Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #3000 on: 21/01/2009 19:40:45 »
Hi Richard,
Thanks for your post.  You can find a questionnaire developed to organize information about this condition, at http://pois.olympe-network.com

Please do not be quick to generalize all of our problems.  "Our chronic fatigue syndrome" is not an accurate description.  It is not obvious that this problem is a manifestation of CFS.  For some people there may be a relation, but for others there definitely is not.  For instance, as B_Jim mentioned, one sufferer was found to have Adrenocortical carcinoma.


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« Reply #3001 on: 21/01/2009 19:54:13 »
Hi, Richardgrear, welcome to The POIS thread of the Naked Science Forum.

Some resources for you:

Please see "B_Jim"'s POIS Forum Summary of All Cases, here as well as others on the Web. MessageID: 149009
http://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?topic=6576.msg149009#msg149009

"Girlwind" has created an excellent POIS Video. A first!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UWBxAUC9k1g

And filling out the POIS survey created by "Counterpoints" will enable you to share POIS information and details with others here. This will also enable us to work more easily with outside researchers by having more organized data available about us:
http://pois.olympe-network.com/

We look forward to more of your posts!

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« Reply #3002 on: 21/01/2009 19:59:07 »
Richardgrear, welcome.  You've definitely found the right place.


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« Reply #3003 on: 21/01/2009 19:59:15 »
Richardgrear, you may also wish to get a copy of the first study done on this malady/illness called POIS. More details below.

Then bring it to your doctor. We have had the same problem as you with medical credibility: most doctors don't understand our condition.

Many of us see POIS' problem as hormonal, so you may think of seeing a local endocrinologist (which I am doing). The co-author of the paper below is an endocrinologist.

Other Forum members here have other ideas of the "best" medical practitioner to see, e.g., naturopaths. You will see that by searching the posts.


POIS Research Study

The first and only study on POIS by Dr. Marcel Waldinger,MD and Dr. David Schweitzer, MD.

If you want a copy (PDF), send "Pyropeach" a Private Message with your email address and he'll send you back the PDF.

To send a Private Message, click on "Messages" at the top of this page. At the Messages page, click on "New Message". From that point on, it works just like posting a message here, except that it only goes to the person(s) you designate.

Remember to put a quote around the recipient's name, e.g., "pyropeach".

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #3004 on: 21/01/2009 20:04:34 »
Ah man.. Thanks guys.

I hope you don't mind, but I sent an email to the CFIDS association of America. It went as follows:

There are a number of people including myself, who seem to be suffering from a form of CFIDS (or CFS) that is exacerbated by orgasms. After an orgasm, we experience physical and mental exhaustion lasting for days, and even weeks. This disorder seems to be widely unknown, even more unknown than typical CFS. It has had one study done of it. It was as follows:
 Postorgasmic Illness Syndrome: Two Cases
Authors: Waldinger, Marcel D.1; Schweitzer, Dave H.2

Source: Journal of Sex and Marital Therapy, Volume 28, Number 3, 1 May 2002 , pp. 251-255(5)

Publisher: Routledge, part of the Taylor & Francis Group

It is my desire that what me and my fellow sufferes have (what Dr. Marcel D. Waldinger has labeled P.O.I.S (Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome)), be recognized as a sub type of CFS, and be researched as a part of the general study of CFS. Below is a link to the only forum discussing P.O.I.S., whose posts are from those few known people who suffer from it, including myself. http://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?topic=6576.0

Thank you, Richard Grear

I may be wrong about the whole CFS thing, but I figured it couldn't hurt to send them that message.

Anyways, I'll definitely check out those links. I'm going to seem my doctor soon, and I'm in need of some sort of credible evidence for the existence of POIS, like a copy of a study done about it, so that my doctor takes me seriously. So thanks again for the links. Its good to be part of the group
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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #3005 on: 21/01/2009 20:08:53 »

[POIS] seems to be a form of Chronic Fatigue Syndrome [CFS].


Richard, there is no evidence of that.

We have already learned, for example, that many POIS sufferers have no fatigue symptoms.

Keep in mind that we have had 100+ POIS sufferers posting here, so our knowledge base goes far beyond Dr. Waldinger's original 2 patients studied in depth. And in 5 years, Dr. Waldinger only observed 5 cases, including the 2 that were written up.
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« Reply #3006 on: 21/01/2009 20:14:02 »

I sent an email to the CFIDS association of America.


