Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)

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« Reply #1500 on: 10/10/2008 03:32:13 »
Okay, okay Demografx--When I say "libido" I mean both healthy available sexual energy AND post-orgasmic recuperative abilities...  Capish? Sometimes it just takes too much time to SPELL OUT ALL the details when you're in hurry to write-up a posting. Also, I think what is good for overall ENDOCRINE health will most likely be good for POIS. That's my story, and I'm sticking to it!   [:)]
Okay, okay girlwind. I disagree (re endocrine - not proven, but Okay. [:)]

Actually, Demografx: here's a question. So why haven't we all explored this endocrine issue more, on our
own? Since we haven't yet been able to get outside help, wouldn't it be a good idea for everyone to get some
concrete data (as in diagnostic tests) done to see what is off?

In MY case I had a BUNCH of endocrine imbalances: thyroid being the obvious worst; but also estrogen, one of cortisols,
and DHEA weren't great either. This is why I am fairly SURE my POIS is in fact endocrine related. And the more I read
about thyroid and adrenal exhaustion the more I am convinced of it. Check out this partial list of thyroid symptoms:
fatigue, depression, brain fog, low libido, constipation, weight gain, low body temp--feeling cold, weakness and tired-
ness, high cholesterol, brittle finger nails, easy bruising, muscle and joint aches, visual problems, lowered immunity
with more infections. A LOT OF THESE SYMPTOMS are complaints people have with POIS!

Anyway, endocrine balancing is where I'm headed. I know in my gut I'm on the right track.

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« Reply #1501 on: 10/10/2008 03:38:06 »
...he (MD PhD) is planning a full fledged research investigation, which I think will probably start within the next two months.
Great news, Counterpoints.

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« Reply #1502 on: 10/10/2008 03:38:41 »
girlwind (or anyone else, please jump in), I have a question for you. Do you have any theory or knowledge if some of the components in Levitra (PDE5 inhibitors), which works extremely well for my POIS, has any similarity to some of the things we're exploring? (iodine, garlic, protein, etc.)? My guess is that it would probably take a chemist's background to know.

According to my nutritionist wizard friend, Levitra increases nitric oxide production. According to wikipedia:

"Nitric oxide, known as the 'endothelium-derived relaxing factor', or 'EDRF', is biosynthesised endogenously from
arginine and oxygen by various nitric oxide synthase (NOS) enzymes and by reduction of inorganic nitrate. The
endothelium (inner lining) of blood vessels use nitric oxide to signal the surrounding smooth muscle to relax,
thus resulting in vasodilation and increasing blood flow. Nitric oxide is highly reactive (having a lifetime of a few
seconds), yet diffuses freely across membranes. These attributes make nitric oxide ideal for a transient signal
molecule between adjacent cells and within cells.[8] The production of nitric oxide is elevated in populations living
at high-altitudes, which helps these people avoid hypoxia. Effects include blood vessel dilatation, neurotransmission
(see Gasotransmitters), modulation of the hair cycle, and penile erections."

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« Reply #1503 on: 10/10/2008 03:40:46 »
girlwind (or anyone else, please jump in), I have a question for you. Do you have any theory or knowledge if some of the components in Levitra (PDE5 inhibitors), which works extremely well for my POIS, has any similarity to some of the things we're exploring? (iodine, garlic, protein, etc.)? My guess is that it would probably take a chemist's background to know.

According to my nutritionist wizard friend, Levitra increases nitric oxide production. According to wikipedia:

"Nitric oxide, known as the 'endothelium-derived relaxing factor', or 'EDRF', is biosynthesised endogenously from
arginine and oxygen by various nitric oxide synthase (NOS) enzymes and by reduction of inorganic nitrate. The
endothelium (inner lining) of blood vessels use nitric oxide to signal the surrounding smooth muscle to relax,
thus resulting in vasodilation and increasing blood flow. Nitric oxide is highly reactive (having a lifetime of a few
seconds), yet diffuses freely across membranes. These attributes make nitric oxide ideal for a transient signal
molecule between adjacent cells and within cells.[8] The production of nitric oxide is elevated in populations living
at high-altitudes, which helps these people avoid hypoxia. Effects include blood vessel dilatation, neurotransmission
(see Gasotransmitters), modulation of the hair cycle, and penile erections."


This is something I mentioned in a previous post.  It's also worth noting the connection between this and imre1's potential heart condition.

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« Reply #1504 on: 10/10/2008 03:41:30 »
NOTICE:

I imagine many POIS sufferers read this forum without making any comments.  I hope you will find the information here useful, and I encourage you to contribute.  Most importantly, if you find something that helps you, or you are feeling better, PLEASE DO NOT JUST ABANDON THIS COMMUNITY WITHOUT SHARING THIS INFORMATION.  This is very self-centered, heartless behavior.

It would be a good thing if people shared what has helped them, but accusations will be turn off to others. I would cut
that last sentence, if I were you.

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« Reply #1505 on: 10/10/2008 03:45:03 »
NOTICE:

I imagine many POIS sufferers read this forum without making any comments.  I hope you will find the information here useful, and I encourage you to contribute.  Most importantly, if you find something that helps you, or you are feeling better, PLEASE DO NOT JUST ABANDON THIS COMMUNITY WITHOUT SHARING THIS INFORMATION.  This is very self-centered, heartless behavior.

It would be a good thing if people shared what has helped them, but accusations will be turn off to others. I would cut
that last sentence, if I were you.

