Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)

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« Reply #16300 on: 02/05/2012 10:26:09 »
i recently discovered that the symptoms of "neurasthenia" are quiet smiliar to POIS symptoms.
newbielink:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neurasthenia [nonactive]

also remarkable that freud saw masturbation and the depletion of libido as a possible cause of neurasthenia..hmm.
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« Reply #16301 on: 02/05/2012 11:02:32 »

That is how I felt once I first started taking vitamin C 1500 mg every day.  It wasn't the "cure" in the moment, but I believe it led me to something.  I'm still not taking any supplements and sleeping very well.  I just "O'd" about 15 minutes ago.  Currently I have no POIS symptoms, just calm, I will update as time goes on.  I still have not had any POIS after that "headache" went away.  Maybe it's the continued use of vitamin C, and than adding in the sea salt.  I gave, what did I say, about 2 1/2 months just vitamin C and than for about 2 weeks adding in the sea salt.  Claritin may or may not have played a role in it.  I took claritin for about 2 months when I started the vitamin C.  Part of why I am feeling really good is that I am also sleeping really well.  I also forgot to state that my acne did clear up when I was taking the sea salt and C... I have very mild acne, but noticed an improvement.

UPDATE:
  It's been a couple of hours since I've "O'd" 3 times and still no POIS, just calm and normal.  I, myself, actually believe I no longer have this... 100% honesty.  Normally, I would be in full blown POIS at most 30 minutes after "O".  It's just a miracle to me.  Believe me or not, this is how I feel.  I will make another update tomorrow about how i am feeling.

GoingCrazy, how would you describe this "headache", did you have it during these POIS years? I am really glad that you are having success!

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« Reply #16302 on: 02/05/2012 16:49:30 »
Does anyone with POIS regularly drink alcohol? I don't like drinking at all, it stimulates POIS type symptoms.

I always drink alcohol (three times a week) and I donīt see thar my POIS get worst because of that. But, definitely, it is not a normal drunk, but a POIS drunk. But I like to dringo, because It gives more happy to my libefe, what POIS have get from me...

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« Reply #16303 on: 02/05/2012 16:57:16 »
Hi, I observed an interesting fact in my POIS.  I have taken many treatment/ medication to reduce the POIS symptoms.  I observed that, for some treatment/medicine my POIS symptoms reduced initially (for 15 to 20 days), but afterwords, those medicine become ineffective for POIS and it not at all helps to reduce POIS symptoms.  I have  experience this for 15 to 20 medicines which are worked initially but now they are almost dead.  Whether any of you experienced like this. 

Further, in POIS period, I stammer a lot.  People around me thought that I am a Stammering person.  But in Non-POIS period, I was completely free from Stammering and I will speak perfectly.  Can any body explain why Stammering is coming in POIS period along with other symptoms of POIS

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« Reply #16304 on: 02/05/2012 17:27:52 »
So anyone has tried L-histidine as it was suggested a long time ago?? 200 mg gives me runny nose after 15 mins and a feeling of thousands of micro needles running across the body. So far pretty interesting. Sort of like Niacin but different.

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« Reply #16305 on: 03/05/2012 00:07:01 »

That is how I felt once I first started taking vitamin C 1500 mg every day.  It wasn't the "cure" in the moment, but I believe it led me to something.  I'm still not taking any supplements and sleeping very well.  I just "O'd" about 15 minutes ago.  Currently I have no POIS symptoms, just calm, I will update as time goes on.  I still have not had any POIS after that "headache" went away.  Maybe it's the continued use of vitamin C, and than adding in the sea salt.  I gave, what did I say, about 2 1/2 months just vitamin C and than for about 2 weeks adding in the sea salt.  Claritin may or may not have played a role in it.  I took claritin for about 2 months when I started the vitamin C.  Part of why I am feeling really good is that I am also sleeping really well.  I also forgot to state that my acne did clear up when I was taking the sea salt and C... I have very mild acne, but noticed an improvement.

UPDATE:
  It's been a couple of hours since I've "O'd" 3 times and still no POIS, just calm and normal.  I, myself, actually believe I no longer have this... 100% honesty.  Normally, I would be in full blown POIS at most 30 minutes after "O".  It's just a miracle to me.  Believe me or not, this is how I feel.  I will make another update tomorrow about how i am feeling.

GoingCrazy, how would you describe this "headache", did you have it during these POIS years? I am really glad that you are having success!

