Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #2300 on: 05/12/2008 18:20:15 »
I never took antidepressants, but Anafranil, a tricyclic, was the first choice of my MD in my case. Also I read that this drug is used to treat premature ejaculation (10mg/day). But there are a lot of side effects, and a lot of natural treatments for premature ejaculation to try before.

This reminds me, my endocrinologist pointed out to me that the 2 men who Dr. Waldinger studied both had spontaneous ejaculation! I wonder if that makes a difference when applying his findings to people like me, who don't have that problem?

ps - if anyone wishes a copy of the classic POIS study by Dr Waldinger, just send Martin88 a Private Message (click "Messages" at the top of the screen) and give him your email address to send it.
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« Reply #2301 on: 05/12/2008 20:05:33 »
DOPAMINE---

My mother died of Multiple Sclerosis and Parkinsons---
I recall in those old days, there was a discussion of Dopamine--
I always assumed that she could not produce enough of it---
I have read somewhere about iodine being related to Dopamine
production--I just started thinking of this today--Is that crazy?
I've had POIS for over 20 years and I'm 60 years old!!! I'm going to ask
a doctor about that today. This is my first time to see her. She has doctorate in Biochemistry, researched Parkinsons, but she is a Chiropractor. I'm going for accupuncture and Trigger Point, but I selected her because she was on my insurance list AND she is a Biochemist. Only chiropractic is covered, but I will ask her
other questions relating to Dopamine---My case may be genetic, but the Dopamine correlation may be very interesting----
UNDERWATER

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« Reply #2302 on: 05/12/2008 21:05:40 »
GIRLWIND   AND    IODINE

I read so many pages the other day, I'm not positive it was you who commented on Iodine. If it was, could you please elaborate a bit on how it fits into your thinking and, if you add idodine to your diet, how do you do it? Food, Supplements? Do you know of any correlation between idodine and dopamine?
Thanks  Underwater

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« Reply #2303 on: 05/12/2008 22:17:50 »
GIRLWIND   AND    IODINE

I read so many pages the other day, I'm not positive it was you who commented on Iodine. If it was, could you please elaborate a bit on how it fits into your thinking and, if you add idodine to your diet, how do you do it? Food, Supplements? Do you know of any correlation between idodine and dopamine?
Thanks  Underwater

Yes it was probably me who contributed a lot of info on iodine.

I don't have any idea how iodine influences dopamine response in the body. The reason I began using it is because
I became very deficient in it, due to the fact that I hadn't used any sea food or sea salt products for many years. I'm
very concerned about ingesting anything from the ocean, as it has become like a toxic waste/sewage dump, and I
have already had enough problems with toxicity issues in my past.

To make a long story short, I finally found sources of seaweed from Iceland that are guaranteed organic, and have
slowly begun to increase my intake of these. My interest in iodine is to help my thyroid, which as I recently learned,
is hypothyroid. For me the thyroid deficiency and adrenal deficiency seem to go together, and both affect my CFS
and POIS symptoms. The seaweed along with Ashwaganda (an herb to help thyroid) has improved my energy and
shortened my POIS days as well as my worst POIS symptoms. Because I have multiple health issues, it will take a
while before I can see solid long term results.


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« Reply #2304 on: 06/12/2008 01:43:38 »
DOPAMINE---

My mother died of Multiple Sclerosis and Parkinsons---
I recall in those old days, there was a discussion of Dopamine--
I always assumed that she could not produce enough of it---
I have read somewhere about iodine being related to Dopamine
production--I just started thinking of this today--Is that crazy?
I've had POIS for over 20 years and I'm 60 years old!!! I'm going to ask
a doctor about that today. This is my first time to see her. She has doctorate in Biochemistry, researched Parkinsons, but she is a Chiropractor. I'm going for accupuncture and Trigger Point, but I selected her because she was on my insurance list AND she is a Biochemist. Only chiropractic is covered, but I will ask her
other questions relating to Dopamine---My case may be genetic, but the Dopamine correlation may be very interesting----
UNDERWATER

