[John21 (OP)]

Hey everyone. It has been a while since I was on the forum, I now have better internet access so I can participate again. Currently I am still chaste as usual, and I have had infrequent NEs to contend with for quite a while. I have been working on improving my insomnia for the longest time as it has been the biggest dragon to fight (Insomnia caused by years and years of POIS thrashings).

Recently I began taking protein powder and have had beneficial mental results. My thinking is clearer and anxiety is reduced as a result. My sleeping has definitely improved, it is not "normal" yet but much improved such that I feel better the next day. The protein power is made from vegetable sources, I chose this opposed to whey protein as milk seemed to make my POIS worse years ago. The brand is "Vegan Proteins+", "a complete protein with a balance of all essential amino acids, easy to digest protein from pea, cranberry, brown rice, alfalfa, and hemp".

Last weekend I had the first NE in a long time, and I was curious to see what would happen. Initially I had the mental sensation that something had changed, like my brain was wired and my sleep was poor that night. The next day I had back pain in the shoulder blade area that reminded me of the POIS I initially experienced when I was very young. The good news is that it has been over a week and I haven't experienced any of the serious POIS symptoms: short term memory loss, swollen glands, burnout. So did the protein shield me from POIS? Is it building up my neurotransmitters? Perhaps...

I should also mention the other things I did following the NE. I ate anti-inflammatory foods which always diminished my POIS (garlic, sweet potatoes, blueberries, etc). But, even though these foods would reduce the initial symptoms I would always get a "Phase B" of my POIS: burnout, deadheadedness. I didn't get any of that this time.

I am not claiming any cure, but I thought I'd post my experience because the result of taking the protein is at least a definite improvement for me apart from POIS. I am convinced enough to suggest that protein power ought to be standard protocol for anyone that suffers cognitively: anxiety, depression, insomnia. If my future NEs continue to produce no horrible symptoms (or if they do) I will report.

John21

[John21 (OP)]

hi every body
 all pios symptoms refer to cardiac illnes  ,trouble with heart

please try this check  ( Echocardiography) it is an echo test shown your heart cleary

all symptoms refer to that you may have a trouble with your heat valves

it happen if you have got a rhumatic fever in your childhood whitch directly affect your heart valves

that makes your heart work with nogood

The heart? Can you explain why you make this suggestion?

[John21 (OP)]

boha90, thanks for the reply. We all see the problems of others through the lens of our own experience. I have never had any heart related symptoms that I know of...quite sure POIS is something else, at least for me.

[edhawk10]

hi every body
 all pios symptoms refer to cardiac illnes  ,trouble with heart

please try this check  ( Echocardiography) it is an echo test shown your heart cleary

all symptoms refer to that you may have a trouble with your heat valves

it happen if you have got a rhumatic fever in your childhood whitch directly affect your heart valves

that makes your heart work with nogood

The heart? Can you explain why you make this suggestion?

Yeah there's really no need for vague statements like that one.  If you have a good explanation for why it could be heart i'm all ears.

Not sure who it was that mentioned about protein powder but i find that quite interesting. Not long ago i realized how little protein i was taking and decided to try and have more fish(sardines, tuna), chicken, steak(which i rarely ate before), and so on. I can safely say that for me it makes a significant difference in terms of brain fog being much less.

[B_Daniel]

Protein powder definitely helps me too.  There are very few supplements i can take which have near-immediate positive effects, but protein is one of them.  Im glad others have noticed the same.

[johanstefansson]

John21 i Will try proteins. Thanks for the heads up.

[Prancer]

Yeah, I'm helped by protein powder too. I bought some a few months ago. The brand I got is called optimum nutrition. I picked that one because it has lots of good reviews and a high rating & also because there are many different flavors to choose from (the one I got is cookies and cream). Helps a lot and tastes good too.

[CertainlyPOIS]

More Good News from daveman. People living in and near spain can you consider this. It can be the breakthrough we are looking for.
                                                                                         


Dr. Salamanca of Madrid, who has worked with us in the past, and who did a POIS survey, which we announced here and which many of you answered,
has begun a new treatment which seems to have fairly good results.

Unfortunately I do not know much about the treatment, but have heard from at least one of his patients, who has reported good results from this treatment.

Dr. Salamanca is looking for people near Spain who could participate in more extensive tests
of this treatment.