Such suggestions, where you quote the post in question, are more appropriately made through private message.  I also stand by the claim that abandoning a situation where you could potentially save hundreds of lives is self-centered.  It's not an accusation.  I'm not saying anyone has done that.  To clarify, I also don't think this is something someone would do to be deliberately malicious.  The idea is likely to escape from any association, and nothing else is particularly considered.  But in doing so, you are potentially allowing hundreds of people to undergo unnecessary and excruciating agony for decades.  The opportunity to greatly help so many people is rare, and it shouldn't be wasted.  Let us get better with you :) -- and if you must leave, at least make some mention of what helped you before doing so.  This isn't meant to come across as harsh.  It's something I feel needs to be said. 

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« Reply #1506 on: 10/10/2008 04:00:39 »
So why haven't we all explored this endocrine issue more, on our own?

girlwind, that's why I posted about Levitra and the endocrine system. Without an understanding that there is a relationship, why would I? Levitra has had the most incredibly dramatic, profound and positive effect on me.

...A LOT OF THESE SYMPTOMS are complaints people have with POIS!

I know you disagree with my previous psychiatrist, but he was convinced that my symptoms were that of CFS. Even if his understanding is wrong, as you pointed out, I'm sure you would agree that POIS shares characteristics with many other illnesses.


Anyway, endocrine balancing is where I'm headed. I know in my gut I'm on the right track.

girlwind, most of us here agreed wholeheartedly(including me) to get a research endocrinologist on board here at the POIS Forum. Please don't take my comments as discouragement! I simply don't know at this stage, and I must admit I'm very much influenced by my "earthshaking" experience of Levitra, and I would just like to know if there is ANY relationship between that and the endocrine system before I personally see what is "off". If I didn't have my experience (and the resultant questioning) I would be rushing to do the tests. BUT I DON'T SPEAK FOR OTHERS. Levitra, for example, is meant for older males  (50+) with ED problems. Not the majority of this Forum, I'm sure!!
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« Reply #1507 on: 10/10/2008 04:04:02 »
Such suggestions, where you quote the post in question, are more appropriately made through private message.
I think criticisms of posts such as the above are much more appropriate in private message.

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« Reply #1508 on: 10/10/2008 04:22:56 »
So why haven't we all explored this endocrine issue more, on our own?

I know you disagree with my previous psychiatrist, but he was convinced that my symptoms were that of CFS. Even if his understanding is wrong, as you pointed out, I'm sure you would agree that POIS shares characteristics with many other illnesses.


"Dr. Dale Guyer estimates that more than 90 percent of his chronic fatigue syndrome patients also have an underlying
thyroid problem."

Dr. Jacob Teitelbaum, an expert in chronic fatigue syndrome, suggests that a major portion of the symptoms of CFS
are due to a poorly functioning glandular system.
If you read his book From Fatigued to Fantastic, you'll see
how much emphasis he puts on healing the endocrine glands.

I think most illnesses put excessive strain on the endocrine system, particularly the adrenals and thyroid, so that's why they
share those characteristics in common. But don't take my word for it, read up on it yourself. There is A LOT of good info.
out there, as I'm learning, and I am definitely in hot pursuit of it.

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« Reply #1509 on: 10/10/2008 04:34:53 »
girlwind, if something works for CFS, I'm not convinced it will work for POIS.

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« Reply #1510 on: 10/10/2008 04:43:56 »
girlwind, if something works for CFS, I'm not convinced it will work for POIS.

Okay then.

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« Reply #1511 on: 10/10/2008 05:28:16 »

According to my nutritionist wizard friend, Levitra increases nitric oxide production. According to wikipedia:

"Nitric oxide, known as the 'endothelium-derived relaxing factor', or 'EDRF', is biosynthesised endogenously...

This is something I mentioned in a previous post.  It's also worth noting the connection between this and imre1's potential heart condition.

Thanks much, Counterpoints!

Thanks, girlwind, sorry I asked again I couldn't remember where to look for your previous post!

And what was the connection to Imre1's condition?
« Last Edit: 10/10/2008 05:29:58 by demografx »

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« Reply #1512 on: 10/10/2008 05:47:21 »
NOTICE:

I imagine many POIS sufferers read this forum without making any comments.  I hope you will find the information here useful, and I encourage you to contribute.  Most importantly, if you find something that helps you, or you are feeling better, PLEASE DO NOT JUST ABANDON THIS COMMUNITY WITHOUT SHARING THIS INFORMATION.  This is very self-centered, meaningless and heartless behavior.  It won't help you, and it could unnecessarily cost us decades of severe agony.

Thank you, Counterpoints.

Just a short add-on, I would suggest that if you are uncomfortable posting your successes but are willing to share the info, just send one of us a private message and we will post it under our name and write that it was "contributed by an anonymous source". Many thanks.

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« Reply #1513 on: 10/10/2008 11:08:33 »
I can't imagine someone discovering something concrete and not reporting it, I don't see this as being a problem. At times you might not hear from me for a while as well, but I stay tuned and if I have anything to contribute you'll read it.

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« Reply #1514 on: 10/10/2008 16:16:42 »
I can't imagine someone discovering something concrete and not reporting it, I don't see this as being a problem. At times you might not hear from me for a while as well, but I stay tuned and if I have anything to contribute you'll read it.

John, I shouldn't speak for Counterpoints, but I think he's referring to lurkers, not to the vocal part of POIS forum such as you. You have been a steady and great contributor.