Underwater, below are the results of a custom Google search of dopamine mentions on this POIS forum site. Often the MessageID is in the link, so you can more easily find the message:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=dopamine+POIS+site%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.thenakedscientists.com&btnG=Search

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« Reply #2305 on: 06/12/2008 02:17:40 »
DOPAMINE---

My mother died of Multiple Sclerosis and Parkinsons---
I recall in those old days, there was a discussion of Dopamine--
I always assumed that she could not produce enough of it---
I have read somewhere about iodine being related to Dopamine
production--I just started thinking of this today--Is that crazy?
I've had POIS for over 20 years and I'm 60 years old!!! I'm going to ask
a doctor about that today. This is my first time to see her. She has doctorate in Biochemistry, researched Parkinsons, but she is a Chiropractor. I'm going for accupuncture and Trigger Point, but I selected her because she was on my insurance list AND she is a Biochemist. Only chiropractic is covered, but I will ask her
other questions relating to Dopamine---My case may be genetic, but the Dopamine correlation may be very interesting----
UNDERWATER

My Father, Uncle and cousin all died from MS.  I have often thought there was a genetic connection between that and what I now call POIS.  Wondering if any one else here has a family history of it?
   

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« Reply #2306 on: 06/12/2008 20:27:20 »
POIS is NOT a destruction of neurons. But  the level of dopamine  might drop after ejaculation.

B_Jim, thanks for clarifying this for us!

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« Reply #2307 on: 06/12/2008 20:30:53 »
My mother died of Multiple Sclerosis and Parkinsons--

My Father, Uncle and cousin all died from MS.

Underwater and Finally: very sorry to hear of this!

The father of a very close friend of my wife and me just last week died of MS. Not related to POIS I know, but it makes me think of MS these days.
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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #2308 on: 06/12/2008 21:22:56 »



When we hit PAGE 100, to
celebrate.................I propose
that we get Counterpoints to fly us
all to this fine POIS Retreat!!!


:P.  I was recently talking with a Dr. about how this thread is growing at a phenomenal rate.  It took about 1.5 years to reach about 30 pages... and then only about 4-5 months later we are at 100 pages!
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« Reply #2309 on: 07/12/2008 01:11:29 »
In the past i had one orgasm a day, i had this specific tremors (especialy head tremors).
exactly the same for me, specially in stressful situations.

I'm also interested to know what body types do fellow sufferers of POIS have? Ectomorph, Mesomorph, Endomorph?

Personally, I'm on the ectomorph side.
more ectomorph. Our weights and heights are in the pois form.

When we hit PAGE 100, to
celebrate.................I propose
that we get Counterpoints to fly us
all to this fine POIS Retreat!!!

I'm still waiting for my ticket  [;D]

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« Reply #2310 on: 07/12/2008 04:34:28 »
Check out this article on dopamine depletion and what the sypmtoms were... it's eerie.

http://www.reuniting.info/science/articles/acute_dopamine_depletion_causes_psychological_distress

There could be something here that points to dopamine depletion as the primary cause of the symptoms... now what is causing the dopamine depletion to such low levels for so long in some people?  Has anyone tried any of the dopamine agonist drugs for treatment?

Examples of dopamine agonists include:

Parlodel (bromocriptine)
Dostinex (cabergoline)
Permax (pergolide) - Removed from market March 29,2007.[2]
Mirapex (pramipexole)
Requip (ropinirole)
Apokyn (apomorphine)
Neupro (rotigotine)

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« Reply #2311 on: 07/12/2008 08:55:56 »
Check out this article on dopamine depletion and what the sypmtoms were... it's eerie.

http://www.reuniting.info/science/articles/acute_dopamine_depletion_causes_psychological_distress

There could be something here that points to dopamine depletion as the primary cause of the symptoms... now what is causing the dopamine depletion to such low levels for so long in some people?  Has anyone tried any of the dopamine agonist drugs for treatment?

