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« Reply #14500 on: 01/09/2011 06:11:47 »
Also, I'd like to see a study of normal men injected with their own semen.  Because if we can approve that 100% of normal non-pois men do not flare up after having a skin ***** test, and over 90% of us do, that is some useful information and would definitely persuade me that an allergy to semen is what can be causing all of this havoc and instability.

Yeah we all would love to see that!  Over the weekend gather up 50 guys and tell them you are going to inject them with their own semen... or if that proves difficult, an easier way would be to donate to NORD... bc that'll likey be the 1st thing the researcher does :)

To answer your question on why we can't cure ourselves through enough sexual activity although desensitization does.... it's because your body reacts allergically to the semen.  Only when your semen is very highly diluted can the body figure out how to defend against it.  The dilution is lowered each time you receive a desensitization treatment until eventually the body can fight the semen at full strength.

Lastly, you wrote that your POIS only lasts a day now, compared to 2 weeks a while back.  I must have missed your posts where you explained what you did that has helped your pois.  Can you re-explain pls?

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« Reply #14501 on: 01/09/2011 08:29:20 »
So does that just about settle the fact that this is an allergy rather than a 'Mental' thing?

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« Reply #14502 on: 01/09/2011 15:26:15 »
Hello Itsthatskater and Everyone,

There is just no question -- NONE!! POIS is not caused by a psychiatric problem, too much masturbating, too much porn, blah, blah, blah!! 

I know that I am not the expert -- this is certain!! But it's obvious (should be blatantly obvious!) that the psychiatric/emotional wounds that accompany POIS (including that horrible "brain fog") is a result, not the cause, of POIS.

I would list for you just a sampling of disorders, both rare and common, where awful psychiatric symptoms are part of the presentation of the REAL physical disorder. But that list would be so long that it would be a waste of space and your time.

Obviously part of the depression and despair that accompanies POIS is the direct result of the isolation and the utter need for drastic altering of life style that POIS requires.  However -- that's a normal reaction!! Humans are naturally meant to be sexual creatures -- how else would the species survive if not for sex!!??

It's possible that some with POIS also watch quite a bit of porn. Means NOTHING (unless it's getting in the way of your life, job, etc).

I hope I haven't come on too strong here or offended anyone.  POIS is a physical condition --and a GENUINE NIGHTMARE that most of the public does not yet even know about. You men have got to do what you can to change that lack of awareness.

Keep the research donations coming in!!!  That's where your answer lies -- in basic, solid research.  $5.00, or $5,000 -- every single dollar is PRECIOUS and will bring you all one step closer to the end of POIS suffering!





So does that just about settle the fact that this is an allergy rather than a 'Mental' thing?
So does that just about settle the fact that this is an allergy rather than a 'Mental' thing?
So does that just about settle the fact that this is an allergy rather than a 'Mental' thing?

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« Reply #14503 on: 01/09/2011 15:28:52 »
Hm, I am still asking why a previously known allergic reaction to semen in both men and women has never been connected with symptoms most of us experience, until now.

Does it mean other sufferers with reactions like itching, hives and even anaphylaxis experience different type of allergy than we do?

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« Reply #14504 on: 01/09/2011 16:50:50 »

So does that just about settle the fact that this is an allergy rather than a 'Mental' thing?


Allergy: not yet settled

Mental: settled! POIS is N O T 'Mental'!!!!!!!

Thank you for closing that chapter of The Book Of POIS.
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« Reply #14505 on: 01/09/2011 16:55:41 »


Hello Itsthatskater and Everyone,

There is just no question -- NONE!! POIS is not caused by a psychiatric problem, too much masturbating, too much porn, blah, blah, blah!! 

I know that I am not the expert -- this is certain!! But it's obvious (should be blatantly obvious!) that the psychiatric/emotional wounds that accompany POIS (including that horrible "brain fog") is a result, not the cause, of POIS.

I would list for you just a sampling of disorders, both rare and common, where awful psychiatric symptoms are part of the presentation of the REAL physical disorder. But that list would be so long that it would be a waste of space and your time.

Obviously part of the depression and despair that accompanies POIS is the direct result of the isolation and the utter need for drastic altering of life style that POIS requires.  However -- that's a normal reaction!! Humans are naturally meant to be sexual creatures -- how else would the species survive if not for sex!!??

