I guess I also have mostly the IV allergic reaction... and my first skin test (which wasn't an intradermal injection) was negative.

We talked about it earlier but " inject semence directly into the IV type reaction" looks like "intralymphatic administration" (remind: about 2/4 months to cure from a tough allergy, compared to the long time of hyposensitization therapy)

I talked about in a mail with Dr Prof Waldinger, and he said it could be hazardous, but he would contact me later to talk seriously about it. I talked about it with my allergist, she didn't answer yet...

[daveman]

Those of us with just type iv reactions like myself will probally not react to a skinprick test because skinprick test is most efficient for type 1 allergies that involve breakouts and similar symptoms. 
Inorder to stimulate those cytokines that create iv reactions we gonna have to get doctors to get that semen to cytokines through intradermal injections.
intradermal injections is the closest in similarity to what happens in the body when we do the big O. Because urethera is not on the skin it is inside the body.

I totally agree with you !
I guess I also have mostly the IV allergic reaction... and my first skin test (which wasn't an intradermal injection) was negative.

We talked about it earlier but " inject semence directly into the IV type reaction" looks like "intralymphatic administration" (remind: about 2/4 months to cure from a tough allergy, compared to the long time of hyposensitization therapy)

I talked about in a mail with Dr Prof Waldinger, and he said it could be hazardous, but he would contact me later to talk seriously about it. I talked about it with my allergist, she didn't answer yet...

That sounds REALLY positive that he might be willing to entertain this concept. Excellent. Obviously it sounds like it would be much more hazardous than just skinprick, so it's great that you may be able to approach this method with him!

[demografx]

Habibou, great that you approached Dr Waldinger and that you are pursuing this!

[demografx]

True, Dave, but was your nephew fathered by John21?

And if he was, would that make him "Son Of POIS"?

[John21 (OP)]

On February 18, 2007

                                John21


courageously and eloquently

                                                  posted here as the very first POIS-poster


at a place which has now blossomed from that lone voice in the wilderness


to a Worldwide Resource and Network for POIS sufferers!

                                                       
                                                Thank you, John, who is still with us and active today!


                   

Everyone, Demo likes to give me credit for asking a question, but we all know who is really deserving of praise for the work done here. There are more than one, but Demo plays a pivotal role, and I thank him for what he does. When I asked the question I was experiencing POIS and had read online about Waldinger's patients, who had post orgasm "flu like symptoms", and I think that encouraged me. It dawned on me that there could be others out there, and now here we are. Thanks to every person who contributes in whatever capacity they can. Our numbers have increased since the release of Waldinger's reports. As POIS gets more recognized over time, who knows how many lives may be helped by your efforts. Happy anniversary!

[Habibou]

Habibou, great that you approached Dr Waldinger and that you are pursuing this!

Thank you Demo Yes, he said it was a good idea to try, as soon as he can ! I guess it was an interesting way so i push him a little (a) ^^

[CertainlyPOIS]

Habibou, great that you approached Dr Waldinger and that you are pursuing this!

Thank you Demo Yes, he said it was a good idea to try, as soon as he can ! I guess it was an interesting way so i push him a little (a) ^^

straight dreaming here; if he tries it and intralymphatic does work in 2 - 4 months. Saving up some money and moving to europe for like 6 months to do the program with him will worth it.

[CertainlyPOIS]

I think instead of going to private doctors we should all start contacting the head of allergy departments in university hospitals around our location to see who is willing to help