Examples of dopamine agonists include:

Parlodel (bromocriptine)
Dostinex (cabergoline)
Permax (pergolide) - Removed from market March 29,2007.[2]
Mirapex (pramipexole)
Requip (ropinirole)
Apokyn (apomorphine)
Neupro (rotigotine)


That is so scary the symptoms seem so similar to pois.   And progresses in similar manner. We need to find out who did this experiment and tell the person about our situation..
That can explain why intensive protein diet helps reduce pois symptoms.
Protein is the building material for dopamine.

After finals i am going to test out relora together with all protein diet before and after orgasm. And post results.  I expect good results because a day after an NE i ate sh1t load of chicken and beef and i think am experiencing good results.  Downside I cant go to sleeep.

And I have concluded relora helps my situation but only about 50%. It reduces tiredness considerable and
This can explain why

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« Reply #2312 on: 07/12/2008 08:57:13 »
reduces tiredness and brain fog

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« Reply #2313 on: 07/12/2008 13:27:25 »
Fava beans and velvet beans (& Fenugreek sprouts) are good natural sources of L-Dopa, the precursor to dopamine.  There are also l-dopa supplements on the market.  These may me very helpful in restoring depleted dopamine.

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« Reply #2314 on: 07/12/2008 13:45:19 »
POIS strikes me too.  My symptoms have been:

lethargy
derealization (can't describe this accurately... it's like the outside world is at the end of a tunnel or seen through a piece of plexiglass.
light sensitivity
reduced memory
reduced concentration
reduced speaking ability (difficulty putting thoughts into spoken sentences)
social inhibition

Symptoms are strongest at 1-3 days, tailing off over the course of a week or so.  Of course, after two weeks of not having orgasm I have other symptoms to deal with...  

In addition, I have acne that's directly related to my orgasm timing and frequency.    

Another weird thing is that a few orgasms results in the skin on a portion of the inside of my earlobes sloughing off and a clear, slightly sticky fluid being secreted where the skin came off.  I have no clue what that's about, and I've found no one else with this problem.

I think I'm just going to go celibate again for a while. :undecided:  

 


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« Reply #2316 on: 07/12/2008 18:15:01 »
Just Brainstorming here: Dopamine, Iodine, POIS-Recovery, Thyroid, Girlwind Response

If POIS could be triggered by steep Dopamine depletion after orgasm, and an unfortunately long period of time passes before Dopamine replenishes (and POIS ends), could it be that there may be a mineral dificiency (such as IODINE)that slows down  the necessary dopamine synthesis to facilitate faster recovery. This "train of thought" follows Girlwind's response to my iodine/dopamine question where she mentions that iodine helps her Thyroid condition and POIS, but did not know of an idodine/dopamine connection. In notes sitting on my desk, I observed that in the Journal of Orthomolecular Medicine vol.14 3rd quarter 1999 there was an article that  connected Dopamine, Iodine and even the Thyroid gland. This article addresses in part  the iodine deficiency in Parkinson's and Multiple Sclerosis and its link to Dopamine. Wouldn't it be great if there was just a mineral/s dificiency that would fix our problems? If you look at the symptoms of general iodine deficiency and then consider significant iodine deficiency and dopamine, maybe there is something here to be investigated. I need to take an iodine deficiency test.

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« Reply #2317 on: 07/12/2008 20:27:26 »
Purely on the wanting to let people know. I have a habit of working out for 3 months, feeling a lot better, and then getting really busy with work and slowly feeling worse again.

Hitting the gym really does help me. I know that working out regularly does result in increased testosterone levels according to at least 1 study.

It's pretty easy for me to get back into the swing of things at the gym. I do back and biceps one day, chest and triceps another, and legs/core on another. Each day I follow up the weights with an aerobic workout.

Has anyone else benefited from exercise?
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« Reply #2318 on: 08/12/2008 04:41:28 »
Whoa, exercise does help increase my confidence and motivation, and reduces POIS symptoms.

ALL - I'll be having blood work done again and would your suggestions for what to test for.  So far I have:

Dopamine
Prolactin
Cortisol

What else should I test for?