It's possible that some with POIS also watch quite a bit of porn. Means NOTHING (unless it's getting in the way of your life, job, etc).

I hope I haven't come on too strong here or offended anyone.  POIS is a physical condition --and a GENUINE NIGHTMARE that most of the public does not yet even know about. You men have got to do what you can to change that lack of awareness.

Keep the research donations coming in!!!  That's where your answer lies -- in basic, solid research.  $5.00, or $5,000 -- every single dollar is PRECIOUS and will bring you all one step closer to the end of POIS suffering!





So does that just about settle the fact that this is an allergy rather than a 'Mental' thing?
So does that just about settle the fact that this is an allergy rather than a 'Mental' thing?
So does that just about settle the fact that this is an allergy rather than a 'Mental' thing?

ONCE AGAIN, STEFANIE, I JUST CAN'T THANK YOU ENOUGH FOR YOUR DESPERATELY NEEDED INPUT HERE!!!




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« Reply #14506 on: 01/09/2011 17:44:17 »
I tried 200mg niacin and the flush was way worse than 300mg xanthinol nicotinate, but what scared me was the way it spiked my heart rate. 
I will advice people to try xanthinol nicotinate instead of niacin if they are going to try niacin start low and build up.  My heart rate level was once again scary.

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« Reply #14507 on: 01/09/2011 18:54:03 »



CC, many thanks for your very valuable input!



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« Reply #14508 on: 01/09/2011 21:03:05 »
Just a reminder...

Our new POIS Forum - architectural genius: "daveman" - for detailed subject-by-subject discussion!
http://www.POISCenter.com/forums/index.php

Our 4-year-old POIS thread here at Naked Science Forum will also always remain open for newcomers, for general unstructured discussion, and historical research of the 10,000+ postings here since 2007.


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« Reply #14509 on: 01/09/2011 21:21:14 »
Yeah we all would love to see that!  Over the weekend gather up 50 guys and tell them you are going to inject them with their own semen...

Sounds like a joke right?  But that'd make me a believer.

Lastly, you wrote that your POIS only lasts a day now, compared to 2 weeks a while back.  I must have missed your posts where you explained what you did that has helped your pois.  Can you re-explain pls?

I can say that general sexual abstinence would be the #1 culprit into healing me to only a day.  And sometimes I don't even get POIS after an orgasm.  Other times I do though and can definitely feel it.  I would say when I do get it it lasts anywhere from 12-18 hours for my brain to "adjust".  Today I O'd twice and currently have no POIS mental symptoms.  But it is so much better than living with a 2 week pois.  id say 25x better.  I test out random things also, mainly foods, no drugs.  This week I've been trying out jalapenos :o  But I can't really single it out to a single thing, because I've actually dealt with POIS for about 3 years and tried many concoctions.  I think just being as abstinent as possible for those 3 years has really helped in reducing the symptoms.  I have "O'd" on average about once every week and a half.  I also try to eat healthy have good hygiene... you know the general "health".  I try to sleep on time but lately i have not.

My theory is either hormonal or allergy.  I've said that i have had POIS ever since I had gotten acne... but others say they have no acne and still have pois  [:-'(]                [:o)]
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« Reply #14510 on: 01/09/2011 21:32:17 »
Hello Itsthatskater and Everyone,

There is just no question -- NONE!! POIS is not caused by a psychiatric problem, too much masturbating, too much porn, blah, blah, blah!! 

I know that I am not the expert -- this is certain!! But it's obvious (should be blatantly obvious!) that the psychiatric/emotional wounds that accompany POIS (including that horrible "brain fog") is a result, not the cause, of POIS.

I would list for you just a sampling of disorders, both rare and common, where awful psychiatric symptoms are part of the presentation of the REAL physical disorder. But that list would be so long that it would be a waste of space and your time.

Obviously part of the depression and despair that accompanies POIS is the direct result of the isolation and the utter need for drastic altering of life style that POIS requires.  However -- that's a normal reaction!! Humans are naturally meant to be sexual creatures -- how else would the species survive if not for sex!!??

It's possible that some with POIS also watch quite a bit of porn. Means NOTHING (unless it's getting in the way of your life, job, etc).

I hope I haven't come on too strong here or offended anyone.  POIS is a physical condition --and a GENUINE NIGHTMARE that most of the public does not yet even know about. You men have got to do what you can to change that lack of awareness.