Richard, we have been working very hard to get the right publicity and studies done. Would greatly appreciate your touching base with me next time before sending a letter on behalf of the group. Thank you very much for your good intentions.

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« Reply #3007 on: 21/01/2009 20:39:11 »
My doctor subscribed me an SSRI (can't remember which one though) when I told him I had post orgasmic illness, because he thought I was depressed. I took it for about 4 weeks, only to make me very tired. And I had no libido at all (I always have libido, except in POIS). I didn't try orgasm as far as I can remember.

Another note: nocturnal orgasms. I wanted to get more testing done, but these nocturnal orgasms keep interfering for the last 2 months. Any ideas how to get rid of them? I tried lying on my side, but didn't work. My natural healer gave me herbs that made me feel very tired this week (main component: ostreae concha), so quit them and looking for something else. Thanks.   
POIS, fatigue, brain fog, can't find words, irritated, can't concentrate.

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« Reply #3008 on: 21/01/2009 20:54:09 »

I sense that perhaps you are cautious of my pro-chastity/ anti-lust tack, as you know it is founded in my faith, which you reject. Am I right?


I don't reject your pro-chastity/anti-lust tack or faith in the least! And if you meant to ask if I reject it for myself, that's just too complicated to answer in full, but suffice it to say that I have abandoned the concept of organized religion...for myself only. I have respect and admiration for all faiths if they are practiced for the betterment of mankind, as long as specific tenets are not pushed on me.

My "caution" recently comes from another forum member who insists that abstinence is a powder-keg of a subject and should be avoided. And maybe it is explosive. But since the subject of abstinence is inextricably intertwined with POIS, I don't see how to avoid it.

I'm just your garden variety sexual human who has tried, and failed, at "permanent" abstinence. So, being human, I tend to generalize: if I have limits (mine surface at 6 weeks) on what appears to be a natural human desire, so must others. To my way of thinking, that could be 2 days or 20 years but not "forever".

We all know that we can find hundreds of studies to back up almost any conclusion, no matter how preposterous! (My career background is in the research industry). And so I realize that I could be dead wrong in my assumptions about the effect of "permanent" abstinence on others' psyches and physical health.

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #3009 on: 21/01/2009 20:57:22 »
have there been any other studies of POIS? besides the first one? (sorry to interrupt)
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« Reply #3010 on: 21/01/2009 20:57:57 »
My doctor subscribed me an SSRI (can't remember which one though) when I told him I had post orgasmic illness, because he thought I was depressed. I took it for about 4 weeks, only to make me very tired. And I had no libido at all (I always have libido, except in POIS). I didn't try orgasm as far as I can remember.

Another note: nocturnal orgasms. I wanted to get more testing done, but these nocturnal orgasms keep interfering for the last 2 months. Any ideas how to get rid of them? I tried lying on my side, but didn't work. My natural healer gave me herbs that made me feel very tired this week (main component: ostreae concha), so quit them and looking for something else. Thanks.   

Rock, I recall some discussion of that, so maybe the forum post search results below can help you find something:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=nocturnal+emission+NE+site%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fthenakedscientists.com&aq=f&oq=

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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #3011 on: 21/01/2009 21:08:28 »

have there been any other studies of POIS? besides the first one? (sorry to interrupt)


Not formal studies to my knowledge. But if you click at the top here to Page 1, you'll see snippets of case studies. B_Jim also has more information about outside cases that is in the first link of 3 that I mentioned in my welcome message above.

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« Reply #3012 on: 21/01/2009 21:27:03 »
Hi to all the newcomers! Each time someone new posts here is an additional case. Thanks.
As seen on other forums I feel that a chart with recommendations, would be appropriate to avoid the excessive censure that occured these days. Since pois is impairing judgment of all of us, it's always possible for posters to make errors. Personally I feel that censure is definitely necessary but should be kept private.
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« Reply #3013 on: 21/01/2009 21:56:34 »
I'll be out of the immediate subject:
For all people who will decide to take a testosterone treatment, and it's important to mention, except those who are involved in bra's competition  [:)]:

This is not the point :
- Androderm can causes gynecomastia.
From some sources it's most likely with injectable or oral treatments which is encouraging in a way, but gynecomastia is mentionned as a common effect in this site which is used by my MD :  https://online.epocrates.com/u/10a2016/Androderm

