[hk1979]

First of all, blood tests was done a day after orgasm. Doctor said I was fine. I thought "how the hell?" if I am feeling so tired but everything seems fine. Then after the doctor could not help me anymore, he suggested seeing a biofeedback scientist. Now those of you not familiar with biofeedback, it is a method to check your toxicity, hormones, pains and a lot of different things. They found staggering results. Everytime after an orgasm my "pathogen" level will rise. That is the things that attack your body when your immune system goes low. That includes worms, bacteria, bad enzymes etc. What makes you weak is actually the pathogens eating your proteien. That is the reason why we feel so tired on day 2.

OK, now the reason for the immune system going down has got to do with 3 main factors, all related. They are hormones, thyriod gland and endocrines.

If you have too much orgasms, your hormone levels go unstable. If you think about it, at puberty you start to get hormones. Hormones is very important for the full body development into adolescent > adult. With development I mean everything, from muscles, to nervous system, to blood pressure etc.

Now if you have masturebared as much as I did, then you have messed up the production of DHEA, which is the precursor prohormone to all other hormones, including testosterone, estrogen etc. DHEA is produced at the highest levels from age 9-20, and then steadily declines, and from age 25 onwards it is almost 25% of what it used to be.

Older men from age 40 have found DHEA supplements gave them a new found strength for life.

When you have an orgasm, you overstimulate the sex hormones to react to the adrenal gland, and also the dopamine neurotransmitter. 

It is like a drug, and if you have done it too much chances are you need help with drugs to bring things back to the same levels.

It has been proven than stimulants will make you feel better, or at least different, but it is still toxic. Caffeine, Methamphetamine, all those things will help you now, but you are going to it rock bottom some time again (just like a heroine addict > endocrine > dopamine).

The best is to first detox to get rid of pathogens. Take MSM each day, and a dewormer for startes. Then start drinking Tyrosine in the mornings, to rebuild the adrenal gland. And when you have an orgasm, take DHEA afterwards. It is very important to take it afterwards, as your hormone levels decline after an orgasm. There is really no use taking testosterone or DHEA before sex, it just changes the orgasm and depeletes the hormone levels again afterwards. 

[demografx]

Hi Demografx

I have a few questions regarding your Levitra therapy.
What dose are you using and when do you take it ?
Also are you getting any side-effects ?
Would you say it lessens depression ?

Also you mentioned that you take caffiene and stimulants to help you through POIS.
Caffiene has a very nasty neurosis type effect on me if I take it during POIS. I also avoid any stimulants as they have a similarly negative effect on my  mind.
I use an antidepressant to help me through the POIS period. It also lessens the duration of POIS for me.
The antidepressant I use is nortriptyline.

Bizzy, I take 10mg 1/2 hour before engaging in any sexual activity that can lead to orgasm (I'd like to take a higher dose but afraid of heart consequences I've read about, even though the source was a popular/general internet post about ED - I should repeat again here for everyone that if Levitra is NOT needed for ED then ask your doctor about possible heart complications - I don't have any medical credentials).

It has worked accidentally, after a lifetime of misery searching for a cure, I simply took it for the reason prescribed (ED). 50-60% of the POIS symptoms go away and the length of POIS time-to-recovery is dramatically reduced (about the same %).

I credit this Forum with a lot of the Levitra success, because after numerous activities here, posting and reading, it simply made me more acutely AWARE of symptoms, onset, improvements, etc.

To the extent that POIS symptoms cause depression (and they do with me) yes, the Levitra helps that as well. In addition, I'm on antidepressants and stimulants. They have worked well, after years of heavy, heavy down periods.

Our bodies may be different, because stimulants, including coffee, are key for me. Unfortunately, I tend to abuse caffeine, but better with than without. I don't understand how antidepressants can be used for POIS shorterm vs. on an ongoing basis, because they usually take weeks to build up in our systems to have an effect. But maybe yours is short-acting?

Again, Levitra was a bit of an "accidental miracle" bolstered by my active involvement in the POIS Forum. What a place! Don't know about you, but I can't tell you how many doctors, shrinks, therapists, onandon I've seen over the years - - they just don't have a CLUE what we're dealing with! But EVERYONE here does! Thanks for writing, Bizzy. Hope I answered your questions, and you've been very helpful here.

[hk1979]

Isn't Levitra almost the same as Viagra?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vardenafil [nofollow]

Well you can drug and toxicate yourself with antidepressants, stimulants and erectile dysfunction pills for the rest of your life, definitely causing even more imbalances, or you can try to detox and come clean, try to stablise your nutrition.