Those who are interested, would have to go to his office in Madrid, as the tests require strict control and regular monitoring.

Members interested would have to be pre-screened and several tests would have to be taken beforehand. Unfortunately I do not know how often you would
be required to report to his office.

Interested members send me and Demo a PM expressing your interest, and we will pass your EMail and data to the good doctor, from whence you could continue
your contact personally.

I'm sorry that he cannot open the testing for now without personal appearances in his office, we could reach many more of you this way, but it
is important that these initial tests are controlled and closely monitored.

[nathan123]

Hi another interested fact on POIS. 

As i posted around 4 to 5 months back, When I was in POIS, my AEC count was 1500 whereas the normal range is 300 to 400.  As I updated from the past one and half month, I cured from POIS due to traditional ayurvedic treatment.  Last week, I undergone AEC test again to know is there any variation after curing from POIS.  surprisiing to know that now AEC count come to normal range and it is only 350.   

[Prancer]

With POIS my brain feels dim like when someone dims a light bulb. It takes more time & effort to think even about basic things. And sometimes even simple things stress me out because my thoughts are so repetitive. Along with the physical fatigue, the mental fatigue is just so much worse for me.

About the eosinophil count, I read that high eosinophils are caused mostly by allergies or another immune response, so very interesting.

[Gbolduev]

Nathan,

AEC came down ,since you were taking antiparasites  medicine. Your POIS was  from  parasites.   And parasites  were from  low  acid in your stomach,  which was  causes by low thyroid.  Low thyroid  stays  as it was, and parasites will come back .  I  saw many  people get rid of POIS by drinking antiparasites  stuff,  especially in  India, where it is considered a problem.  After a  while the same  problem always came back , since  body chemistry  was not changed and parasites  wont go away.

[aspagnito]

Listen guys,
You've been posting thousands of posts and I think that maybe the sollution for this problem is very simple - not that you need testosterone, because you're less man (especially because lots of you have normal testosterone). I figured out, that maybe, just maybe you just MASTURBATE TOO FAST.
Just try, because it took me years to work on my technique and not have the feeling of guilt and hangover after masturbation. For 10-15 minutes masturbate as slow as you can, and after that speed it up. Instead of hangoer you'll be having a long lasting feeling of pleasure. That's from my observations. Maybe you guys, just writing here are so impressed by the big energy and speed that you just do that too fast. Oh come on... even if you do that with yourself you still need a foreplay.

[johanstefansson]

Listen guys,
You've been posting thousands of posts and I think that maybe the sollution for this problem is very simple - not that you need testosterone, because you're less man (especially because lots of you have normal testosterone). I figured out, that maybe, just maybe you just MASTURBATE TOO FAST.
Just try, because it took me years to work on my technique and not have the feeling of guilt and hangover after masturbation. For 10-15 minutes masturbate as slow as you can, and after that speed it up. Instead of hangoer you'll be having a long lasting feeling of pleasure. That's from my observations. Maybe you guys, just writing here are so impressed by the big energy and speed that you just do that too fast. Oh come on... even if you do that with yourself you still need a foreplay.

I do think that most guys can masturbate quite frequently and in any way without severe consequences. How would this i.e. explain the flu like symptoms? I would agree to having feelings of guilt after masturbation, is quite troublesome. Reminds me of all the porn I consumed throughout the years. I do not really want to masturbate any longer since i know this effects my state of mind negatively. Upon masturbation I do get a different breathing that sometimes effects my heart, almost like a cardiac arrest for a millisecond.

[johanstefansson]

Found a very interesting post on yourbrainonporn.com, a guy struggling to deal with porn addiction:

- "After that, I was struggling for one month to get myself back on track with rebooting. There were relapses every few days, at least two of them with porn. I realised I had to stop visiting those dating sites immediately. It was hard, because I was already chatting with some girls, and had a prospect of at least three dates. Nevertheless, I blocked all the sites.
Now I'm back on track and this is my day 16 of no PMO. First week I experienced some cravings, but I managed.
Second week there were another bunch of symptoms that I hadn't experienced before: severe anxiety (fear of losing my mind), depression, feelings of worthlessness, whole week-long flu (which may or may not be related to my reboot)."