I'm glad you spoke up just in case others are confused as well about this!
« Last Edit: 10/10/2008 16:23:07 by demografx »

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« Reply #1515 on: 10/10/2008 18:28:41 »
Hey all,

I have actually had my blood checked recently, when I was feeling bad from POIS. I checked almost all the hormones that were on the list. I did this myself cos my doctor didn't want to do any more research, since he considered it to be 'in the head'. (you have to know in the Netherlands it's very uncommon and little known to actually order your own tests; unlike in the US).

Results outside the 'normal' range: T3 (too low; like Girlwind). This had not been tested previously by my Doc (he only tested TSH and T4 and said: normal). I read that when low on T3, you can actually have the same symptoms as when your TSH and T4 are abnormal. My TSH and T4 were considered normal, but reading the posts of Girlwind I should elaborate on those, 'cos then TSH is too high. And values like cortisol, testosteron are considered normal, but is that really true? They may be normal for 80 years old, but are they for me?

I filed my results at: pois.olympe-network.com     Please all folks, post your story and research here as well. You can read the stories of fellow sufferers there as well. Also, this can be used for research. Counterpoints for example is meeting a research scientist October 23rd and he will take with him the stories and test results to ask for advise and raise awareness.

I am also trying the garlic diet for 2 months now and avoiding sugar. It alleviates the terror. Just like some herbs I am taking to raise cortisol ( was diagnosed kidney yang deficiency by a homeopathist).
I will get more tests done (like free T3)and post my results. Also I will go to find a specialist in hormones.

Thanks everyone for sharing experiences and possible cures! It's something I could only hope for 12 years back when I first was sent away from the doctor. Internet didn't exist then. Back then I didn't have any information at all what to do. And now, reading the posts, it's hard to think that, with so many people doing research, we wouldn't find a solution eventually.
 

POIS, fatigue, brain fog, can't find words, irritated, can't concentrate.

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« Reply #1516 on: 10/10/2008 19:16:27 »
Hey all,

I have actually had my blood checked recently, when I was feeling bad from POIS. I checked almost all the hormones that were on the list. I did this myself cos my doctor didn't want to do any more research, since he considered it to be 'in the head'. (you have to know in the Netherlands it's very uncommon and little known to actually order your own tests; unlike in the US).

Results outside the 'normal' range: T3 (too low; like Girlwind). This had not been tested previously by my Doc (he only tested TSH and T4 and said: normal). I read that when low on T3, you can actually have the same symptoms as when your TSH and T4 are abnormal. My TSH and T4 were considered normal, but reading the posts of Girlwind I should elaborate on those, 'cos then TSH is too high. And values like cortisol, testosteron are considered normal, but is that really true? They may be normal for 80 years old, but are they for me?

Thank you rock27-- I'm glad someone besides me has taken an interest in hormone testing.
I hope your action inspires more people to do the same.

You see demografx--I"m not the only one here with a potential thyroid deficiency.
« Last Edit: 10/10/2008 19:30:04 by girlwind »

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« Reply #1517 on: 10/10/2008 19:17:12 »
Thanks so much for your post rock27! It is very helpful.

Also, to clarify, I wasn't accusing anyone of disappearing.  However, it is somewhat common for people to "run away" from all associations to a past illness when they have helped themselves, without thinking about it.  I wanted to emphasize the good such a person could do -- how much they could help so many people in great agony -- by providing some information about their recovery, before leaving.  

John, I think you and others have been extremely helpful and generous.  In fact, when imre1 felt he had treated his problems, and wanted to leave the forum, he first made a post about his solution. As a result, I have possibly saved my life with the same remedy.  I'm not completely recovered, but I am improving.
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« Reply #1518 on: 10/10/2008 19:51:47 »
Thanks Rock27. I will  make the tyroid test soon (TSH, T3 Free, T4 Free).

Study on garlic, proteins, hormones and adreanline.
http://jn.nutrition.org/cgi/content/full/131/8/2150

Wow! What a study! Thanks for posting this. I'm glad to see that there is actual research on the benefits of
garlic with a high protein diet. Too bad I'm not in need of testicular testosterone.  [:)] Plain old circulating
female testosterone will do for me.
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« Reply #1519 on: 10/10/2008 20:18:52 »
Just in case anyone wants to know, ZRT is the lab that I used for my saliva and blood spot testing.
I did the Comprehensive Female Profile 1. I think the Comprehensive Male Profile 1 is the equivalent for men,
with just two differences: the male profile does not include progesterone (PG) in its saliva tests, and adds a
PSA to its blood spot test.

http://www.zrtlab.com/Page.aspx?hid=410

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« Reply #1520 on: 10/10/2008 22:41:52 »
girlwind, I apologize if I came across too harshly. I was just trying to keep CFS and POIS as two separate entities.Oh, and as a third entity, "general health". Just trying to keep the focus on POIS. It seemed to me that there were many "automatic" parallels being drawn. For example, thyroid deficiencies might be found, but do we know that they are POIS-related? I also said "I'm not convinced" that there's a correlation (POIS and CFS)...but who really knows?

Anyway, I'm happy about the hormone testing.
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« Reply #1521 on: 10/10/2008 22:43:56 »
Rock27, thank you!

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« Reply #1522 on: 10/10/2008 22:45:36 »
Thanks Rock27. I will  make the tyroid test soon (TSH, T3 Free, T4 Free).

Study on garlic, proteins, hormones and adreanline.
http://jn.nutrition.org/cgi/content/full/131/8/2150

Thanks Girlwind :)

Another one :
http://www.nature.com/ajh/journal/v14/n4s/abs/ajh2001291a.html

I don't know if garlic effect can be compared to beta-blocker.