Observer, it wasn't your average headache.  What it felt like was mainly pressure, that kept on moving to different sides of my head.  I went to the chiropractor and also tried every otc available and I still felt it.  It was just very weird, I had that "ache" I would say the whole time I had POIS.  It might have had something to do with my spinal cord but I don't know.  When the pain left my head, on rare occasions, I would feel pressure on my tailbone or some other part of my spine.  It was just really annoying.  When I had an "O", I would feel this pain move to the back of my head, like it moves to high pressure areas.  I used to feel it 24/7 and it used to prevent me from getting good sleep, now it is gone.

UPDATE #2:  Still no POIS and I slept great.  Day 1 is usually hell for me, I can tell you now it is no longer there and I am taking no supplements.  I actually feel a little too calm.

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« Reply #16306 on: 03/05/2012 02:08:51 »
GoingCrazy, I think I once experienced the sort of pressure in the brain feeling during the second week I was on an antidepressant called Effexor. It was a constant feeling that I couldn't forget about and along with it there was a significant reduction in my intelligence. Thankfully it stopped a week or two after ceasing the drug.
Taking fenugreek+tea/garlic, saw palmetto, huperzine, niacin, boswellia, and nutmeg.

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #16307 on: 03/05/2012 02:52:55 »
So anyone has tried L-histidine as it was suggested a long time ago?? 200 mg gives me runny nose after 15 mins and a feeling of thousands of micro needles running across the body. So far pretty interesting. Sort of like Niacin but different.
Thats very interesting, let us know how it goes with L histadine.  I have considered trying it myself for quite a while, but have never gone through with buying it.

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« Reply #16308 on: 03/05/2012 06:08:22 »
GoingCrazy, I think I once experienced the sort of pressure in the brain feeling during the second week I was on an antidepressant called Effexor. It was a constant feeling that I couldn't forget about and along with it there was a significant reduction in my intelligence. Thankfully it stopped a week or two after ceasing the drug.

That's good to hear that it went away after you stopped using the anti-depressant.  But my headache was constant and not caused by any medication I was using or anything, just my body itself.  That's actually probably a side effect for using antidepressants, as it messes with the serotonin in your brain, it's the same mechanism that causes headaches and migraines. (I believe)

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« Reply #16309 on: 03/05/2012 06:21:39 »
Lauracostis: Well the effects have been so far quite interesting but I can't put my finger on it quite yet.

Also because I technically have a beta-alanine / l-histidine powder supplementation combination (from a bodybuilding supplement shop) so after some reading i'm not not sure which active ingredient is causing what.. but the effects are repeatable and stable and do not resemble an placebo effect.

I really reckon somebody else should try it out too but maybe only with a pure L-histidine (without beta-alanine mixed in). It's easy to get in most of bodybuilding shops (the one I went in was just fresh out of the pure L-histidine powder, that's why I ended up with the 2 in 1 mix).

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« Reply #16310 on: 03/05/2012 17:24:02 »

I really reckon somebody else should try it out too


NO!

This is exactly what NOT to say here.

Please read my warning posts on the previous pages!

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« Reply #16311 on: 03/05/2012 17:44:46 »
Demografx : Did I market it as a cure? Did I sound really overly excited about it? Did I even say it improved anything? Sorry but nope... but I think I want to say that Niacin (pioneers) veterans should be first to check it out.
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« Reply #16312 on: 03/05/2012 18:00:23 »

Sorry but nope.


Well then, you're forcing me to post it this way, perhaps make this more understandable?


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I really reckon recklessly post that somebody else should try it out too



Our pages have been read nearly 2,000,000 times!

edit...not only by "niacin pioneers/veterans".


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« Reply #16313 on: 03/05/2012 18:01:42 »
Please read what I wrote about the other readers (the majority).

They do not have the sophistication your message requires.

Not the pioneers/veterans. Of course they understand.

That is what PM's (Private Messages) are for. You can easily say this to the few well-known Niacin pioneers/veterans - without swaying a desperate, will-try-anything, newcomer who is clueless.

makrofag, I don't mean to be harsh, and you are a good forum contributor, but I learned this from 5 years of listening to our members, both posters and silent readers (the latter is the majority of our audience).

More than once I have recommended suicide hotlines and emergency room treatment centers here, both publicly and privately.  And told desperate newbies to NOT rush out and try drug/supplement "X" but find a good doctor instead.

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« Reply #16314 on: 04/05/2012 00:40:25 »
Yes, your $5 will help!!