Keep the research donations coming in!!!  That's where your answer lies -- in basic, solid research.  $5.00, or $5,000 -- every single dollar is PRECIOUS and will bring you all one step closer to the end of POIS suffering!





So does that just about settle the fact that this is an allergy rather than a 'Mental' thing?
So does that just about settle the fact that this is an allergy rather than a 'Mental' thing?
So does that just about settle the fact that this is an allergy rather than a 'Mental' thing?

Exactly, POIS is not in the head.  I have friends who watch porn daily and who "O" 3x daily and they do not have POIS.  Porn has nothing to do with it, only adds guilt if it does anything.  POIS is not a "guilty" feeling or a wrong way of thinking, its some sort of physical reaction within the brain that causes you to behave the way you do and feel the way you do.  Its the result that accompanies our orgasm, which is very terrible.  It's just not a "thinkable" disease.  Just like a stomach virus is not in your head, its in your stomach, literally, the same for POIS.

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« Reply #14511 on: 01/09/2011 21:45:34 »



Using advanced photogrammetric techniques, the CIA recently donated to this forum a composite pictograph of the POIS sufferer (in POIS)!!! A rare research find!!
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« Reply #14512 on: 01/09/2011 23:47:37 »
Here's one from Yahoo! from our very own Vincent Marcus!
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20110829161941AAQBF9J

Open Question: Has anyone used chaste berry (Vitex) to reduce their sex drive?

Did it work? I have post orgasmic illness syndrome and after every orgasm (yes even including nocturnal emissions...) I am in physical/mental pain for days so I really need to find a way to reduce my frequency of orgasms.

Asked by  Vincent Marcus 3 days ago 1 day left to answer.
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« Reply #14513 on: 02/09/2011 00:14:42 »
So, today i tried again 100mg Niacin and i had an O. 1 hour later. I was afraid to try 200mg because first i want to be comfortable with 100mg. I noticed a flush in my ears.

Niacin seemed to help with my scalp tenderness and headache after the O. This time my worst symptom was my stomach area. It's in the left abdomen, and immediately after having an O. it gets bloated and hurts. It's like having an stomach migraine or "abdominal migraine". I hate it  [>:(]

Can anyone confirm this abdominal pain and bloating? Specially in the left area?

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« Reply #14514 on: 02/09/2011 04:13:25 »
Here's one from Yahoo! from our very own Vincent Marcus!
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20110829161941AAQBF9J

Open Question: Has anyone used chaste berry (Vitex) to reduce their sex drive?

Did it work? I have post orgasmic illness syndrome and after every orgasm (yes even including nocturnal emissions...) I am in physical/mental pain for days so I really need to find a way to reduce my frequency of orgasms.

Asked by  Vincent Marcus 3 days ago 1 day left to answer.
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VM - before I found the POIS website, I thought my shitty feeling after orgasm was caused by too much Prolactin.  So I started taking Vitex.  I took it for about a month.  I can't recall if it had any effect on my sex drive, but it did not help my pois as far as I could tell. 

Saw Palmetto did help reduce my sex drive.  As long as I did not miss a day of taking the pill, my urges reduced SIGNIFICANTLY.  Give that a try and let us know if it helps. 
« Last Edit: 02/09/2011 04:22:53 by B_Daniel »
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« Reply #14515 on: 02/09/2011 04:29:38 »
Does anyone, when recovering from POIS, get a really bad migraine that feels like brain juice is going back into the head. 

Does anyone elses stool become softer/bloody at times when on POIS? 

Does anyone else get whiteheads when on POIS pretty much without fail?

Just the symptoms I get that I haven't read anyone else have.

 

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« Reply #14516 on: 02/09/2011 08:16:12 »
Does anyone, when recovering from POIS, get a really bad migraine that feels like brain juice is going back into the head.  

When I do get POIS, that's sort of how it is.  I become all hot/irritable, feels like my brain is filtering something from the back of my head than towards the front.

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« Reply #14517 on: 02/09/2011 13:29:19 »
I've taken ginkgo biloba pills three times recently and I've noticed mild improvement in concentration and mental energy the hours following taking the pills. Each time I was about ready to take a nap to fend off my mental exhaustion, but after taking the pills I was able to stay awake for the remaining hours and fall asleep with no trouble at my usual bed time. I feel it may have had a slight anxiety-reducing effect as well.