B_Jim, thanks for that!

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« Reply #1523 on: 10/10/2008 23:55:52 »
Yes thanks B_Jim, nitric oxide seems worthy of some investigation…

  • Garlic can increase production of NO
http://www.garlic.mistral.co.uk/g_and_no.htm
  • Exorcise results in production of NO
…haven’t we heard reports of exorcise helping POIS?
  • NO is involved in sleep
http://www.medindia.net/news/view_news_main.asp?x=14081
…could a lack of NO be involved in my insomnia?
  • NO is produced from L-Arginine which is found in protein
http://www.nutros.com/nsr-02005.html
...we have just heard of how a high protein diet helps some people

I think I’ll do some more reading on NO, perhaps I’ll even try a suppliment to increase it's production.
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« Reply #1524 on: 11/10/2008 00:18:01 »
girlwind, I apologize if I came across too harshly. I was just trying to keep CFS and POIS as two separate entities.Oh, and as a third entity, "general health". Just trying to keep the focus on POIS. It seemed to me that there were many "automatic" parallels being drawn. For example, thyroid deficiencies might be found, but do we know that they are POIS-related? I also said "I'm not convinced" that there's a correlation (POIS and CFS)...but who really knows?

Anyway, I'm happy about the hormone testing.

Thank you for the apology. I appreciate it.

It confuses me when you say that you are trying to keep POIS and CFS separate, because in one post it was YOU who
brought up your psychiatrist's comparison of the two, as if you were defending his connection btwn  POIS and CFS:
"I know you disagree with my previous psychiatrist, but he was convinced that my symptoms were that of CFS."
Then in the next post you said: "girlwind, if something works for CFS, I'm not convinced it will work for POIS."

I have lived with both POIS and CFS for thirty years, and so my thinking on this is different from yours. And at this
point I DO see a connection, and that connection has to do with my thyroid. Also, my orientation tends to be holistic,
not allopathic--I don't like to compartmentalize the body, in an attempt to keep POIS in a separate "unit" from the
rest of  my health issues. I think overall health IMPLIES a healthy endocrine system.  The glands are the energy centers
of the body--controlling metabolism and energy output, blood sugar, heart rate, body temperature, emotional and
physical well-being, just to name a few of the myriad functions.

The more I investigate about MY POIS problem, and my long-term CFS, the more I'm convinced of endocrine dysfunction
being it's source. And now I have even more clear evidence in my recent diagnostic tests. Continuing inquiry about, and
healing of, my endocrine imbalances is what I will be putting my time and energy into for the next few months and so,
consequently, I will be putting far less time into posting on this forum. Priority is the name of the game.




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« Reply #1525 on: 11/10/2008 02:31:43 »

Thank you for the apology. I appreciate it...I have lived with both POIS and CFS for thirty years, and so my thinking on this is different from yours. And at this
point I DO see a connection, and that connection has to do with my thyroid. Also, my orientation tends to be holistic,
not allopathic--I don't like to compartmentalize the body, in an attempt to keep POIS in a separate "unit" from the
rest of  my health issues. I think overall health IMPLIES a healthy endocrine system.  The glands are the energy centers
of the body--controlling metabolism and energy output, blood sugar, heart rate, body temperature, emotional and
physical well-being, just to name a few of the myriad functions.

The more I investigate about MY POIS problem, and my long-term CFS, the more I'm convinced of endocrine dysfunction
being it's source. And now I have even more clear evidence in my recent diagnostic tests. Continuing inquiry about, and
healing of, my endocrine imbalances is what I will be putting my time and energy into for the next few months and so,
consequently, I will be putting far less time into posting on this forum. Priority is the name of the game.

girlwind, I'm sorry you won't be posting as much. You have certainly been a great contributor here! And thank you for being most genial with me, from the beginning.

I hope I'm not repeating myself, but do you (or anyone else here)think there is a difference between male POIS and female POIS? You and I have both read Mantak Chia (I even tracked him down by phone in Thailand and N.Y.! What people do out of desperation!) - I only read the "Male" books, wherein he declares that sperm is the essence of male energy but I don't know what he said about "the essence of female sexual energy". All that stuff might be nonsense, but it still made me wonder about POIS gender differences. I'd really appreciate knowing your thoughts.

Thanks again for everything.
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« Reply #1526 on: 11/10/2008 03:07:18 »
girlwind writes: "It confuses me when you say that you are trying to keep POIS and CFS separate, because in one post it was YOU who brought up your psychiatrist's comparison of the two, as if you were defending his connection btwn  POIS and CFS:
"I know you disagree with my previous psychiatrist, but he was convinced that my symptoms were that of CFS."
Then in the next post you said: "girlwind, if something works for CFS, I'm not convinced it will work for POIS." "

Believe it or not, I'm "in POIS" right now and my focus is poor (although if Levitra works its magic, it'll be only 1 day of poor focus, not 4 [;D]) - - I know it's (CFS/POIS comment above) a bit out of context but when I went back to my original post, brain fog set in. But one thing I can say right now is that I didn't agree with my psychiatrist, and I gave you credit for confirming that. So thanks.