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« Reply #16315 on: 04/05/2012 02:46:50 »
I was given trileptal for mood swings and I had an O yesterday and no POIS symptoms.  I thought I should get the word out.  Of course I can't find the bottle but I'm sure it is a minimal dose.  Hope someone else can confirm my results

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« Reply #16316 on: 04/05/2012 04:17:47 »
I was given trileptal for mood swings and I had an O yesterday and no POIS symptoms.  I thought I should get the word out.  Of course I can't find the bottle but I'm sure it is a minimal dose.  Hope someone else can confirm my results
You should wait a month to see if the results are sustained  before reporting the effects of a one time use, especially the first use which often gives false results that are not sustained with further use.   
Please Don't feel like I am trying to give you a hard time about reporting your results here.

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« Reply #16317 on: 04/05/2012 04:48:12 »
GoingCrazy, I think I once experienced the sort of pressure in the brain feeling during the second week I was on an antidepressant called Effexor. It was a constant feeling that I couldn't forget about and along with it there was a significant reduction in my intelligence. Thankfully it stopped a week or two after ceasing the drug.

That's good to hear that it went away after you stopped using the anti-depressant.  But my headache was constant and not caused by any medication I was using or anything, just my body itself.  That's actually probably a side effect for using antidepressants, as it messes with the serotonin in your brain, it's the same mechanism that causes headaches and migraines. (I believe)

Goingcrazy and Vincent, I too experience a constant headache. It's never really gone and seems to get worse in POIS. It feels like pressure more than a true "headache." It's almost as if my brain and/or sinuses are swollen, and it hurts when I apply pressure to my face/skull. Is that similar to what you are describing? I've seen neurologists about it and got a head CT scan a few years ago to rule out any serious conditions. Everything came back negative.
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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #16318 on: 04/05/2012 05:50:35 »
Robtabasco51, welcome to the POIS thread of The Naked Science Forum!  We believe that 2012 is POIS' Breakthrough Year. We hope to launch serious POIS Medical Research. A great time to be here.     


**(If you have any technical questions, please feel free to PM (private message) Daveman or me -- or another forum member - - go towards the end of this welcome message (after the 5 available research articles are described) for instuctions on how to send PM. We'll be happy to explain.)***


If you haven't already done so, but would like to like to join the new forum,  send "daveman" a PM here at the Naked Science Forum.


Here are some POIS resources which may be helpful to you:

Click here to see Mat780's excellent YouTube POIS Channel.   Mat's YouTube videos include (1) our great new April 12 POIS TV Documentary. A must-see. And (2) The Learning Channel documentary, featuring our forum member "Animus".

Click here to see The POIS reddit post.  Outsiders (non-POISers) spontaneously gifted NORD's POIS Research Grant $1,000+ from this reddit post. Thanks to "mellivora" and "CCconfucius"!

Our POIS chatroom (realtime chat). Invite or visit another member(s) there, ANY TIME. We can all get to know each other better:
Just click here first, and then look for "CHAT" button towards top of page, 4th button to your right!

Our alternate POIS Forum - architectural genius: "daveman" - for detailed subject-by-subject discussion.
http://www.POISCenter.com/forums/index.php
Our 5-year-old POIS thread here at Naked Science Forum will also always remain open for newcomers, for general unstructured discussion, and historical research of the 10,000+ postings here since 2007.

Our POIS Information Website, built by "mat780", is here:
http://sites.google.com/site/POISwebsite/

The POIS Information Website is home to the POIS Forum Compendium, written by "Pyropeach", and contains theories already discussed here and treatments that have both worked and failed.

Please see "B_Jim"'s POIS Summary of All Cases, here as well as others on the Web. This includes remedies that we have tested, and results.
http://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?topic=6576.msg149009#msg149009

"Girlwind" has created an excellent POIS Video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UWBxAUC9k1g


Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome "POIS": Case report

Authors:
Abdalla M Attia*, Magda H Al-Ziny, Hossam A Yasien
*Corresponding author: Andrology Unit, Minoufiya University, Shibin El Kom, Eygpt

For more info, check out emi_b's  SMF POIS thread:
http://poiscenter.com/forums/index.php?topic=191.0;topicseen


POIS Research Studies available Upon Request:

1. and 2. POIS Research Studies, 2011

These 2 papers reveal Dr. Waldinger's POIS autoimmune hypothesis and suggest one possible avenue of treatment.

3. First POIS Research Study, 2002

We have a copy of the first formal medical investigation on POIS by Prof. dr. Marcel D. Waldinger,MD, Ph.D., and Dr. Dave Schweitzer, MD.