- Testosterone: conversion to estrogen- estrogen peak in older men.
Source: http://emedicine.medscape.com/article/120858-overview
Estrogen production in males results mainly from the peripheral conversion of androgens (testosterone and androstenedione) through the action of the enzyme aromatase, mainly in muscle, skin, and adipose tissue to estradiol and estrone.
The third peak [estrogen] occurs in older men, with a prevalence of 24-65%. Gynecomastia in adults is often multifactorial. Increased aromatization of testosterone to estradiol and the gradual decrease of testosterone production in the aging testes most often account for gynecomastia in adult males. Older men are also more likely to take medications associated with gynecomastia than are younger men.


-Here is my problem:
Higher estrogen levels in older men are associated with an increased risk for dementia
Source: http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/541420

I shouldn't have to repeat this but remember this is an external view, since I'm not MD I admit I can be wrong.
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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #3014 on: 21/01/2009 22:13:26 »
Anybody else having problems posting?

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« Reply #3015 on: 21/01/2009 22:56:37 »
Anybody else having problems posting?

Testing advertising, so all kinds of system probs.

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« Reply #3016 on: 21/01/2009 23:03:38 »
Serotonin & Gaba--
Pro has mentioned that Zoloft has worked for him in the past. For me, Benzodiazepines have worked in the past. Perhaps these medications that boost Serotonin and Gaba indicate or suggest that the increase of certain inhibitory neurotransmitters may help diminish POIS symptoms in individuals who have anxiety conditions. The problem is that these are powerful meds., and for me haven't shown significant, long lasting results. I don't like them. But I'd sure like to know how to build up serotonin and gaba naturally. Right now I'm just experimenting with amino acids; basic health store supplement.

I think this post won't get erased---Let's see?????????

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« Reply #3017 on: 21/01/2009 23:13:40 »
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We all know that we can find hundreds of studies to back up almost any conclusion, no matter how preposterous! (My career background is in the research industry).

Ain't that the truth, I don't doubt that even the studies can be subject to bias. Truth can be slippery.

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And so I realize that I could be dead wrong in my assumptions about the effect of "permanent" abstinence on others' psyches and physical health.

Admirable open mindedness   [:)]


I like Martin's idea, a general guide for forum decorum.

Welcome all newbies.
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« Reply #3018 on: 21/01/2009 23:30:12 »
Artosophy--
Isn't it great to discover fellow sufferers? This forum will make you feel better, even if it's just a little, tiny bit. Every nugget helps. This is an optimistic bandwagon. Its synergy is definitely bigger than its individual parts.

I salute you for your perseverence. I had an absolutely terrible time in my mid 20's-
But I came out of it. Now I'm coming out of another lousy 20 months.

Excellent, compassionate members here and a very conscientious moderator. Good Luck.

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« Reply #3019 on: 21/01/2009 23:30:33 »
Hey guys reporting on alpha 20c
I had a seriously unwanted Full NE but I used Alpha twenty right after and also before i went back to sleep at end of day. 5g powder form.    I don't know if it is fluke or not but my symptoms have improved.
No brain fog
Extreme tirdeness dissapeared 
I will report on concentration tomorrow and socialization after about two weeks.
I don't  know if i am a naturally quiet person or may be i am being affected by pois, i should know in about two weeks.


Very encouraging, CCconfucius!

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« Reply #3020 on: 21/01/2009 23:33:23 »
Artosophy--
Isn't it great to discover fellow sufferers? This forum will make you feel better, even if it's just a little, tiny bit. Every nugget helps. This is an optimistic bandwagon. Its synergy is definitely bigger than its individual parts.

I salute you for your perseverence. I had an absolutely terrible time in my mid 20's-
But I came out of it. Now I'm coming out of another lousy 20 months.

Excellent, compassionate members here and a very conscientious moderator. Good Luck.

Really nice of you to say, Underwater!

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« Reply #3021 on: 21/01/2009 23:35:07 »
Forum tech disruptions

Everyone is frustrated, I've written complaints.

For now, hitting the "Refresh" button is all I can suggest! [:(]

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« Reply #3022 on: 21/01/2009 23:42:14 »

Isn't it great to discover fellow sufferers?