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« Reply #1527 on: 11/10/2008 03:15:55 »
Yes thanks B_Jim, nitric oxide seems worthy of some investigation…

  • Garlic can increase production of NO
http://www.garlic.mistral.co.uk/g_and_no.htm
  • Exorcise results in production of NO
…haven’t we heard reports of exorcise helping POIS?
  • NO is involved in sleep
http://www.medindia.net/news/view_news_main.asp?x=14081
…could a lack of NO be involved in my insomnia?
  • NO is produced from L-Arginine which is found in protein
http://www.nutros.com/nsr-02005.html
...we have just heard of how a high protein diet helps some people

I think I’ll do some more reading on NO, perhaps I’ll even try a suppliment to increase it's production.


Thanks, John!

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #1528 on: 11/10/2008 03:30:46 »
This article just came out this summer, UCLA School of Medicine

"Nitric oxide promotes distant organ protection: Evidence for an endocrine role of nitric oxide"
http://www.pnas.org/content/105/32/11430.short

Is this a possible connection between Levitra and endocrine?
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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #1529 on: 11/10/2008 05:34:53 »
A lot of things happens here !
I'm late but we have to go back more often on what is written even if it's far.
Dr Matt was definitely done after he talked about his protocol  (which sounds a bit Addams Family..) He said dairy products are crucial for neurotransmitters production and that we have to take tyrosine and phenylalanine if we don't eat dairy products. Where does this come from ? I'm not sure it's true since eggs, meat or even a balanced vegan diet contains largely enough of good amino acids including tyrosine and phenylalanine. I don't know who's right. I agree that tea is making me better mentally but can't sleep with it.

Hi Tarkington, thank you for your posts. I hope we'll all find a solution to this disease.
I think the sexual refractory period has to be investigated to find a solution for pois. Doctors believes the refractory period is caused by orgasm/ejaculation and they say it's longer for old people. At least one thing they believe about "post orgasmic" ! Is there a link between erection and pois ?

The fact you had ejaculation without orgasm, not followed by bad symptoms doesn't mean for me that only orgasm and not ejaculation is the cause of pois :
 A lot of people have ejaculation (with orgasm) without pois.
This could be the case for you, maybe you were cured temporarily.
It seems you were building a lot of seminal fluid at this time, enough to have ejaculation without orgasm, and maybe "build enough fluid quiclky" is the key to cure pois.
Just a possibility, the problem is complex.
I remember i have had an ejaculation without orgasm one time when i was 21 or 22 and it was in a period with less pois.

Counterpoints, i don't think i took antibiotics before pois but i'll check. However i took some after pois for sure. Unfortunately all that is very far. I wanted to clarify a point about my insomnia. I have two types of insomnia.
-One is caused by pois : I sleep (i wake up in the night but for only few minutes)  but not deeply at all,  sleep is not refreshing. I have a tendency toward no desire to go to sleep in the evening.
-The second type of insomnia is caused by sexual abstinence :
If i sleep it's very refreshing. Also i have a strong desire to go to sleep in the evening but sometimes i wake up in the middle of the night and can't go back to sleep for a long time (2 hours or the whole night). Food is essential to regulate this type of insomnia. Salt is definitely a cause of bad sleep for this second type.

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #1530 on: 11/10/2008 10:51:41 »
Demografx,
http://www.relyonlevitra.com/work.html
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When a man is sexually stimulated, the body releases nitric oxide in the network of blood vessels forming the corpus cavernosum — a sponge-like area of tissue inside the penis that absorbs an inflow of blood to create the erection. Nitrous oxide stimulates the production of an enzyme called guanylate cyclase (GMP) which, in turn, generates cyclic guanosine monophosphate (cGMP) in the muscle cells in the walls of the arteries carrying blood through the penis. This should relax the arteries and allow more blood to flow into the corpus cavernosum. But if the body also produces phosphodiesterase type 5 (PDE5), this process may be slowed or stopped.

Levitra inhibits the production of PDE5 inside the penis. On its own, this has no effect on the penis because sexual stimulation is required for an erection to occur. Thus, Levitra allows the body to go through its natural cycle of increasing the flow of blood through the penis to produce an erection. In this, Levitra is similar to Viagra. Both lose their effectiveness about six hours after being taken. Both are fully eliminated from the body in between eight and ten hours
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Wild guess....
Could it be that Levitra simply reduces the amount of NO burnt during sex, as less is required due to the inhibition of “PDE5”? Perhaps in effect your NO storage tank (precursors required to manufacture it) isn't depleted as much.

 [?]

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« Reply #1531 on: 11/10/2008 14:50:32 »
Girlwind the results you have had recently are very encouraging! I wish you success in this way.
I think seaweed is to be taken with moderation, and that you must know the exact amount of iodine taken every day. (I heard stories of lost navigators who had to eat seaweed when they were lost in the sea, resulting in health troubles.)

Too much kelp/iodine can be dangerous. See here :

-case of iodine-induced hyperthyroidism due to the ingestion of a kelp-containing tea.she had been treated for a period of 4 weeks by a Chinese alternative practitioner with a herbal tea containing kelp
http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=1924637

-In iodine deficiency: Iodine supplementation programs in iodine-deficient populations have been associated with an increased incidence of iodine-induced hyperthyroidism (IHH)

-In iodine-sufficient populations (e.g., the U.S.), excess iodine intake is most commonly associated with elevated blood levels of thyroid stimulating hormone (TSH),


http://lpi.oregonstate.edu/infocenter/minerals/iodine/


Eventually, to have a controlled amount of iodine, not possible with kelp, you can take a drop of this supplement every 2 days. Don't forget the iodine already taken in food! Perhaps it contains heavy metals but the testing is not very expensive in some labs. If after a try you find this supplement is good, then have it tested to take it for a long period.
http://www.nutritionsurplus.com/index.cfm/fuseaction/Shopping.ProductDetails/productid/40644/type/Search/ProductCategoryID/0.html?CFID=1059129&CFTOKEN=78778670

I don't know the potential bad effects of this supplement. It should be evaluated with your health practitionner. Self prescription is not always wise.