[hk1979]

Hallo

Just a quick questionaire to my fellow sufferers. If you can answer to the below symptoms please do so, I would like to narrow down the symptoms to possible diseases that I have read up about:


1)  lipodystrophy (fatty deposits like acne on face, back of neck, on collarbone area, between legs

2)   an asthma like breathless feeling after an orgasm

3)   inflammation

4)   blocked nose

5)   itchy skin, especially hands

6)   turn very red colour on chest after orgasm

7)   proximal muscle weakness (hips, shoulders)

   no urge for orgasm for the next hour, unless taken a stimulant

Please reply "yes" or "now" to the above symptoms to narrow down the disease.

Thanks

[demografx]

HK1979, the only thing I relate to is "itchy hands" although mine are "dried up" especially FINGERTIPS.

[demografx]

Well you can drug and toxicate yourself with antidepressants, stimulants and erectile dysfunction pills for the rest of your life, definitely causing even more imbalances, or you can try to detox and come clean, try to stablise your nutrition.

I'll stick to the former for now, but thanks anyway []

hk1979, just curious, where did you get your medical degree?

[demografx]

Well here I go again, the urge hit one week later. So Levitra time again plus the usual (about an hour ago). This time I'll wait and see if anyone wants to know how I'm doing. Don't want to bore you silly with my diary LOL.

[demografx]

FIGHT POIS BY DOING NOTHING!

Yesterday (Day Zero POIS) I worked from bed. Right now, same thing. I know it's hard to do for most of us, but I wanted to post that, because if you CAN rest....conserving energy helps! I'm much better now than I would've been otherwise, following a busier routine. My psychiatrist said, "just don't expect much of yourself during POIS!"

[demografx]

MY 75% CURE

As simple as it sounds, bedrest (but active: TV, computer, telephone, breaks at the piano, etc., plus the meds/coffee routine I described in detail in earlier posts) seems to bring my POIS "cure" up to 75%.

I stress this is just FOR ME, not necessarily for anyone else. And bedrest isn't practical for most of the world. However, CONSERVING ENERGY is necessary for POIS, which can induce lethargy and severe exhaustion. Unless your job is marathon running 24/7, I'm sure you can find ways to reduce the energy consumption level. I just want to share this news. And this Forum has been a most powerful ally.

This is the first excitement I've had in the 25+ YEARS of extreme frustration chasing the POIS cure in the vast "POIS desert" (I'm sure you all know what THAT means [] )

Best wishes to all. I wish a 100% cure for everyone.

[Bizzy]

MY 75% CURE
As simple as it sounds, bedrest (but active: TV, computer, telephone, breaks at the piano, etc., plus the meds/coffee routine I described in detail in earlier posts) seems to bring my POIS "cure" up to 75%.

HI Demografx

Thats exactly what ive been doing for many years, sitting and doing very little during POIS period. I think its indicative of this illness.
I think there are two reasons why I do nothing during POIS period :
1) My performance and mind function is very poor during POIS. So whatever I do, I dont do it well at all.
2) Doing nothing helps because if I do anything it causes a great deal of stress. The stress occurs partly because my mind doesnt work and partly because its just there after orgasm. By this I mean that there is a high level of stress feeling after orgasm and this in itself compounds the stress.

Demografx do continue with your diary when there are few posts because it helps this forum move along. Also what antidepressants and stimulants do you use ?

[demografx]

Thanks again, Bizzy. So many years I wasted trying (and failing) to be "normal" during POIS. All I succeeded in doing was to make it worse, as you can appreciate. I JUST DIDN'T/WOULDN'T/COULDN'T BELIEVE THIS WAS HAPPENING TO ME!(I still can't! [])... A 5-SECOND release bringing on so many DAYS of misery....doctors had no clue...I hope you and others can relate to this.

Whoops, Bizzy, almost forgot: antidepressant is Cymbalta, 60mg 1X/day,  and stimulant (prescribed for ADD) is Adderall, a longacting time-release amphetamine. I also tried Concerta (again, the longacting kind) and it was equally effective as Adderall.

I supplement, as I mentioned earlier, with caffeine, sometimes too much though. Because of my caffeine addiction, I was afraid of the addictive potential of Adderall, but for 2 years now I have been on a moderate dose (40mg 1X/day). Both Rx's taken in the morning.

To be further candid, I resisted all meds for a LONG time, finally relented with wife and therapist screaming (exagg.) at me to see prescribing-shrink. I "succumbed" and now grateful, the regimen pulled me out of a suicidal depression: I was on the couch, no reading, no TV, nearly catatonic, for nearly 2 years prior to taking the meds.

[demografx]

2) Doing nothing helps... The stress occurs partly because my mind doesnt work and partly because its just there after orgasm.

Bizzy, kindly clarify "...because it's just there after orgasm." Thank you!

[Bizzy]

Hi Demografx

Im glad you are doing good on the adderall and hope you do not encounter any complications.
I would have serious reservations with the use of an amphetamine based drug because of the dangers of psychosis and depression.
I would suspect that if you came off adderall 'cold turkey' then you will face very serious mental symptoms. If this is true then it means that you are on a medication that requires serious consideration. Maybe oneday you will need to come off the medication.