30+ years alone in the wilderness, "rejected" by doctor upon therapist, I thought I was the only one in the world with whatever-that-ugly-4-day-episode-is (POIS).
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« Reply #3023 on: 21/01/2009 23:46:45 »

Admirable open mindedness   [:)]


Thanks, John. Mutual admiration!

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« Reply #3024 on: 22/01/2009 00:02:51 »
Demo, me too------
For years I thought I was the only one. It's hard to really know how a fellow sufferer feels, but I guess I got by because it (POIS) was tolerable misery.
I considered myself a victim of an absurd hoax, punished for doing something natural and enjoyable. Since technology has been available a long time, I have forever hunted for answers, especially since google, typing in all sorts of key words. I remember Waldinger's "description" a few years ago. I actually heard it first on T.V.. Remember, everyone laughed and discounted it on the internet? That wasn't good.
The weird thing has been that when I'm feeling great and on top of the world (no GAD), happy and energetic, calm and confident, no POIS for a couple of months, I think, "you know, I'm free, it won't happen this time"-----WRONG----Curses, Spoiled Again

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« Reply #3025 on: 22/01/2009 00:31:09 »

Remember, everyone laughed and discounted [POIS] on the internet? That wasn't good.


WOW. I really didn't know that. I'm glad I didn't see that! (My head was in the sand back then) My insecurities about "it's only me and my [highly questionable] POIS" would've blossomed and I would've retreated to "See? There's no hope!"


"you know, I'm free, it won't happen this time"-----WRONG----Curses, Spoiled Again


EVERY SINGLE TIME...I told myself the same thing: "This time it will be different" (btw, = the definition of insanity).

My stupidity? Nah. Just extreme denial.
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« Reply #3026 on: 22/01/2009 00:35:17 »

I considered myself a victim of an absurd hoax, punished for doing something natural and enjoyable.


For a long time, I considered myself a "guilty party" getting his just rewards. From early religious teachings.

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« Reply #3027 on: 22/01/2009 01:54:40 »
Today I had my follow up with the CFS doctor/endocrinologist. Here's the scoop.

My MULTI BLOOD TEST RESULTS indicate that I am LOW in almost all the hormones I've tested, or at best
in the lower range of normal. This includes thyroid (of course)---even after the three months of Ashwaghanda
supplementation, it is still NOT OPTIMAL. Cortisol also, still too low. Testosterone, DHEA, estrogen--all too low.
I am supposed to begin a bio-identical hormone treatment as soon as I can get the prescriptions filled. I will start
with thyroid and cortisol first.

This doctor's take about my POIS was that it's not possible to conclude right now EXACTLY what would be causing the
fatigue after orgasm--due to the fact that I have so many hormones in a NON-optimal range. So no definitive answers
on that yet. We'll see what happens... I will definitely keep you posted.

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« Reply #3028 on: 22/01/2009 05:22:35 »
operation concentration did not succeed - I had to super force myself to focus in classes.
Memory seems to be still shaken
I was able to conversate though but without any jokes but that was cool.
I was able to feel that high you get from exercise.
 
ON NE good luck with that.
I tried sleeping using a  bottle but brain orgasm will get yah.

How does five hour energy shot feel during POIS
I used it once(decaf) during pois. It made me talk all day but didn't fix memory problems and concentration. 

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« Reply #3029 on: 22/01/2009 05:40:23 »
Girlwind - Telling results!  Does that mean something - all your hormones were below normal?  I've taken several hormone tests and...they've all been moderately below normal too.  I get prolactin results back tomorrow...I'll share them.

I also remember reading Demo's results were all below normal.

Can anyone else here relate?

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« Reply #3030 on: 22/01/2009 05:56:17 »
Well I am about to finish my THIRD bottle of Relora (each last one month if you take three per day).  I have had an orgasm about everyday! Also, I never had that "craving" or empty feeling that I used to after orgasm that made me want to keep doing it over and over and over. 

I can control myself now.  When I get the urge I do it, that simple. I have tried abstaining; It's not that hard. But after a day or two the urge becomes strong and I eventually have an orgasm.

The MOST AMAZING part is that during the past three months I have NOT, THANK GOD!!!!, NOT felt the kind of mental depression and misery that I used to feel.  I don't know if I am now acting "normal," because I forgot how that used to feel after 5 or 6 years of such horrible separation from "normal." But I feel great and at peace with myself for once. I no longer worry about the effects of orgasm.