Other nutrients are also necessary for thyroid (selenium,tyrosine,b6,and others ...)

Check if you eat A LOT of anti-thyroid foods (peanuts, Brussels sprouts, lima beans, cauliflower, broccoli, cabbage, sweet potatoes, nitrate-rich foods, ...)
Some of these foodS are good for cancer, it's not to cut them totally.


I have read the big book you mentionned "fatigued .." . A big mix of supplements from the beginning to the end, but it's interesting ! The recommended NADH supplement in this book, may decrease longevity.
A second pathway induced in yeast by restricted calories is respiration, a mode of energy production that creates NAD as a by-product while lowering levels of its counterpart, NADH. It turns out that not only does NAD activate Sir2, but NADH is an inhibitor of the enzyme, so altering the cell's NAD/NADH ratio profoundly influences Sir2 activity.

Having seen how life-extending biological stress increases Sir2 activity, the question became, Is Sir2 necessary to produce the longevity? The answer appears to be a resounding "yes

http://www.supercentenarian.com/archive/longevity-genes.html


Counterpoints, if you have noticed something bad after antibiotics it can be true for you. Pois may have several causes.

Demo i'll read on NO. It's very interesting.
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« Reply #1532 on: 11/10/2008 18:32:28 »
Imre1,

I forgot to answer one of your questions.  Bisoprolol hasn't substantially decreased my sex drive.  It may have decreased it to some extent, but it certainly hasn't completely eliminated sexual desire.  (Unfortunately!).  I'm on my first week of 10 mg/day.  I've been taking 5 mg/day for the past month.  We'll see how things change.  So far I've noticed increased fatigue, but not much else.


There is another point that may be of importance.

It is often mentioned that during puberty libido should be the highest. During this time I was not sexualy active in any way. So it seems that i would have a natural tendency towards low libido. This changed after the age of 24.

Maybe this is why bisoprolol works so good for me.

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #1533 on: 11/10/2008 20:23:10 »
Demo i'll read on NO. It's very interesting.

Martin, thanks, I appreciate that!

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #1534 on: 11/10/2008 20:50:28 »
Wild guess....
Could it be that Levitra simply reduces the amount of NO burnt during sex, as less is required due to the inhibition of “PDE5”? Perhaps in effect your NO storage tank (precursors required to manufacture it) isn't depleted as much. [?]

John, since no one yet knows POIS fully, you might have, like Newton, not a wild guess...but one of the answers! [;D] We are lining up outsider researchers and hopefully will have some top professional guidance soon to help validate our wild guesses!
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« Reply #1535 on: 12/10/2008 00:20:53 »
Counterpoints
If your recent post was inspired by me I don’t take offence. I have only known about the forum for about 6-7 wks. I haven’t posted until now due to, not knowing the answer just theories much of which has been canvassed here already plus being tired and just catching up on past posts (yes I'm another one with CFS) and also wanting to wait till I had trialled a couple of possible therapies over the coming mths that I had not seen mentioned on the forum. Low dose naltexone therapy being one of them hopefully. Even if they were not a success, sometimes a therapeutic approach can still be valuable if it means it can be used to rule out a competing theory and focus the search. I will outline some of my experiences and a couple of theories over the weeks.
Like girlwind, I have considered pois as just a symptom set of having chronic fatigue syndrome, and my focus on and off over the years has simply been on boosting my overall health. The past couple of yrs I have good improvement in my CFS, and its pretty much just the pois element that remains much of the time now.

I had suspected a number of factors for me getting CFS...mysteclin use (screwed up gut flora + liver stress), lots of swimming in pool (chlorine/sodium hypochlorite exposure), overdoing weight lifting (weakening immunity), getting nasty spider bite (possible pathogen/toxin) and parents renovating 2 houses in a row (chemical exposure). Your post on tetracyclines + this forum made me think back to when I first got CFS back in the 80s. I had a slump in my health 2 yrs before I collapsed with CFS. This pretty much was what we call pois. I could easily blame pois as a factor for me getting CFS. I was pretty wasted back then, so I can't be sure and was on + off mysteclin for acne, but my feelings are that I took it just at the time I had the slump in my health (ie pois onset)

This forum is fantastic, and its such a relief to see this condition tackled with collective sleuthing beyond Dr.Lu's herbal elixirs and religious sites using it to promote the sins of masturbation.
cheers

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« Reply #1536 on: 12/10/2008 01:18:09 »

This forum is fantastic, and its such a relief to see this condition tackled with collective sleuthing beyond Dr.Lu's herbal elixirs and religious sites using it to promote the sins of masturbation.
cheers

Thanks, Acronym!!

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« Reply #1537 on: 12/10/2008 01:38:44 »
Girlwind the results you have had recently are very encouraging! I wish you success in this way.
I think seaweed is to be taken with moderation, and that you must know the exact amount of iodine taken every day. (I heard stories of lost navigators who had to eat seaweed when they were lost in the sea, resulting in health troubles.)

I have read the big book you mentionned "fatigued .." . A big mix of supplements from the beginning to the end, but it's interesting !