   
4. Recent POIS Research Study, 2010

CASE REPORT
Postorgasm Illness Syndrome - A Spectrum of Illnesses
Jane Ashby, MRCP, and David Goldmeier, MRCP
http://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?topic=6576.msg316781#msg316781


5. British Medical Journal Case Report, 2010

Case study by Dr. Selwyn Dexter of a patient with a headache-featured POIS symptom treated with progesterone/norethisterone.
http://casereports.bmj.com/content/2010/bcr.10.2009.2359.short?rss=1


How to get any or all of the above 5 studies: send me or "daveman" a Private Message (PM) with your regular email address (use "AT" instead of "@" ) and we'll send you back the PDF(s).

To send a Private Message, click on "My Messages" at the top of this page. Then click "Send Message". From that point on, it works just like posting a message here, except that it only goes to the person(s) you designate.


New York Times article,

January 20, 2009
Mind
Sex and Depression: In the Brain, if Not the Mind
By RICHARD A. FRIEDMAN, M.D.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/20/health/views/20mind.html?_r=1&scp=1&sq=friedman%20sexual%20January%2020&st=cse

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In addition to serving our own informational interests, the resources listed above can be useful for you to show our credibility to the medical world - which often shows little understanding and is sometimes skeptical of our condition: POIS has scientific underpinnings and POIS is not "just another psychological problem" related to sex - to be treated by the psychiatric/psychotherapeutic community. All of this information can greatly help you to fight the immediate reaction of some doctors: so just tell them, "IT'S NOT 'ALL IN YOUR HEAD'! "





It can be very  helpful to you when dealing with medical professionals to point this out. Click to see

POIS' official listing, as recognized by the
National Institutes for Health (NIH), Office of Rare Diseases Research
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And in Europe: Orphanet now lists POIS on their website. - Click here.

POIS also appears in credible medical sources such as the Journal of Sexual Medicine (Dr. Waldinger's study), British Medical Journal (Dr. Selwyn Dexter's study), and wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Postorgasmic_illness_syndrome

For over 5 years, our POIS forum has attracted over 200 POIS sufferers worldwide who have posted here, research on an additional 200 sufferers elsewhere on the internet, plus our pages have been read nearly 2,000,000 times. Not bad for a rare malady.

Show some of this to your doctor - with pride. Chances are, you know far more about POIS than s/he does. Don't be intimidated by fancy diplomas. It's almost impossible for any one doctor to know much about POIS before you walk into his/her office. Unfortunately, it's up to you to educate them. And if you happen to find yourself with a disagreeable "student"-doctor (you're the teacher), find another doctor. Quickly!

SEARCH THE FORUM WITH GOOGLE

We have an overwhelming amount of data: more than 5 years' worth of posts (over  10,000 posts!) from 200+ Forum members, and an additional 200 POIS sufferers found elsewhere on the Internet by Member B_Jim.

In the Google search box, type
whatever-it-is-you're-interested-in-finding-out[space]POIS[space]site:http://thenakedscientists.com/

for example, I tried
nocturnal emission POIS site:http://thenakedscientists.com/

and 740 results came up for "nocturnal emission" within the Forum.

be careful with spaces (you can use them before the word "site") and no-spaces (everything after the word "site")

Google even provides you results with the Message# for each result. But Message #'s do change, so be patient and look for the approximate Message#.






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« Reply #16319 on: 04/05/2012 07:47:23 »

There are more and more sites, blogs and forums talking about Pois. ;)


Great news.


Yes!

B_Jim, you have done an amazing job collecting all the POIS case studies from the many forums, sites, and blogs that you have visited on the internet and reported on POIS here since 2007. Thank you very much for this.


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A question for all
« Reply #16320 on: 04/05/2012 08:11:43 »

A question for all

Does pois affect the body weight??
for me I think it does!!

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« Reply #16321 on: 04/05/2012 17:23:32 »
It helps get rid of the symptoms  Amino Gold, 3 weeks without symptoms!

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« Reply #16322 on: 04/05/2012 17:25:40 »
Congratulations, Vasian1980.

I hope it continues to work for you.

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« Reply #16323 on: 04/05/2012 17:30:11 »
I tried to be engaged in the gym, the coach gave the bank an amine, in the 1st day, the mood has improved, I did not believe it but for me it started working! Remained at 10 days, then try without them! My symptoms were not just after 0 and after excessive exercise.