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« Reply #2319 on: 08/12/2008 07:14:45 »
POIS strikes me too.  My symptoms have been:

lethargy
derealization (can't describe this accurately... it's like the outside world is at the end of a tunnel or seen through a piece of plexiglass.
light sensitivity
reduced memory
reduced concentration
reduced speaking ability (difficulty putting thoughts into spoken sentences)
social inhibition

Symptoms are strongest at 1-3 days, tailing off over the course of a week or so.  Of course, after two weeks of not having orgasm I have other symptoms to deal with...  

In addition, I have acne that's directly related to my orgasm timing and frequency.    

Another weird thing is that a few orgasms results in the skin on a portion of the inside of my earlobes sloughing off and a clear, slightly sticky fluid being secreted where the skin came off.  I have no clue what that's about, and I've found no one else with this problem.

I think I'm just going to go celibate again for a while. :undecided:  

This is a remarkable symptom that keeps appearing with POIS sufferers "reduced speaking ability (difficulty putting thoughts into spoken sentences)".  I think it may lead us to something very definite, if we are persistent with researchers.  Thoughts form, but we have trouble expressing them in POIS.

Welcome! Here is the POIS questionnaire, which we are getting reviewed by researchers.  Your responses would be helpful.
http://pois.olympe-network.com
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« Reply #2320 on: 08/12/2008 07:17:51 »
Whoa, exercise does help increase my confidence and motivation, and reduces POIS symptoms.

ALL - I'll be having blood work done again and would your suggestions for what to test for.  So far I have:

Dopamine
Prolactin
Cortisol

What else should I test for?

TSH, T3, and T4.  My TSH and T4 were normal, but my T3 was flagged.  (You could mention that these were the results for someone in a similar condition, since sometimes physicians will be hesitant to order T3 or T4 tests "without cause").  B12 and DHEA tests might also be useful.  For cortisol testing, you'd want the AM test and the PM test. (So you can see how cortisol is suppressed).  You may also want a glucose tolerance test, and a 24 hr urine cortisol test.  Just some ideas. :)

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« Reply #2321 on: 08/12/2008 15:38:18 »
Whoa, exercise does help increase my confidence and motivation, and reduces POIS symptoms.

ALL - I'll be having blood work done again and would your suggestions for what to test for.  So far I have:

Dopamine
Prolactin
Cortisol

What else should I test for?

Whoa-- I agree that it would be good for cortisol tests to include both am and pm levels. This is why I prefer
the saliva tests that ZRT Labs offer. They have FOUR cortisol tests--am, noon, afternoon and evening saliva. This
gives you a thorough profile of your cortisol levels throughout the day.

You could also test these hormones: Free Testosterone, DHEA-S, IGF-1 (which evaluates pituitary function),
Free T3, Free T4, TSH, TPO and Reverse T3 (which all evaluate thyroid function.)

(Both my cortisol and my Free T3 were too low, as I have adrenal fatigue and hypothyroidism issues.)

It might also be good to get a complete blood chemistry, which will include a big panel of tests like: fasting
glucose, the electrolytes (sodium, potassium, chloride, calcium, phosphorus) and tests to check liver and kidney
functioning. The name of this test varies according to the lab, but it's one of the main panels used, so your doctor
would know what it's called now.

Good luck with it.
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« Reply #2322 on: 08/12/2008 18:46:24 »
When we hit PAGE 100, to
celebrate.................I propose
that we get Counterpoints to fly us
all to this fine POIS Retreat!!!



I'm still waiting for my ticket  [;D]

Martin, don't worry! Countepoints assures us that it's in the mail! [;D]

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« Reply #2323 on: 08/12/2008 18:50:33 »
Thank you for the suggestions.  I'll talk with my doctor to determine how many specific tests can be preformed from one blood draw.

I intended on entering the blood draw in peak POIS so to look for issues - no fenugreek or relora and normal carbs.  I think you would all agree with this.
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« Reply #2324 on: 08/12/2008 18:56:43 »
Thank you for the suggestions.  I'll talk with my doctor to determine how many specific tests can be preformed from one blood draw.

I intended on entering the blood draw in peak POIS so to look for issues - no fenugreek or relora and normal carbs.  I think you would all agree with this.

I think a 2-tests comparison, if possible, between POIS stage  and "normal" non-POIS stage would be meaningful. But I just drew blood in the latter "normal" non-POIS stage only, it was unplanned.