Thanks Martin, for all your info. I am reading through it.   Very busy preparing all my documentation for my MD this week.
I am reading like a manic every thing I can find on iodine, thyroid and natural remedies for endocrine balancing, and putting together
personal data, symptoms, etc...  with all my lab work for the past 30 years!
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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #1538 on: 12/10/2008 03:06:30 »
Some good comments on the forum, really feels like we're getting somewhere in the fight against POIS. Some very interesting ideas about the link between Levitra and Nitric Oxide (NO). Apparently L-Arganine is supposed to be the precursor for NO, as its just an amino acid that you can buy from heath food shops I am tempted to give it a try!

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« Reply #1539 on: 12/10/2008 03:51:49 »
Blood flow and NO
I see Nitric Oxide has increasingly come up in discussion. This was one of my theories for explaining POIS. It occurred to me to that the reason for demografx getting relief from taking Levitra had to be due to the release of nitric oxide and its effect on blood flow. Though it beats me why Cialis doesn’t have the same effect, as they are almost identical to the extent of slight alteration to circumvent patent law. Also why has no one else had the same success with an ED drug as demografx has??!

I have used Cialis (though only 1/2tab) and have to admit it didn’t make any difference for me, in POIS respect anyway. Clouding the matter though was the fact that I took it when I had girlfriend and the sex went for number of hours, less sleep + more disturbed sleep when sharing bed. One of the factors in improving my health with CFS was to focus on improving my sleep. It makes a huge difference. As someone else mentioned, the symptoms of POIS were worse with poor nights sleep and I can vouch for that too.

I think I remember reading a forum post from a while back on blood flow and having a brain scan performed, Well, I have actually had it done, not for POIS but for CFS. Studies have shown that many CFS patients have poor cerebral blood flow. The night before I had a PET scan using radioactive glucose, I had an orgasm. I got an abnormal outcome. The results showed poor blood flow in certain regions (I'd have to get my notes to see which ones).
While this may be interesting to the forum, without a follow up scan during a non POIS period, though it cannot be considered a conclusive factor. Scan was also abnormal for my pituitary.

One thing I have tried that has helped with my CFS and also to a partial degree with POIS, that is supposed to stimulate the circulatory system, is cayenne pepper. I read about a guy who had CFS who claimed cayenne pepper was a big factor in him regaining his health. Its health benefits were originally promoted by a Dr.Schultz. I have taken it all of this year in the morning and I think it has been a factor in my improving health. I have to admit I have only taken regular 'very hot' cayenne pepper powder. The advocates of this spice highly recommend taking super hot pepper with 100,000+HU rating, which I haven’t as yet, as it’s just not in shops.

Something else that I took in the past that fits into the NO hypothesis is L-Arginine. I took this a number of years back in conjunction with L-Glutamine. I didn't take it for POIS but rather for boosting my GH/IGF (growth hormone) levels which are abnormally low. (this could be a factor in pois also, note I am not short). It didn’t show up on the blood tests, but I felt I had more energy on the amino acids, better erections, but downside was increased insomnia.
Currently arginine is a hot product with the body building supplement industry in products that boost the muscle pump effect through increasing NO. I have read articles + studies on nitric oxide that confuse the matter somewhat for me. Some make it seem like a lack of NO could be a major key to my health problems, but there are other articles that discuss the NO/ONOO cycle where too much NO is believed to be a problem for people for CFS because it converts to peroxynitrite a very potent free radical. Arginine is also used by Herpes viruses for reproduction, and cutting edge research shows some patients are making great recoveries after taking anti-viral meds for HHV-6 variant., which I am currently being treated for so am a bit wary of high dose arginine at the moment. 
I had tried a drug promoted by well known CFS doctor which contains Nitroglycerin which increases nitric oxide, and it had worked very well on some of his patients. I got headaches on it and it was no break through cure for me unfortunately.

Exercise I thought also increased NO production. I am sure I have read posts from others saying exercise lessened their POIS symptoms. Put me down as another one. Though in my case its anaerobic exercise rather than aerobic. Most people with CFS are very wary of exercise, because of the lethargy that results for long afterwards. If I play a round of golf, I will be wiped out for the rest of the day, however I can do weight lifting.

For those that don’t have CFS, I would recommend maybe testing out a body building product like 'Arginine AKG' or NO-Xplode, and to see if they can duplicate demografx's success or maybe dismiss the nitric oxide hypothesis.

Also thanks demografx.

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« Reply #1540 on: 12/10/2008 08:24:06 »
POIS DIARY

First, Acronym, thanks for shedding further light on the possibilities of nitric oxide! To answer your question why others haven't tried Levitra, I've always discouraged it for people who don't have ED. And Cialis failure with POIS is still a mystery. Except that Cialis components somehow work far longer on ED. I was actually shocked that Cialis was a Zero-percent improvement for me! Thanks for reporting your results.

It's about 32 hours ago since 10 mg Levitra plus release, and I'm feeling pretty close to full recovery (vs. 4 days to recover previously).

In the first 24 hours, I slept for 12 hours thinking I could shortcut the recovery even more. The sleep wasn't totally refreshing so I stayed in bed today resting during the daytime. Tonight I went to dinner with my wife and relatives (it went well - I even told dumb jokes), saw a movie and there my concentration was below par, but not anywhere nearly as bad as the pre-Levitra days.

Anyway, my long sleep "shortcut" last night and bed rest today didn't really work (brain fog and fatigue were still there). But the bedrest felt good  [;D]

My fingertips are now less dried up/numb, which are my barometer of my overall POIS state.

It's still good news for me: It's about 1 day of agony instead of 4. And the agony is much milder.