The first time I took a single 120mg pill around late noon and the only thing I noticed was that I didn't feel tired anymore. The second time I took three 120mg pills and 2 hrs later I easily noticed an improvement in my ability to focus as well as slightly reduced anxiety, however I also noticed a faint swelling feeling in my head as if I had a small headache although it was painless. The third time I took two pills and noticed the same effects, but with less of the odd swelling feeling. There were a few days in between each trial. Also I'm still taking fenugreek + garlic every morning.

Next I'll try a single pill again to see if I missed the other positive effects the first time. I'll report back to let you guys know if repeated trials yield the same results for me.
How much time does niacin work before you got back to your POIS state ?
And you're taking niacin during your constant POIS state (far from O), isn't it ?
Good luck.
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« Reply #14518 on: 02/09/2011 16:01:42 »
Saw Palmetto did help reduce my sex drive.  As long as I did not miss a day of taking the pill, my urges reduced SIGNIFICANTLY.  Give that a try and let us know if it helps. 

I've been taking one 540mg saw palmetto capsule the last three days. I've noticed that my testicles are larger and less tender also having bowel movements is much less painful (since usually my anus is very sore, may have hemorrhoids) and my urethra isn't sore after taking the pill in the morning.

I can't tell yet if it has reduced my sex drive, but I'll keep my eye out for it.
Taking fenugreek+tea/garlic, saw palmetto, huperzine, niacin, boswellia, and nutmeg.

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« Reply #14519 on: 02/09/2011 17:12:34 »
@apostate801 & Quasar:
I recognise the swelling in abdominal area in pois. Also creation of gas.
Also softer stools & itching, eczema and psoriasis in the an*s area, which has in the past lead to (little) bleeding as well. So, the blood is actually from the skin at the a*us area and then hits the stool. Please check this. Blood in the stool can mean big trouble like cancer, so if you feel uncomfortable see a doctor about this. Also when your skin is bleeding you can see a dermatologist, Mine gave me hydrocortisone cream to heal the skin at the a*us area (it didn't heal out of pois, so needed the medication).

I've had migraines in the past on day 4 /5, but very rare (very minor symptom). I think this was caused by dehydration (I also get dry skin and increased thirst in pois).
Thankfully no whiteheads (just looked up a pic on the internet), but I've seen very small red spots in POIS (very minor symptom).
« Last Edit: 02/09/2011 17:20:47 by rock27 »
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« Reply #14520 on: 02/09/2011 17:40:11 »
People,

please don't forget there is another pois-forum (supported and created by this community), where we can discuss in topics (instead of in one long thread).

http://www.poiscenter.com/forums/index.php [nofollow]

Please have a look.

Rocky
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« Reply #14521 on: 02/09/2011 19:45:11 »

People,

please don't forget there is another pois-forum (supported and created by this community), where we can discuss in topics (instead of in one long thread).

http://www.poiscenter.com/forums/index.php

Please have a look.

Rocky



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« Reply #14522 on: 02/09/2011 19:59:41 »
Is Vandemolen still around? I haven't read any posts from him in a while... especially interesting are his updates on the desensitization he was getting at Dr Waldinger's!

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« Reply #14523 on: 02/09/2011 20:01:44 »
A question to the veterans on this forum:

can we dismiss POIS as not being a sort of candida/yeast infection??

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« Reply #14524 on: 02/09/2011 20:16:32 »
"Niacin-induced “Flush” Involves Release of Prostaglandin D2
from Mast Cells and Serotonin from Platelets: Evidence
from Human Cells in Vitro and an Animal Model"

http://jpet.aspetjournals.org/content/327/3/665.full.pdf

Seems interesting !

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« Reply #14525 on: 02/09/2011 21:25:41 »
A question to the veterans on this forum:

can we dismiss POIS as not being a sort of candida/yeast infection??

Yeah, a year or two ago I went to the doctors and we discussed the possibility of candida and POIS.  He said the two wouldn't be connected at all.  candida wouldn't cause those feelings.

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« Reply #14526 on: 02/09/2011 21:34:54 »
A question to the veterans on this forum:

can we dismiss POIS as not being a sort of candida/yeast infection??

I have considered this too. 3 years ago I was on a strict anti-Candida diet for 3 months. No change at all. So, candida and pois? Negative.
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« Reply #14527 on: 02/09/2011 21:43:18 »
Is Vandemolen still around? I haven't read any posts from him in a while... especially interesting are his updates on the desensitization he was getting at Dr Waldinger's!