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« Reply #16324 on: 04/05/2012 17:32:50 »

A question for all

Does pois affect the body weight??
for me I think it does!!


meteo74, if you wish, you can also post that good question at our polling center.
http://poiscenter.com/forums/index.php?board=15.0

edit: I listed an incorrect link in my earlier post.


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« Reply #16325 on: 05/05/2012 02:28:45 »

A question for all

Does pois affect the body weight??
for me I think it does!!

I think POIS was causing me to gain some weight, but when I found fenugreek the weight gain stopped. However I may have mistaken the inflammation and swelling of my face and the bloating of my stomach to be weight gain. My actual weight in lbs hasn't changed since before I got POIS, but I've lost a lot of muscle since then.
Taking fenugreek+tea/garlic, saw palmetto, huperzine, niacin, boswellia, and nutmeg.

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« Reply #16326 on: 05/05/2012 03:55:10 »
Here is one interesting question for everyone:

Did you remember the details of the instance or day that POIS first started occuring? Specifically, what I mean is this:

- Do you believe that after having one particular orgasm, you felt/knew something was wrong or different? (or was it the next morning?)
- Anything different/remarkable about how you were masturbating/having sex, or the frequency of masturbation that day or week?

Why I ask this is the instance when POIS first started for me was one night I was masturbating lying down facing up, and this was a week where it was almost excessive (1+ times a day). And right after that particular orgasm something felt strange inside my head. It felt like as if suddenly something was different. The next day I woke up and during the daytime pressure started building up in my head and I started thinking less clearly. That was how POIS started for me.

Anyone want to share their experience?

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« Reply #16327 on: 05/05/2012 04:03:57 »
Here is one interesting question for everyone:

Did you remember the details of the instance or day that POIS first started occuring? Specifically, what I mean is this:

- Do you believe that after having one particular orgasm, you felt/knew something was wrong or different? (or was it the next morning?)
- Anything different/remarkable about how you were masturbating/having sex, or the frequency of masturbation that day or week?

Why I ask this is the instance when POIS first started for me was one night I was masturbating lying down facing up, and this was a week where it was almost excessive (1+ times a day). And right after that particular orgasm something felt strange inside my head. It felt like as if suddenly something was different. The next day I woke up and during the daytime pressure started building up in my head and I started thinking less clearly. That was how POIS started for me.

Anyone want to share their experience?

alphaq, Yes I had a similar experience to start my POIS. It happened at the moment of orgasm, felt like something 'shut off' in my head. It has not since turned back on and my POIS is constant, Not just a certain number of days. I have not been the same since.

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« Reply #16328 on: 05/05/2012 05:16:21 »
alphaq, Yes I had a similar experience to start my POIS. It happened at the moment of orgasm, felt like something 'shut off' in my head. It has not since turned back on and my POIS is constant, Not just a certain number of days. I have not been the same since.

Yeah, the answer to this question might give some insight on the mechanics of POIS. For me, it's rather strange/interesting that POIS seemed to start immediately after one particular orgasm. Before that, there were pretty much no symptoms at all.

I suppose for some people it could be different?

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #16329 on: 05/05/2012 07:59:04 »

A question for all

Does pois affect the body weight??
for me I think it does!!

I think POIS was causing me to gain some weight, but when I found fenugreek the weight gain stopped. However I may have mistaken the inflammation and swelling of my face and the bloating of my stomach to be weight gain. My actual weight in lbs hasn't changed since before I got POIS, but I've lost a lot of muscle since then.
From my perspective it does the opposite. An orgasm kind of like boosts my metabolism and advsersely effects my appetite. I have a hard time putting on weight. I remember seeing some pois + body type survey (not a large number of responses though) and I thought it was skewed (not significant indicator though) to pois sufferers being on the underweight side.
Well meteo, what effect do you suspect pois is having on your weight?

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« Reply #16330 on: 05/05/2012 15:32:47 »
For me The symptoms was gradually not suddenly.

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« Reply #16331 on: 05/05/2012 15:35:03 »
I woud ask u what is amine and where I can get it and how to use??

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« Reply #16332 on: 05/05/2012 17:55:16 »
I woud ask u what is amine and where I can get it and how to use??
Sounds like an amino acid supplement. Many of the amino acids have an effect on the creation and regulation of neurotransmitters.
Examples include L-Tyrosine (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tyrosine) , L-Tryptophan and Phenylalanine (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phenylalanine). These are all found in complete proteins like whey (commonly used by weight lifters), soy, eggs and certain algae like spirulina.