[aspagnito]

Okay..
Do an experiment. Lay on a bed and move your arms as slow as you can. Just fold your elbows with the greatest slowlyness you can. Move for at least two hours like that (that is a long experiment). Work=slowlyness, in this case. What you'll feel in your entire body.. is something near to orgasm and you'll feel that less, but for quite a longer time.
Recently I just watched one guy on YTb prooving, that there's nothing better, (in working in gym), than very slow progress, that makes the training more efficient.
YOU will never know, unless you try.
Besides.
Lots of guys said that they have normal testosterone and most of the body parameters where normal. Yet some still claim that the testosterone is guilty. Well... maybe a higher dose of testosterone (being on dope) can mask the problem, but still not solve the problem.
I do not have POIS. But... if there's somebody with POIS willing to try, I can give you some courage saying it would be a little blast of irony - thousands tried to find the most complicated answer ever when the sollution is much more than simple.

[meteo74]

Hi nathan123

Can you make A Summary about your treatment,and what you advise us to do..
if there is Herbs please tell us how ..

[gondal4]

I have adrenal dysfunction/fatigue and this might be cause of my pois,can someone suggest anything to overcome adrenal fatigue specifically?

[POIS-SUFFERER]

I have adrenal dysfunction/fatigue and this might be cause of my pois,can someone suggest anything to overcome adrenal fatigue specifically?

Can you tell me what POIS feels like to you, I think I am also suffering the same.
Thanks.

[B_Daniel]

The taste of beer, without any effect from alcohol itself, can trigger dopamine release in the brain, which is associated with drinking and other drugs of abuse, according to Indiana University School of Medicine researchers.

I've noticed that if i have 1 - 1.5 beers, my POIS seems to get better and I feel happier.  We know there's a relationship between dopamine and POIS, so this makes sense.  However, alcohol makes my pois worse in other ways, so after beer #2 I typically no longer feel as good.  I'll have to try the fake beer, and see how that makes me feel.  Interesting post. 

[desperate man]

Hi guys!

Long time no see.For a long time I thought that POIS is either a symptom of diabetes or adrenal insufficiency but rarely I get the symptoms without even having orgasm or pulling down my pants.

There has been countless amount of threads that low dopamine could be the culprit.Let me tell you this.
I did genetic testing as well as a good female friend.
Our genome is the closest,we think the same and we've been through the same traumas and we share the same symptoms (except POIS).

This will surprise you but her lab results showed EXCESSIVE DOPAMINE.I'm really paranoid and AFAIK that is a symptom of high dopamine.Do have tremors but that could be easily explained by the excessive adrenaline just the way her lab results show.

When I get POIS triggered without masturbation it's usually when I look up a porn site or thinking about doing so.I think porn makes such a crazy spike in dopamine it's too much for the ANS to handle therefore your prolactin shoots up sky high to avoid brain and heart damage from the dopamine overload.

I have been very paranoid the past months and since I started smoking again I have lost motivation to exercise,feel chronic fatigue and started eating junk foods again.But the main thing is that my paranoia has lessened also.A study I've found says that people who smoke have usually high dopamine and that's how why they brain look for stimulants to try to keep the levels at bay.

I understand you will tell me that you have POIS after having sex but here's my theory: porn creates permanent damage in your brain.So does SSRIs (my case) and it's been the trigger for my POIS.
You remember your high school years where you couldn't fall asleep before an exam although you have calmed yourself down?
That is because you aren't controlling your body,it's controlling you! Your subconscious mind controlls you.
If it's occupied with negative thoughts you will have negative outcome doesn't matter if you have a clear mind,you have no idea what's going on with you subconsciously and I do think some kind of remorse or past time trauma is acting up.
I remember barricading myself in my own room with chairs and stuff and even locked the door (notice paranoid,addictive high dopamine personality) so no one could come in and I can do my masturbation sessions happily.
But prior to that I remember being caught by my mother, she opened up on me when I was standing there naked shooting my load on the floor and being embarassed.That was 10 years ago and I clearly remember her words (notice PTSD) and trying to make me feel remorse (rewiring my brain that masturbation is wrong)
So many years have passed and we have never talked about this.And I can guarantee that you can feel calm,you can make yourself feel relaxed but your subconscious mind knows what's going on and if it senses a person giving you PTSD in the past and is nearby,you will end up with POIS no matter what.
I think PTSD could be one cause for POIS.