I got this message from him:
I am fine. Thanks. I feel relief. I think I have 40 % less symptoms. Now I have only 2 days of POIS. Before the therapy 4 days. Now day 1 is like how day 2 used to be. And day 2 is like day 4.
I am now on 1/70 of dillution. Next Thursday I will have a 1/50 shot. And about 6 weeks I will be on the maximum: 1/20. Then the relief should go faster.

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« Reply #14528 on: 02/09/2011 21:54:03 »
not
 starting argument about whether semen allergy is cause of pois just cyting evidence about what the immune system can do to the body and brain.  sjogren's syndrome is an auto immune diesease that causes fatigue and some mental sysmptoms we poisers get. And supposedly serena williams has it.


What are the symptoms? The two classic hallmarks of Sjögren's syndrome are dry eyes that feel itchy or gritty, as if there’s sand in them, and a dry cottony mouth that makes it hard to swallow. Other symptoms include joint pain, swelling or stiffness, swollen salivary glands (particularly the ones behind the jaw and in front of the ears), dry nose or nosebleeds, heartburn, brain fog (trouble concentrating or remembering), tooth decay, abnormal liver function, numbness or tingling in the hands and feet, extreme fatigue, skin rashes, vaginal dryness, persistent bronchitis, pneumonia or lung disease, reports the Sjögren's Syndrome Foundation.

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« Reply #14529 on: 02/09/2011 22:07:20 »
Is Vandemolen still around? I haven't read any posts from him in a while... especially interesting are his updates on the desensitization he was getting at Dr Waldinger's!

I got this message from him:
I am fine. Thanks. I feel relief. I think I have 40 % less symptoms. Now I have only 2 days of POIS. Before the therapy 4 days. Now day 1 is like how day 2 used to be. And day 2 is like day 4.
I am now on 1/70 of dillution. Next Thursday I will have a 1/50 shot. And about 6 weeks I will be on the maximum: 1/20. Then the relief should go faster.


In light of these great results by vandemolen, those of you still looking for doctors to do semen allergy shouldnt give up.  Within my small state i have found two doctors that are willing to do the therapy. One of them changed his mind though because of distance but another one has agreed to do it (hopefully he dosnt change his mind).

my advice for searching; 
check every nook and corner
try university hospital doctors
try independent doctors(the ones that have agreed to do it were independent doctors)
whenever i sent them messages: i included dr waldingers papers and other papers, my psychologist letter proving my mental symptoms, and results from dr bewtra in creighton university, and a sob letter discribing how pois is destroying my life and now you can  add proofs that it is helping others you know.

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« Reply #14530 on: 02/09/2011 23:01:52 »
So, today i tried again 100mg Niacin and i had an O. 1 hour later. I was afraid to try 200mg because first i want to be comfortable with 100mg. I noticed a flush in my ears.

Niacin seemed to help with my scalp tenderness and headache after the O. This time my worst symptom was my stomach area. It's in the left abdomen, and immediately after having an O. it gets bloated and hurts. It's like having an stomach migraine or "abdominal migraine". I hate it  [>:(]

Can anyone confirm this abdominal pain and bloating? Specially in the left area?

Quasar, is this pain in the stomach new, just with the Niacin?

I often get pains in the abdomen, I have the feeling they originate in the lower abdomen area (above and to the side of the prostate) with reflections that appear higher up. In my case they're mostly on the right.

How does Murphey do it??

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« Reply #14531 on: 02/09/2011 23:54:58 »
Even here in Chile believe it or not CCconfucious there is a doctor doing desensitization. For any Chileans, send me a PM and I can get you the information.

Looking for Niacin is a nother situation. I found a 300mg gel cap with Vitamin C. They say that this is ALL there is made here in Chile. Sounds like a rare bird. Didn't buy it yet, it cost 20 bucks for 60 capsules. 300 mg is a lot and being a gel cap, it might be hard to divide. If it where dividable, it would be 180 doses. Still kind of expensive.

And I don't know what effect Vit C would have. Probably none negative.

I'm going to see if there is some other make.