Also, Iam not sure if it is good that I am so dependent on Relora.  If I had enough money I would buy enough to last me the rest of my life. :)

I can't be sure that Relora is the cause; It could be a placebo? or even the vitamins I take daily.  All I know is that I DONT feel how I used to after orgasm.  THERE IS HOPE FOR ALL!!!!!!

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« Reply #3031 on: 22/01/2009 05:58:36 »
Forgot to mention... Caffine from Mountain Dews does have a noticable effect.  I am not sure to what extent, but it seems that caffine and Relora don't mix well.

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« Reply #3032 on: 22/01/2009 07:39:07 »
I used to use DMAE long before finding this forum. It didn't seem to combat the POIS, but rather just give me a little mental boost to fight the brain-fog...kinda like how cold medicine just masks the symptoms of the cold.

Sounds great to me. Time to quadruple my DMAE dosage.
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« Reply #3033 on: 22/01/2009 15:01:02 »
Well I am about to finish my THIRD bottle of Relora (each last one month if you take three per day).  I have had an orgasm about everyday! Also, I never had that "craving" or empty feeling that I used to after orgasm that made me want to keep doing it over and over and over. 

I can control myself now.  When I get the urge I do it, that simple. I have tried abstaining; It's not that hard. But after a day or two the urge becomes strong and I eventually have an orgasm.

The MOST AMAZING part is that during the past three months I have NOT, THANK GOD!!!!, NOT felt the kind of mental depression and misery that I used to feel.  I don't know if I am now acting "normal," because I forgot how that used to feel after 5 or 6 years of such horrible separation from "normal." But I feel great and at peace with myself for once. I no longer worry about the effects of orgasm.

Also, Iam not sure if it is good that I am so dependent on Relora.  If I had enough money I would buy enough to last me the rest of my life. :)

I can't be sure that Relora is the cause; It could be a placebo? or even the vitamins I take daily.  All I know is that I DONT feel how I used to after orgasm.  THERE IS HOPE FOR ALL!!!!!!

Tarkington--
Could the plant extracts that constitute Relora serve as a sedative or relaxant that has blunted the "craving" you talk about?  It sounds like the compulsiveness to engage in a certain behaviour significantly diminishes. Could the extracts in Relora act as a type of inhibitory mechanism to balance out whatever may cause compulsive behaviour and the resultant depression. I have a bottle or Relora on my desk, but I have not tried it yet.

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« Reply #3034 on: 22/01/2009 15:34:24 »
operation concentration did not succeed - I had to super force myself to focus in classes.
Memory seems to be still shaken
I was able to conversate though but without any jokes but that was cool.
I was able to feel that high you get from exercise.
 
ON NE good luck with that.
I tried sleeping using a  bottle but brain orgasm will get yah.

How does five hour energy shot feel during POIS
I used it once(decaf) during pois. It made me talk all day but didn't fix memory problems and concentration. 

CCconfucius, sorry you didn't have better results, but I love the name "Operation Concentration" [:)]

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« Reply #3035 on: 22/01/2009 15:44:02 »
Well I am about to finish my THIRD bottle of Relora (each last one month if you take three per day).  I have had an orgasm about everyday! Also, I never had that "craving" or empty feeling that I used to after orgasm that made me want to keep doing it over and over and over. 

I can control myself now.  When I get the urge I do it, that simple. I have tried abstaining; It's not that hard. But after a day or two the urge becomes strong and I eventually have an orgasm.

The MOST AMAZING part is that during the past three months I have NOT, THANK GOD!!!!, NOT felt the kind of mental depression and misery that I used to feel.  I don't know if I am now acting "normal," because I forgot how that used to feel after 5 or 6 years of such horrible separation from "normal." But I feel great and at peace with myself for once. I no longer worry about the effects of orgasm.

Also, Iam not sure if it is good that I am so dependent on Relora.  If I had enough money I would buy enough to last me the rest of my life. :)

I can't be sure that Relora is the cause; It could be a placebo? or even the vitamins I take daily.  All I know is that I DONT feel how I used to after orgasm.  THERE IS HOPE FOR ALL!!!!!!

Tarkington, great news! Don't worry about "Relora forever", a solution will become apparent eventually.

And if it's a placebo, enjoy it [:D]
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Re: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)
« Reply #3036 on: 22/01/2009 15:54:45 »
Forgot to mention... Caffine from Mountain Dews does have a noticable effect.  I am not sure to what extent, but it seems that caffine and Relora don't mix well.