But I'm now spoiled. That 1 bad day - even though much less harrowing - is enough to keep me from release as long as possible.

Like Martin Luther King, "I have a dream" where everyone can one day release and not worry about disastrous consequences!!
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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #1541 on: 12/10/2008 09:08:34 »
In Martin Pall’s theory of the cause of chronic fatigue (CFS), nitric oxide plays a central role.
http://www.chronicfatiguetreatments.com/wordpress/treatments/chronic-fatigue-nitric-oxide/

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« Reply #1542 on: 12/10/2008 14:51:37 »
So far I've noticed increased fatigue, but not much else.

Anyway if your medication allows you to get out of your chair. This means an improvement in fitness. Even if, when you do some excercise, the pills need some time to adjust your heart rate and subsequently feel tiresome at first.

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« Reply #1543 on: 12/10/2008 14:57:20 »
So far I've noticed increased fatigue, but not much else.

Anyway if your medication allows you to get out of your chair. This means an improvement in fitness. Even if, when you do some excercise, the pills need some time to adjust your heart rate and subsequently feel tiresome at first.

Beta blockers have a double working when doing excercises.

At first it is difficult to get into doing something. But after some time your heart settles and then you can for example dance for 6 hours no stop without getting tired, out of breath (an other one of those "I thought i would never do this again", and a trilion times more fun then sex).
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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #1544 on: 12/10/2008 17:49:31 »
Some good comments on the forum, really feels like we're getting somewhere in the fight against POIS. Some very interesting ideas about the link between Levitra and Nitric Oxide (NO). Apparently L-Arganine is supposed to be the precursor for NO, as its just an amino acid that you can buy from heath food shops I am tempted to give it a try!

Thanks, hurray. Note B_Jim's comment above about L-Arganine.
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« Reply #1545 on: 12/10/2008 17:58:13 »
POIS DIARY (Continued from above)

Today is the beginning of Day 2. Still just a little brain fog and just a little fatigue. Dried up/numb fingertips mostly gone (for some strange reason, the feeling in the fingertips was never that bad, but for some reason makes me extremely annoyed. Maybe it's because the fingertips are a barometer, as I mentioned previously, of my entire POIS state).

Slightly irritable. So I'm not "100%" yet.

It's hard to judge the extent of "cure" this round. 75%? 60%? 50%? Anyway, it's in the right direction! Levitra has now been in use successfully against my POIS for over one year.

**But PLEASE don't try Levitra without your physician's approval. Especially if you don't have ED.**
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« Reply #1546 on: 12/10/2008 18:07:06 »
Dried up/numb fingertips mostly gone (for some strange reason, the feeling in the fingertips was never that bad, but for some reason makes me extremely annoyed. Maybe it's because the fingertips are a barometer, as I mentioned previously, of my entire POIS state).


I know what you mean about a POIS barometer ..... for me, the skin on my forehead feels very dry and taut, and my hair feels very dry and straw-like.

I always assumed that this happened because nutrients were being stolen by other parts of my body somehow, but perhaps there's a more scientific explaination involving hormone balance etc ....

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« Reply #1547 on: 12/10/2008 18:31:38 »
Hey Demografx:  My post from way back on page 26 also concerns arginine as raising NO.

Demografx--I spoke with a friend who is a nutritional researcher and he said arginine (an amino acid) has the same basic effect as
Levitra, which is to raise the nitric oxide levels in the blood, with no risk of heart attack or potential blindness. Just to let you know.


Dried up/numb fingertips mostly gone (for some strange reason, the feeling in the fingertips was never that bad, but for some reason makes me extremely annoyed. Maybe it's because the fingertips are a barometer, as I mentioned previously, of my entire POIS state).

I know what you mean about a POIS barometer ..... for me, the skin on my forehead feels very dry and taut, and my hair feels very dry and straw-like.
I always assumed that this happened because nutrients were being stolen by other parts of my body somehow, but perhaps there's a more scientific
explaination involving hormone balance etc ....

Okay, I know you probably will hate to hear this, but dry skin and straw-like hair is a sign of guess what: hypothyroidism.

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« Reply #1548 on: 12/10/2008 20:19:27 »
Demografx--I spoke with a friend who is a nutritional researcher and he said arginine (an amino acid) has the same basic effect as
Levitra, which is to raise the nitric oxide levels in the blood, with no risk of heart attack or potential blindness. Just to let you know.

Thanks for that, girlwind! Please keep in mind that it's very hard to remember all the incredible amount of data that flies by here! And nitric oxide has only very recently (after your post) become heightened for me as potentially important to understand.

But I'm not sure arginine alone would help ED - which, sigh, I might have incurred by my extended testosterone use last year to revive libido after a long depression period.

Okay, I know you probably will hate to hear this, but dry skin and straw-like hair is a sign of guess what: hypothyroidism.

Why would I hate to hear it? Girlwind, I hope you understand by now that the only thing I want - just like you - is TRUTH! Wherever it leads us! Sure, I have a pet theory about nitric oxide, but if someone can show me consistent POIS results by eating dry lizards (yuk) I'll do it! Remember, I'm still a desperate man, girlwind!  [;D]
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« Reply #1549 on: 12/10/2008 20:29:59 »
...you can for example dance for 6 hours no stop without getting tired, out of breath (an other one of those "I thought i would never do this again", and a trilion times more fun then sex).

imre1, are you saying dancing is way more fun than sex? If so...please post your dance steps.....NOW!! [;D]