 
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« Reply #14532 on: 03/09/2011 00:59:31 »

POIS Research Fund Total: $2835

AND RISING

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« Reply #14533 on: 03/09/2011 01:12:58 »
emi_b found this, searching the Internet:


Name: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome "POIS": Case report

Authors:
Abdalla M Attia*, Magda H Al-Ziny, Hossam A Yasien
*Corresponding author: Andrology Unit, Minoufiya University, Shibin El Kom, Eygpt

For more info, check out emi_b's  SMF POIS thread:
http://poiscenter.com/forums/index.php?topic=191.0;topicseen


THANK YOU, EMI_B!
« Last Edit: 03/09/2011 01:16:01 by demografx »

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« Reply #14534 on: 03/09/2011 03:03:56 »
I think im going to take 5 Hour energy tomorrow to see how it helps, Quite a bit of niacin in there too.

Am i the only lucky soul on this site who only gets POIS 24-48 hours?
« Last Edit: 03/09/2011 03:08:24 by Itsthatskater »

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« Reply #14535 on: 03/09/2011 07:56:53 »
Hello,

I just saw this disease on the news.

newbielink:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mLsTMq2OZx0&feature=BFa&list=SL&lf=list_related [nonactive]

(The clip talks about the disease at 35:46)

and I couldn't help to notice that it seems like the disease is related to the semen of the males (at least in some cases). Anyway, I (also a male) discovered male multiple orgams a while back, which are non-ejaculatory. I couldn't help to think that this might help at least in some case of POIS.

Now, I do not suffer from POIS myself, however when I learned of the disease, I instantly asked myself if non-ejaculatory orgams could be an answer (at least in part) to the problem.

Would it or has it been?



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« Reply #14536 on: 03/09/2011 09:23:09 »
I get POIS from excitement all alone.
Different hypothesis :
- i'm allergic to my pre seminal fluid (that doesn't exclude the possibility of being allergic to my sperm)
- excitement trigger sperm mixing, that could be eliminated later in urine
- this is not an allergy

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« Reply #14537 on: 03/09/2011 09:53:16 »
Did someone tried the Scrotal Tug? I noticed when i pull my testicles away from body i get any pois the day after. I tried it with XN and i felt great but now i didnt make it, just XN and i feel pois :/

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« Reply #14538 on: 03/09/2011 11:27:28 »
I get POIS from excitement all alone.
Different hypothesis :
- i'm allergic to my pre seminal fluid (that doesn't exclude the possibility of being allergic to my sperm)
- excitement trigger sperm mixing, that could be eliminated later in urine
- this is not an allergy

Well, take a look at this quote: “They didn’t feel ill when they masturbated without ejaculating…, but as soon as the semen came from the testes …they became ill, sometimes within a few minutes.”, which is exactly, what Dr. Waldinger said and what was paraphrased in various articles.

It is counterintuitive for me to think, that an isolated sexual fantasy or getting an arousal would cause allergic reaction rather than physical masturbation (which is induced by sexual desire) without ejaculation itself.

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« Reply #14539 on: 03/09/2011 12:59:33 »
I get POIS from excitement all alone.
Different hypothesis :
- i'm allergic to my pre seminal fluid (that doesn't exclude the possibility of being allergic to my sperm)
- excitement trigger sperm mixing, that could be eliminated later in urine
- this is not an allergy

Well, take a look at this quote: “They didn’t feel ill when they masturbated without ejaculating…, but as soon as the semen came from the testes …they became ill, sometimes within a few minutes.”, which is exactly, what Dr. Waldinger said and what was paraphrased in various articles.

It is counterintuitive for me to think, that an isolated sexual fantasy or getting an arousal would cause allergic reaction rather than physical masturbation (which is induced by sexual desire) without ejaculation itself.
I don't think that thoughts can trigger an allergy.

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« Reply #14540 on: 03/09/2011 13:03:39 »
It is counterintuitive for me to think, that an isolated sexual fantasy or getting an arousal would cause allergic reaction rather than physical masturbation (which is induced by sexual desire) without ejaculation itself.

When I'm aroused I usually don't get POIS, however if there's precum I will get a light version of POIS. Sometimes when I think I quit just in time, I still get POIS, so not really sure what's happening down there. Maybe some precum already left the shelter and is causing the problems, but not visisble to yourself yet (it is still inside the p****). Sometimes when I get symptoms and then check 15 minutes later I can feel at the top of my P**** that there is some precum I didn't notice before.