Peak-POIS sounds good, though; it would certainly pick up abnormalities.

Just my opinion, with zero training in medicine!
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« Reply #2325 on: 08/12/2008 19:02:14 »
When we hit PAGE 100, to
celebrate.................I propose
that we get Counterpoints to fly us
all to this fine POIS Retreat!!!


:P.  I was recently talking with a Dr. about how this thread is growing at a phenomenal rate.  It took about 1.5 years to reach about 30 pages... and then only about 4-5 months later we are at 100 pages!

Counterpoints, that's only because of your charm, good looks, and superscientific ways!

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« Reply #2326 on: 08/12/2008 19:25:27 »
EXERCISE

Does this happen to anyone else?

Exercise most often backfires on me! Instead of the "feel-good" endorphins associated with cardiovascular workouts (no, I don't overdo it), I get as anxious as someone who had a ton of coffee poured down their gullet!

Or I get tired and need to nap.

Very rarely do I get "energized"!

My GP/internist believes me but says he never heard it before. I wonder if it's somehow related to POIS?
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« Reply #2327 on: 08/12/2008 20:33:09 »
Exercise, POIS and General Anxiety----

I had my first serious Panic Attacks and Anxiety issues in 1976--1978--
I suffered miserably for about 2 years---
From 1978 thru approx. 1990, I became a competitive long distance runner (marathons etc).  My symptoms vanished as the endorphins overwhelmed my biochemistry.
I never would have achieved what I have without exercise. I continued to run daily up to 3 1/2 years ago. I easily ran over 30,000 miles in that time frame. Last 3 1/2 years: I swim daily. If I didn't I'd be very ill. I only take time off when I'm sick, like today. When I don't exercise, I feel sick. Swimming helps contro my GAD. I can feel bad, but after the swim I'm fine for a couple of hours until the endorphins wear off. Now, what about POIS? This is trickier. I monitor my feelings as I swim. Sometimes it helps to reduce it, sometimes I'm not so sure. Look, I'm not a biochemist, but I'll frame this metaphorically: Vigorous exercise FOR ME seems to help with my serotonin universe of deprivation (GAD) without question!! The same exercise may not help as much in the (dopamine????) universe of deprivation. One thing for sure, serious exercise has made it possible for me to have a successful life. To separate out the two universes is very, very difficult. I can't. For a couple of months in the last year, 1mg.at bed  of valium worked fairly well for both conditions. Then it stopped cold!! Benzos are basically poison for me after a few months, and I never take much so I can taper off fast. But this forum is great, and I think we can come up with some strategies to reduce pois symptoms in the future.

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« Reply #2328 on: 08/12/2008 20:52:53 »
Just proves we're all different!

And we've already come up with strategies here to reduce POIS symptoms. Hopefully we'll go even further in the future.
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« Reply #2329 on: 08/12/2008 21:24:50 »
Body Temperature--
I wonder if anybody has either of these 2 symptoms:
1) Low body temperature generally---Usually below 98
2) Low body temperature during POIS
I've read about some of the contributions to reducing POIS symptoms on this site and I very much appreciate the work done here---A "toast" to Demo and all others------

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« Reply #2330 on: 08/12/2008 23:48:42 »
My body temp is low in both cases.

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« Reply #2331 on: 09/12/2008 00:30:09 »
Body Temperature--
I wonder if anybody has either of these 2 symptoms:
1) Low body temperature generally---Usually below 98
2) Low body temperature during POIS
I've read about some of the contributions to reducing POIS symptoms on this site and I very much appreciate the work done here---A "toast" to Demo and all others------

Actually, low body temperature first thing in the morning is considered an indication of potential hypothyroidism.
If you take your basal body temperature with a glass thermometer first thing upon awakening, and it is below 97.4
degrees consistently for several days in a row, some thyroid experts say this can indicate your thyroid is not
working properly.