When you think about what weight lifters use these supplements for (recovering from extreme physical exertion) then it's possible that they have an effect on POIS recovery. I found they did but they weren't a complete solution for me.

Even if you're lactose intolerant there are some whey proteins available which have very low lactose content, probiotics and little or no artificial sweeteners or flavours. Stuff I wouldn't mind taking every day (& I did :)). I used to use one. Not all amino acid supplements fall into this category and I found some very difficult to digest which is how I ended up taking algae.

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« Reply #16333 on: 05/05/2012 21:07:31 »
As a lactose intolerant, I'm glad to hear this, kurtosis.

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« Reply #16334 on: 05/05/2012 21:41:55 »

Here is one interesting question for everyone:

Did you remember the details of the instance or day that POIS first started occuring?



Excellent question.

I do not remember and wish I could.

I usually say "my POIS began 30+ years ago".

Only because that is as far back as I can remember connecting-the-dots-between-sex-and-symptoms=POIS. It takes many members here years before they see the connection. Sometimes POIS is really only felt  _two_  days after sex.

Conceivably, POIS for me could have started as far back as 50 years ago.

alphaq, this might be a good question for our polling center:
http://poiscenter.com/forums/index.php?board=15.0

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« Reply #16335 on: 05/05/2012 23:37:23 »
Here is one interesting question for everyone:

Did you remember the details of the instance or day that POIS first started occuring? Specifically, what I mean is this:

- Do you believe that after having one particular orgasm, you felt/knew something was wrong or different? (or was it the next morning?)
- Anything different/remarkable about how you were masturbating/having sex, or the frequency of masturbation that day or week?


My first symptom was sharp back pain that would happen in the day(s) following orgasm. The back pain went away before long but was replaced with mental distress.

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« Reply #16336 on: 06/05/2012 00:28:51 »
When you think about what weight lifters use these supplements for (recovering from extreme physical exertion) then it's possible that they have an effect on POIS recovery. I found they did but they weren't a complete solution for me.

Even if you're lactose intolerant there are some whey proteins available which have very low lactose content, probiotics and little or no artificial sweeteners or flavours. Stuff I wouldn't mind taking every day (& I did :)). I used to use one. Not all amino acid supplements fall into this category and I found some very difficult to digest which is how I ended up taking algae.

I have taken WPI (Whey Protein Isolate) on and off over the years, with some brands indicationg that it had been processed to such a level that no lactose remained. Its superior to whey or WPC in this regard. After a little while though I still would have trouble with it which was a shame as it is such a great source of protien with great amino acid profile. As part of a gym program though I was taking multiple scoops each day, every day...increasing intolerance (not allergy) to something in it...maybe its not the lactose but just the protien source. I had a blood test that showed I was fine for goats milk, and initally I was, but after a little while I ended up with continuous digestive troubles. Since I do go to the gym, I take extra protein with Hempseed Protein + Pea Protein and tolerate these. I dont think whey will make a huge difference for anyone here as regards pois, but if they do go to the gym, then yes it will. I know when I took extra protein supplements I felt a lot better with my gym program (hair + skin + sleep + anxiety + muscle definition were better) Whey is big business now but not too long ago it was considered worthless by product and thrown away.

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« Reply #16337 on: 06/05/2012 02:45:17 »
I've been taking 2g of Vitamin C (Nature Made, 500mg), and drinking 4 glasses of high-calcium milk (Anlene, high-calcium milk powder) daily during my POIS (caused by nocturnal emission). I actually feel the difference (my symptoms are mainly in my brain). I'll continue with this approach and see if it further improves my symptoms. I'm on abstinence too. 

Besides, I found the following book contains lots of practical information on nutrition (from which we could gain inspiration on finding the cure for POIS): Adelle Davis, Let's Eat Right to Keep Fit. It's very helpful to me.

The following websites contains lots of information on cortisol and its effects on our body. I list them down in an order of their usefulness. I hope it saves your time in searching the cortisol-related information:
newbielink:http://stress.about.com/od/stresshealth/a/cortisol.htm [nonactive]
newbielink:http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview/id/757599.html [nonactive]
newbielink:http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview?id=252375 [nonactive]

I'd ordered Relora from Vitacost as well. I'll try it when it reaches me in the mid of May.

*Thanks warriors, you made me feel like I'm not fighting it all alone.*
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« Reply #16338 on: 06/05/2012 05:43:04 »
Welcome back, warrior : - )

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« Reply #16339 on: 06/05/2012 11:14:43 »
When you think about what weight lifters use these supplements for (recovering from extreme physical exertion) then it's possible that they have an effect on POIS recovery. I found they did but they weren't a complete solution for me.