So to conclude, I think distinction between ejaculation and no ejaculation is too easy, should include precum.
In regards to thoughts of excitement leading to pois, I think this is because of precum. And because precum is not always easy visible to pois-ers, those pois-ers think it was just the thoughts, but it was not. My theory.
« Last Edit: 03/09/2011 13:07:03 by rock27 »
POIS, fatigue, brain fog, can't find words, irritated, can't concentrate.

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« Reply #14541 on: 03/09/2011 14:01:58 »
I don't think that thoughts can trigger an allergy.

Yes and that's the whole point. Even if the thought itself activated some physiological processes resulting in an autoimmune response, it is clear, that this would happened during masturbation without ejaculating as well. But Dr. Waldinger claims, that masturbation without ejaculating does not bring POIS.

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« Reply #14542 on: 03/09/2011 14:02:22 »
I don't think that thoughts can trigger an allergy.

It has been found that in people with multi-personality disorder, they will test positive allergic to a substance in one personality, and negative to the same substance when in their other personality.

Many doctors/medicine in general are now moving away from the old Newtonian physics that drugs are the answer to chronic problems, and more towards the quantum physics way of thinking that, the mind and energy fields are the key to chronic illness, if watch you the whole of the living matrix you'll get the idea, which is why NLP & reiki etc are good for chronic illhealth.
The Living Matrix http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bl2DiT6jg88

Anyways, it has been known since 1899 that everybody are probably allergic to their semen.

1899-1900 Sperm recognized as immunogenic (will cause an autoimmune reaction if transplanted from the testis into a different area of the body) by Lansteiner (1899) and Metchinikoff, (1900)
Immune privilege in the testis
Sperm are immunogenic - that is they will cause an autoimmune reaction if transplanted from the testis into a different part of the body. This has been demonstrated in experiments using rats by Lansteiner (1899) and Metchinikoff (1900) , mice and guinea pigs . The likely reason for this is that sperm first mature at puberty, after immune tolerance is established, therefore the body recognizes them as foreign and mounts an immune reaction against them. Since sperm do not die in the testis, mechanisms for their protection must exist in this organ. The blood-testis barrier is likely to contribute to the survival of sperm. However, it is believed in the field of testicular immunology that the blood-testis barrier cannot account for all immune suppression in the testis, due to (1) its incompleteness at a region called the rete testis and (2) the presence of immunogenic molecules outside the blood-testis barrier, on the surface of spermatogonia . Another mechanism which is likely to protect sperm is the suppression of immune responses in the testis . Both the suppression of immune responses and the increased survival of grafts in the testis have led to its recognition as an immunologically privileged site. Other immunologically privileged sites include the eye, brain and uterus.

http://www.reference.com/browse/testicular+immunology
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« Reply #14543 on: 03/09/2011 14:44:28 »
So, today i tried again 100mg Niacin and i had an O. 1 hour later. I was afraid to try 200mg because first i want to be comfortable with 100mg. I noticed a flush in my ears.

Niacin seemed to help with my scalp tenderness and headache after the O. This time my worst symptom was my stomach area. It's in the left abdomen, and immediately after having an O. it gets bloated and hurts. It's like having an stomach migraine or "abdominal migraine". I hate it  [>:(]

Can anyone confirm this abdominal pain and bloating? Specially in the left area?

Quasar, is this pain in the stomach new, just with the Niacin?

I often get pains in the abdomen, I have the feeling they originate in the lower abdomen area (above and to the side of the prostate) with reflections that appear higher up. In my case they're mostly on the right.



Daveman, it's not new. I always get abdominal pain and bloating after having an O. Niacin seemed to help a little with the scalp and headache, but it didn't help with the stomach pain.

In fact, there's a condition called "abodminal migraine", because the stomach also has neurotransmitters and is connected to the brain.

The pain is in the center of the stomach and the left side, behind the ribs. I can feel more pain if i press that area. It gets quite bloated.

I ALWAYS get it with Pois. And it's always the same kind of pain.

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« Reply #14544 on: 03/09/2011 16:11:15 »
Even here in Chile believe it or not CCconfucious there is a doctor doing desensitization. For any Chileans, send me a PM and I can get you the information.

Looking for Niacin is a nother situation. I found a 300mg gel cap with Vitamin C. They say that this is ALL there is made here in Chile. Sounds like a rare bird. Didn't buy it yet, it cost 20 bucks for 60 capsules. 300 mg is a lot and being a gel cap, it might be hard to divide. If it where dividable, it would be 180 doses. Still kind of expensive.