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2008/01/02/temperature-regulation-for-thyroid-testing.aspx

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« Reply #2332 on: 09/12/2008 05:02:01 »
I've read about some of the contributions to reducing POIS symptoms on this site and I very much appreciate the work done here---A "toast" to Demo and all others------

Thanks, Underwater!!

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« Reply #2333 on: 09/12/2008 05:06:25 »
Re body temperature, not sure this is the same: my RIGHT hand, especially when on the computer...gets C O L D. Anyone else?

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« Reply #2334 on: 09/12/2008 17:03:58 »
I usually have a fever within an hour after orgasm. Usually the face neck and shoulder areas.
 I have had morning temperatures just above 95, feeling normal.

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« Reply #2335 on: 09/12/2008 18:40:46 »
Anybody with the widely used amalgam-mercury silver fillings??
I read about a research study claiming that amalgam mercury affects the neurotransmitter's uptake of dopamine, serotonin, norepinephrine etc.---
In the 1950's, I must have had (literally) over 35 of these fillings, and I think
a lot are still there.
Also, anybody with Tinnitus??? I've had this at least 45 years-----

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #2336 on: 09/12/2008 20:22:29 »
Anybody with the widely used amalgam-mercury silver fillings??
I read about a research study claiming that amalgam mercury affects the neurotransmitter's uptake of dopamine, serotonin,
norepinephrine etc.--- In the 1950's, I must have had (literally) over 35 of these fillings, and I think a lot are still there.

Don't even get me started with the mercury amalgams! I have had HORRIBLE TOXICITY effects from them,
and can trace the beginning of some of my major health issues to the year after they were put in my  mouth.
Getting them removed in 1999 initiated the very long and very uncomfortable mercury detox from my body's
tissues, which has continued even still to this day.

The mercury in amalgam fillings is so toxic that US EPA has it labeled as "a WASTE DISPOSAL HAZARD,"
which means that it is considered to be TOO TOXIC to put IN A LANDFILL OR THE GARBAGE. So why does
the ADA consider it acceptable to put into someone's mouth!  [>:(] [>:(] [>:(] [xx(] [xx(]

There are many things I tried to get the mercury out of my system (it showed up repeatedly in both my hair
and urine tests), but the thing that has so far worked the best is N-A-C. It REALLY worked, which is not some-
thing I can say for the 20 or more other things I checked out. I know some people have had results with chlorella,
and cilantro extract, and PCA-Rx (a clathration formula made by Maxam), and of course with EDTA and DMPS,
which are the intravenous chelators--that are much too strong for someone with compromised health. Of course,
it's best to do an entire protocol if you're going to detox heavy metals, and be under someone's guidance, because
like I said before it can be absolutely grueling.

There is A LOT of articles I've collected about this issue, and for anyone who is interested in more about it,
I'm posting some of the best ones below.

http://www.mercola.com/article/mercury/detox_protocol.htm
http://www.healingdaily.com/oral-chelation/N-acetyl-cysteine%20(NAC)-for-detoxification-what-it-is.htm
http://www.oralchelation.com/technical/medline2.htm
http://www.alternative-doctor.com/anti-ageing/heavy_metal.html
http://www.awakennutrition.com/more.html
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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #2337 on: 09/12/2008 22:51:59 »
Re: Mercury amalgams: I had mine all removed and replaced with the white stuff...it was painful and very expensive.

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Also, anybody with Tinnitus??? I've had this at least 45 years-----

I have pulsatile tinnitus which is a different thing entirely from the typical ringing type tinnitus. I hear a clicking sound in time with my pulse, it's probably not good whatever it is. I've had it for probably 12-15 years. It started when I suddenly withdrew from Paxil, and I also had the "zaps", electrical jolts in your mind when you are sleeping. I was not informed by my uninformed doctor that I should withdraw slowly from this medication. My present doctor told me that the Paxil withdrawl was unrelated to these problems that occured (!!!) ....um, no mam.
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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #2338 on: 09/12/2008 23:13:24 »
John, I've had the pulse and the ringing since 1965---------
I learned very early on to pay them NO attention------------

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #2339 on: 10/12/2008 05:35:21 »
REPLY FROM MY LETTER TO UNIVERSITY ENDOCRINOLOGY GROUP

"I have been thinking about you over the past week. First, I no longer have a lab and am not a *urologist so I could not instrument members of your group nor am I measuring anything that would likely yield an insight. I have had a couple of patients who have the complaints you describe and have not been able to come up with something brilliant for them with the exception of treating the accompanying depression.
 