I am more positive about cymbalta. I understand its a dual re-uptake inhibitor similar to venlafaxine but with a more balanced affect on the two neuro-transmitters.  If this medicine is doing you good then you should stay with it. I may try this medicine myself at some point.
There are a few antidepressants with a stimulant effect. I wonder if you have tried any of them ?

[imre1]

FIGHT POIS BY DOING NOTHING!

Yesterday (Day Zero POIS) I worked from bed. Right now, same thing. I know it's hard to do for most of us, but I wanted to post that, because if you CAN rest....conserving energy helps! I'm much better now than I would've been otherwise, following a busier routine. My psychiatrist said, "just don't expect much of yourself during POIS!"

The problem I have with this is that if I rest during the day. I can't get any deep sleep during the night. So the symptoms remain for more days.

[imre1]

CONSERVING ENERGY is necessary for POIS, which can induce lethargy and severe exhaustion. Unless your job is marathon running 24/7,

Wel at least I never work during hight POIS days. I absolutely can't work. The way that I absolutely avoid having to work during POIS is by explicitely and expressely inflicting pain on myself on friday night so that I can go back to work on monday.

[demografx]

Hi Demografx

Im glad you are doing good on the adderall and hope you do not encounter any complications.
I would have serious reservations with the use of an amphetamine based drug because of the dangers of psychosis and depression.
I would suspect that if you came off adderall 'cold turkey' then you will face very serious mental symptoms. If this is true then it means that you are on a medication that requires serious consideration. Maybe oneday you will need to come off the medication.

I am more positive about cymbalta. I understand its a dual re-uptake inhibitor similar to venlafaxine but with a more balanced affect on the two neuro-transmitters.  If this medicine is doing you good then you should stay with it. I may try this medicine myself at some point.
There are a few antidepressants with a stimulant effect. I wonder if you have tried any of them ?

Psychosis and depression are not problematic at this dose, spread out time-release mode over 5-8 hours. I have been doing just fine with this regimen for 2 years. I periodically stop "cold turkey" without adverse effects.

Bizzy, I think it's extremely difficult for you to recommend anything from a distance, not really knowing my particulars at all (including ADD, which reacts very differently to amphetamine compared to the population at large. The very first dose, for example, put me to sleep! This is common amongst ADD's but not for most people, who become energized). I have a team of doctors who know me for years, plus I very carefully work with them in a partnership mode, based on my own research and my BEST feeling for what is right for me, based on a lifetime of understanding my body and mind, which even the best doctors don't know. This patient-doctor partnership, I think, should be true for everyone. Actually, I resisted the ADD/stimulant route for months, for a number of reasons, until I was eventually comfortable trying it.

My bottom line is that everyone is different. What works well for one person can be disastrous for another. But thank you very much for your considerate comments and suggestions.

[demografx]

The problem I have...is that if I rest during the day. I can't get any deep sleep during the night. So the symptoms remain for more days.

imre1, yes, very good point! I'm finding the same problem. It is Saturday 3:00 AM right now that I am typing this! But at least the high-anxiety (for me) of POIS doesn't stay; and the quality of the fatigue is still better than POIS: I think far more clearly.

[Bizzy]

My bottom line is that everyone is different. What works well for one person can be disastrous for another. But thank you very much for your considerate comments and suggestions.

I was being cautious with my previous post about adderall and understand that different people do react differently to medications. I may at some point want to try adderall myself.
I once went nuts for several months after taking a single dose of ecstasy.
How does cymbalta compare to other antidepressant medication you may have taken in the past ?

[demografx]

I am skeptical about what Cymbalta is doing for me, as I am with Effexor, its predecessor for me (it feels like Adderall is doing 'the whole job') But the psychiatrist makes a point that "it got me off the couch," where I was nearly catatonic for almost 2 years. So...hard to say, but I keep taking it ("if it's not broken don't fix it").

When I first took Prozac in 1989, it had an astonishingly positive effect, an earthshaking, lifechanging impact from a lifetime of periodically going into a snakepit of severe depression (Prozac eliminated that devastatingly low-low). But since then, I haven't felt much with antidepressants and I've tried just about every one of them.

[wikkid]

Hello!  I am a 25 year old male who has diarrhea and gas 5-10 minutes after orgasm (induced by intercourse or masturbation).  I also have a problem orgasming on "round two" if it's been less than an hour after my last orgasm (I would chalk this up to the basic male refractory period, however).  I've been all over the net and have found this thread.  I'd start to seek out a doctor for POIS right away, but I'm not sure if I have the same thing.  All of you describe these symptoms lasting for a few days, while mine happens right after and usually goes away a few hours later.  Does this sound like the same thing to you?