And I don't know what effect Vit C would have. Probably none negative.

I'm going to see if there is some other make.

 

Now that is what i call hope. are you going to see him or is he to far away.
why cant you order niacin of online.


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« Reply #14545 on: 03/09/2011 17:14:27 »
I don't think that thoughts can trigger an allergy.

Yes and that's the whole point. Even if the thought itself activated some physiological processes resulting in an autoimmune response, it is clear, that this would happened during masturbation without ejaculating as well. But Dr. Waldinger claims, that masturbation without ejaculating does not bring POIS.

Dr. Waldinger isn't the only one involved in the studies. The Dr. Waldinger studies are potentially not complete but that doesn't rule out his hypothesis. One can have an allery (autoimmune response ) to semen or a component of it, so in some cases it may be sperm and in others it may be some protien of semen. All elements of semen are NORMALLY pretected by the blood barrier. If that barrier is somehow breached any one of several components could enter into autoimmune processes.

There is more than one very respected doctor working on solid proposals for this hypothesis.

For those of you who are new to the forum, be advised that JRD advocates a line of unsupported logic inconducive to advancement of the POIS cause.



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« Reply #14546 on: 03/09/2011 18:08:51 »
I get POIS from excitement all alone.
Different hypothesis :
- i'm allergic to my pre seminal fluid (that doesn't exclude the possibility of being allergic to my sperm)
- excitement trigger sperm mixing, that could be eliminated later in urine
- this is not an allergy

Well, take a look at this quote: “They didn’t feel ill when they masturbated without ejaculating…, but as soon as the semen came from the testes …they became ill, sometimes within a few minutes.”, which is exactly, what Dr. Waldinger said and what was paraphrased in various articles.

It is counterintuitive for me to think, that an isolated sexual fantasy or getting an arousal would cause allergic reaction rather than physical masturbation (which is induced by sexual desire) without ejaculation itself.
I don't think that thoughts can trigger an allergy.

It doesn't seem logical at all! But one is not allergic to the thought! One is allergic to other components which can be stimulated by the thought. Even the theory that withdrawl mechanisms or psychological influences can produce imbalances implies that thoughts alone can produce powerful negative effect to the body.

But, this forum has completely accepted that POIS is NOT a psychosomatic illness. It hasn't completely accepted that it is an autoimmune based illness, but every day there is more and more compelling evidence which even demostrates a very real support for heavy cognitive effects as a result of key neurotransmitter depletion caused by consumtion of precursors involved in their production. See: http://poiscenter.com/forums/index.php?topic=197.0

And important researchers in the field, have even demostrated that conditions such as Chronic Fatigue Syndrome, and likewise it can be shown Sexual Exhaustion, are byproducts of the autoimmune beating imposed by POIS, rather than causes of our malidy in themselves.

How does Murphey do it??

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« Reply #14547 on: 03/09/2011 18:44:49 »
Powdered Niacin Report.

I've tried to use manually powdered Niacin Acid tablets this time. The dose was 200mg. After taking powdered niacin the flush happened in 5 minutes. Interesting enough that this time I felt also the second wave of flush, about in 20 mins. The O happened in 25 minutes after taking niacin. No POIS symptoms at the first and second day. Powdered niacin felt like a better solution for the stomach compared to non-powdered version - no negative feelings about it in the stomach area.

Warning! Niacin in high doses might make a damage to your liver, please consult with your doctor before trying to take it.

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« Reply #14548 on: 03/09/2011 20:16:53 »
In fact i think my stomach issue with Pois is getting worse, because lately besides the discomfort and bloating, i also experience some numbness in my belly and stomach area. It's like the kind of scary numbness that you get when you can't feel your hand, you know? It lasts few minutes and goes away, but it may give a clue of what's happening.

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« Reply #14549 on: 04/09/2011 02:38:22 »
I just wanted to say that lately i have been taking no vitamins whatsoever and I actually feel a lot better than I have been while I was on vitamins, this led me to stop taking vitamins completely.  I used to take vitamin B and calcium magnesium a lot, and all I can say that I think it really screws up your system.  Its like your body expects to get that vitamin in a pill and instead of a constant flow of it, its more of of huge spike, than a low opposite affect.  This is just my perspective because I feel a lot better not taking any vitamins.