Even if you're lactose intolerant there are some whey proteins available which have very low lactose content, probiotics and little or no artificial sweeteners or flavours. Stuff I wouldn't mind taking every day (& I did :)). I used to use one. Not all amino acid supplements fall into this category and I found some very difficult to digest which is how I ended up taking algae.

I have taken WPI (Whey Protein Isolate) on and off over the years, with some brands indicationg that it had been processed to such a level that no lactose remained. Its superior to whey or WPC in this regard. After a little while though I still would have trouble with it which was a shame as it is such a great source of protien with great amino acid profile. As part of a gym program though I was taking multiple scoops each day, every day...increasing intolerance (not allergy) to something in it...maybe its not the lactose but just the protien source. I had a blood test that showed I was fine for goats milk, and initally I was, but after a little while I ended up with continuous digestive troubles. Since I do go to the gym, I take extra protein with Hempseed Protein + Pea Protein and tolerate these. I dont think whey will make a huge difference for anyone here as regards pois, but if they do go to the gym, then yes it will. I know when I took extra protein supplements I felt a lot better with my gym program (hair + skin + sleep + anxiety + muscle definition were better) Whey is big business now but not too long ago it was considered worthless by product and thrown away.

I know. Most of the cheese manufacturers near where I live make as much or more money from supplying ingredients to sports supplements companies as they do from boring old cheese and milk. Funny how times change. I think WPI with creatine and glutamine will undoubtedly have some effect on cognitive symptoms as some amino acids in isolation and the other 2 ingredients have been shown to have a beneficial effect on mental stamina as well as physical stamina. This was my experience and is aside from any concerns about the long term safety of ingesting creatine or L-glutamine.

But if POIS has an autoimmune element then POIS sufferers may have problems in extracting the nutrients from these foods and would eventually become allergic to them. That was my experience which is why I ended up taking algae capsules and vitamin C every morning. I felt the protein was doing me good but I just couldn't stomach, literally, drinking more whey protein. I tried soya protein too but that was worse and gave me really bad gas.

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« Reply #16340 on: 06/05/2012 16:52:49 »
Hi everyone,

I tried Vitamin C tablet with sea salt for 15 days under the supervision of doctor.  For first 5 days, I felt a dramatical improvement in recovery of POIS symptoms.  But after words as usual, this medicine is also become dead / inactive (after successful for few days).  I don't know why this is happen in POIS.  I have experienced 20 to 25 medicines which worked initially, but as time moves (within 15 days), the medicine will inactive and not respond to in positive way. 

My doctor also astonished after seeing my results and he does not know how the medicine iniitially works and later become inactive and finally he quits his treatment.   He suggested there is no problem physical and he concluded POIS for me is a pyschological one which is caused by negative energy / black magic  and he suggested to go in this way and he has the assurance that there will be cure.    I apologies for mentioning this negative energy / black magic in this science forum.  I not at all has belief in these aspects.  But due to my doctors advice, I am going to go in this way and lets see what will happen.

What is your views about this? Is any one think, whether POIS is because of negative energy in mind / black magic / misconception about sex in mind?  As any one tried this option?

 


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« Reply #16341 on: 06/05/2012 17:31:47 »
Hi everyone,

I tried Vitamin C tablet with sea salt for 15 days under the supervision of doctor.  For first 5 days, I felt a dramatical improvement in recovery of POIS symptoms.  But after words as usual, this medicine is also become dead / inactive (after successful for few days).  I don't know why this is happen in POIS.  I have experienced 20 to 25 medicines which worked initially, but as time moves (within 15 days), the medicine will inactive and not respond to in positive way. 

My doctor also astonished after seeing my results and he does not know how the medicine iniitially works and later become inactive and finally he quits his treatment.   He suggested there is no problem physical and he concluded POIS for me is a pyschological one which is caused by negative energy / black magic  and he suggested to go in this way and he has the assurance that there will be cure.    I apologies for mentioning this negative energy / black magic in this science forum.  I not at all has belief in these aspects.  But due to my doctors advice, I am going to go in this way and lets see what will happen.

What is your views about this? Is any one think, whether POIS is because of negative energy in mind / black magic / misconception about sex in mind?  As any one tried this option?
It does seem slightly odd that your doctor is talking about negative energy and black magic.  That said you may be feeling so depressed and anxious about POIS that that needs to be treated aswell. What did your doctor say exactly?