So, since you don't want to see me as a patient and since I have not been able to think of something special to do either diagnostically or therapeutically, I am not sure how much good it would do to meet.
 
Dr. X [demografx' endocrinologist] sort of thinks of me as a universal reproductive problem solver, but sometimes it doesn't work.
 
All the best, 'Dr. Y' [by first name] "

[*note - I don't understand his reference to urologist - demo]
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« Reply #2340 on: 10/12/2008 07:13:12 »
Check out this article on dopamine depletion and what the sypmtoms were... it's eerie.
http://www.reuniting.info/science/articles/acute_dopamine_depletion_causes_psychological_distress

Laroux, the owner of that site, "reuniting" posts here occasionally. Look for MessageID in search result links listed below:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=POIS+reuniting+site%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.thenakedscientists.com&btnG=Search

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« Reply #2341 on: 10/12/2008 17:19:54 »
REPLY FROM MY LETTER TO UNIVERSITY ENDOCRINOLOGY GROUP

"I have had a couple of patients who have the complaints you describe and have not been able to come up with something brilliant
for them with the exception of treating the accompanying depression.
 
So, since you don't want to see me as a patient and since I have not been able to think of something special to do either diagnostically or
therapeutically, I am not sure how much good it would do to meet. "

Oh well.... it looks like we're on our own again. It will probably be us that present the cure to THEM. But we definitely
should charge a nice large fee for all our brilliant efforts. (since they don't have any)
« Last Edit: 10/12/2008 17:29:07 by girlwind »

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« Reply #2342 on: 10/12/2008 17:28:15 »
Thanks for trying Demo.  This Dr. appears to have zero interest in helping us but this isn't the first time we've been rejected...and hopefully not the last - were a persistant group!

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« Reply #2343 on: 10/12/2008 21:47:37 »
Oh well.... it looks like we're on our own again. It will probably be us that present the cure to THEM. But we definitely
should charge a nice large fee for all our brilliant efforts. (since they don't have any)

Thanks for trying Demo.  This Dr. appears to have zero interest in helping us but this isn't the first time we've been rejected...and hopefully not the last - were a persistant group!

Yes, don't worry. We are close to find .

Girlwind, Limejuice, B_Jim, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. Your kind words really take some of the sting out of the disappointment!!

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« Reply #2344 on: 10/12/2008 21:50:26 »
I just wrote to DR. MARCEL WALDINGER again and tried to make it pointed, and clear but diplomatic to please let us know if he has some time for us....

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« Reply #2345 on: 10/12/2008 21:57:21 »
CLINICAL TRIAL

In some ways, we might be better off than a structured study, e.g., a clinical trial...funded by a pharmaceutical co. that would dictate to us what existing off-the-shelf medicines we should try. They would hardly stand still for our "experiments" with Fenugreek, relora, or heaven forbid...Levitra (if funding came from the manufacturer of Viagra!)

But I still dreamily envision a team of endocrinologists poring over all our POIS-thread posts and summary data with one "aha!" after another!
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« Reply #2346 on: 11/12/2008 01:09:55 »
Dear John and the other members,

Yes, Indeed, I've observed that an exhausted state (owing to stress, for instance) and/or lack of sleep makes POIS worse for me.

In addition to balancing my Neurotransmitters (SSRI, GABA, Relora), I keep on experimenting on the physiologic side.

Since I still cannot decide whether Neurotransmitter imbalances are cause or effect.

THE GOOD OLD QUESTION still awaits an answer: Neurotransmitter imbalances are cause or effect? If "cause", the real cause lying behind may be psychological. If "effect", the real cause may be physiologic (problems in metabolism, etc) The good old question... eheh

Since I have nothing to lose, I keep on experimenting the physical aspect as well.