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« Reply #16342 on: 07/05/2012 03:03:26 »
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What is your views about this? Is any one think, whether POIS is because of negative energy in mind / black magic / misconception about sex in mind?  As any one tried this option?

Based on my 20 years of POIS experience, I totally don't think it is due to negative energy in mind / black magic / misconception about sex in mind. However, in my humble opinion, our psychological condition does affect hormone secretion, and hence is indirectly inducing the occurance of POIS.

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« Reply #16343 on: 07/05/2012 08:00:10 »
of course no,

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« Reply #16344 on: 07/05/2012 13:18:07 »



THANKS, EDS!!!


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« Reply #16345 on: 07/05/2012 15:47:36 »
Last night I tried taking niacin sublingually in order to get a flush without having to fast, but it didn't work. I took the same amount I usually take when I fast (300mg) and I let the powder from the first two 100mg caps sit under my tongue for 5 min each then I just swallowed the powder from the third cap right away.

My stomach wasn't completely stuffed. I would say it was about 1/2 to 3/4 full or at least felt like it. I'm not sure if the niacin had it's usual effect - I'll report on that later.
Taking fenugreek+tea/garlic, saw palmetto, huperzine, niacin, boswellia, and nutmeg.

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« Reply #16346 on: 07/05/2012 19:27:32 »
Last night I tried taking niacin sublingually in order to get a flush without having to fast, but it didn't work. I took the same amount I usually take when I fast (300mg) and I let the powder from the first two 100mg caps sit under my tongue for 5 min each then I just swallowed the powder from the third cap right away.

My stomach wasn't completely stuffed. I would say it was about 1/2 to 3/4 full or at least felt like it. I'm not sure if the niacin had it's usual effect - I'll report on that later.

I usually take 100mg in a closed capsule, if that doesn't do it I put 50mg morepowder directly on the tongue, and wait, if that doesn't work, 50 more and wait etc. Until about 300mg (even after fasting).

However Sun night. I said the hell with it, I had recently eaten something so I took 200mg powder directly on the tongue and got a flush within about 7 min.

So it seems that taking it in minor doses  even though they are separated only by 15 minutes, isn't as powerful.

If you are used to 300, I think it should be safe to take the whole 300 in powder form, especially if you have recently eaten.

If you have never taken niacin, don't start with 300mg, especially in powdered form directly on the tongue. You should know your dosage before doing this. Even then, first trials should be on the light side.

How does Murphey do it??

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« Reply #16347 on: 07/05/2012 20:50:58 »
See, everyone?

This is a  _GROUP_  effort.

Sorry, loners!

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« Reply #16348 on: 07/05/2012 21:49:25 »
Testosterone (TRT) watchers:

Started my treatment in 2009. Just now reduced my testosterone dosage 50% and I'm still POIS-free for several months.

I will now further reduce an additional 20% of my daily dosage to 8mg/daily patches to see if I remain POIS-free.

Part of the reason behind my reduction is that Watson Pharma, the manufacture of my Androderm patches, just changed their patch-dosage to either 4mg or 6mg instead of the 5mg (x3=15mg daily is my Rx) that I've been taking these last 2 and 1/2 years.

My choice was to up the dosage or come down. My GP chose the higher dose, I chose the latter. I now realize that POIS must be a JOINT-EFFORT or true partnership between physician and POIS-patient. Why? Because we know more about POIS than the docs do.

If you're interested in exploring TRT for POIS, find yourself an 'open' (a college/university-teaching/research physician is preferred, in my opinion) endocrinologist and make an appointment. Bring Dr. Waldinger's papers (explained below).

At my first appointment, I told my endo that Dr Waldinger's co-author in all his POIS studies, is an endocrinologist, Dr. Dave Schweitzer.

That helped.

Even in 2009 : - )

And...
Study the fertility risks if you want children!

 
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« Reply #16349 on: 07/05/2012 22:18:05 »

BECAUSE OF YOUR POSTED REMINDER, HABIBOU, I JUST NOW CONVERTED MY PLEDGE OF AN ADDITIONAL $1,000.00 IN TO SOME HARD CASH - I DONATED THE EXTRA $1,000.00 AS I PROMISED. THANK YOU FOR REMINDING ME.

THANK YOU SO MUCH DEMO !!! This is such a huge amount and I wish I could afford to do the same :O

You are very, very welcome, Habibou.

You are a most valued contributor to both forums.