In my case, MAGNESIUM, for instance, helps get back my power a bit, during the day. Besides this, intake of Ca + Mg (2/1) after a release, provides a sleep which is much more regenerating. In addition, refined sugar (!) helps much, in my case. Comment: " ATP production theory??? " Glucose, Magnesium, etc....?   

I still wonder on ATP and semen production. (I am testing L-Carnitine and Chromium-piccolinate again) 

Best regards,

Coreman.
 

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1.    Worst day of the week:  is about Thursday, 'cause: 1. Already stressed/worn-out due to work, 2. already having lack of sleep,......  and THAN an orgasm:  POIS is like a nightmare, makes it difficult to cope with )


Are you saying that when you are in a stressed out/exhausted state and you have an orgasm the POIS is much worse? 

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« Reply #2347 on: 11/12/2008 20:14:58 »
Coreman, B-Jim,

the question is indeed: is the neurotransmitter (or hormone) inbalance an effect or a cause?

if effect, then it's possibly caused by
1. (theory in post Coreman) metabolism problems. I don't really get this. Can you explain this? How would you test for this?
2 (theory in post B-Jim) auto-immune reaction. I would guess this can be tested. Check the amount of antibodies in your blood. I actually tested Lg-E total a while ago. The blood analyst then told me there was no allergic reaction. And also has not been, in the past. He told me that if there has been an allergic reaction, you can see it in your blood for quite a while.  I suggest we do more reading on this, as there are more antibodies, and then get this tested. So we know if it's an allergic reaction.

BTW: Thanks Coreman for your previous tips! So far Kundalini Yoga has also been helpful to me.  Hopefully I will fully benefit after a longer period. I am reading a book now quoting all it's benefits of Yoga for the endocrine system...Do you know specific yoga exercises to do 1) just after orgasm and 2) later on in the recovery process? I am very interested!
« Last Edit: 11/12/2008 20:20:21 by rock27 »
POIS, fatigue, brain fog, can't find words, irritated, can't concentrate.

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #2348 on: 11/12/2008 21:44:12 »
Hi Guys/Gal

Sorry I've been away for so long. Anywho....I have some good news!!!! My POIS is ga ga ga GONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It vanished after finind an amazing women and making love to her everyday(sometimes twice a day) for the past two and a half weeks. Consequently, my body has adapted to the sexual demands I have been placing on it. My hormones are surging like never before. My sex drive is like I was seventeen again. I have no erectile dysfunction or premature ejaculation to speak of. Just to give you an idea I usally reach orgasm after One minute. I went for 30 minutes yesturday!!I have had one to two orgasms everyday for the past two and a half weeks and I feel great. I no loger have any POIS like symptoms after sex.......and actually, I feel incredibly ENERGIZED!

It would seem that my POIS was both psychological and physical in nature. I have a therory. My POIS began after one year of celebacy. The body is all about adaptation and evironmental demand. Because I wasn't using my sexual response(having ejaculations)my sexual response began to match my behavior. Use it, or lose it so to speak. It's like a muscle. Use it and it becomes strong, don't and it becomes week. Now that I'm having sex everyday my sexual response cycle has adapted to the environmental demands I have been placing on it. Orgasms don't "hurt" me anymore because my body has readapted to having them.

Also, I really like my partner alot which means the oxytocin is probably surging. I still believe oxytocin(LOVE)is a major component in helping to alleviate symptoms of POIS.

Forthly, I have been seening a TCM doctor and taking herbal treatments for Kidney Chi deficeny. This helped a lot too.

The last thing is just my own psyhological sexual issues. My POIS probably had a strong psychological component. I'm having sex with a woman I really like, I feel great. Thier is no emotional contamination as it were with my sexual experience. I had alot of shame around masturbation, I think it's a major component of certain kinds of POIS like symptoms.

That's all i really have to offer. Hope maybe this helps some of you all. I'm Out! Take care and Good LUCK!!!!

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #2349 on: 12/12/2008 00:12:15 »
Hi Guys/Gal

Sorry I've been away for so long. Anywho....I have some good news!!!! My POIS is ga ga ga GONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Congratulations, Chewbacca!