My only concern with relora is that pharmacies don't have it in their "interaction effects" system so it's hard to tell what it's bad to mix with, Rx or OTC. Some previous posts about relora:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=relora+site%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fthenakedscientists.com&aq=f&oq=
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« Reply #3037 on: 22/01/2009 16:19:43 »

I also remember reading Demo's results were all below normal.


Limejuice, the testosterone was low and prolactin was sky-high.

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« Reply #3038 on: 22/01/2009 16:21:39 »

Time to quadruple my DMAE dosage.


Pro, I hope you're careful and getting good health care advice!
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« Reply #3039 on: 22/01/2009 16:46:34 »
Well I am about to finish my THIRD bottle of Relora (each last one month if you take three per day).  I have had an orgasm about everyday! Also, I never had that "craving" or empty feeling that I used to after orgasm that made me want to keep doing it over and over and over. 


Tarkington--
Could the plant extracts that constitute Relora serve as a sedative or relaxant that has blunted the "craving" you talk about?  It sounds like the compulsiveness to engage in a certain behaviour significantly diminishes. Could the extracts in Relora act as a type of inhibitory mechanism to balance out whatever may cause compulsive behaviour and the resultant depression. I have a bottle or Relora on my desk, but I have not tried it yet.


underwater,
Relora definitely acts to relax me throughout the day. For me the relaxation is not that strong.

With regards to orgasm, it seems that Relora prevents a high release of cortisol after orgasm.  The craving that I was referring to was always present after I felt a "buring warmth" in my body following orgasm which has been associated with the release of chemicals -- its hard to describe, but after that happened I felt compelled to have another orgasm.  That is the craving I was refering to.  Relora has gotten rid of that craving. My libido or sexual energy does not seem to be affected by Relora.  I still maintain a high sexual drive.

So it's interesting to see that I was addicted to having an orgasm after an orgasm, but Relora has gotten rid of that addictive behavior that I felt.

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« Reply #3040 on: 22/01/2009 17:54:39 »

...I was addicted to having an orgasm after an orgasm...


Horrible feeling for me! Someone here (sorry forgot who) said it very well: " During early POIS, I still feel like I'm 'in sex' "

Sadly (it's not a good feeling), that rings true for me.
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« Reply #3041 on: 22/01/2009 18:13:49 »
Forum tech disruptions

Everyone is frustrated, I've written complaints.

For now, hitting the "Refresh" button is all I can suggest! [:(]

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« Reply #3042 on: 22/01/2009 20:40:32 »
Tarkington, I'm really interested in any other changes you may have made and have continued, within months of when you started taking relora. e.g. exercise, diet, etc.  Also, it would be helpful to know the specifics of your condition (symptoms, how long you've had it, etc.), if you are willing to share this information.  Did you get my private message?
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« Reply #3043 on: 22/01/2009 20:53:09 »
Tip to all readers:
If you click on the person's name (for example Tarkington) and then click 'read last posts of this person' you can read many messages this person has posted.

I did this with Tarkington and it is amazing; I read this forum everyday and still there were many posts I couldn't remember having read them.

I was struck Tarkinton did have so much in common with my case; the feeling at the start of pois, the insomnia, the not having hunger the next day. So, I have ordered Relora as well. Tarkington on your site it is mentioned twice (one 7 dollar and one for 6 dollar; I can't see the difference; anyway I took your type (7). I also ordered at a Dutch site, so can report on that later as well.

Technical problems: have not encountered them yet here in Holland. I have made a full back-up of this forum. If anything happens to the site Demo, you have my e-mail so we can put it back up then.
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POIS, fatigue, brain fog, can't find words, irritated, can't concentrate.

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« Reply #3044 on: 22/01/2009 21:42:15 »
Blood Test Results:

An endocrine revieled my blood work results:

Testosterone - Normal
Prolactin - Normal
TSH - Moderately high 5.9

I showed her the POIS study and asked her for other possible ideas what is causing POIS.  She only recommended me to another doctor, "you've exhusted endocrine, check with a urologist."

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« Reply #3045 on: 23/01/2009 00:05:43 »
Blood Test Results:

An endocrine revieled my blood work results:

Testosterone - Normal
Prolactin - Normal
TSH - Moderately high 5.9

I showed her the POIS study and asked her for other possible ideas what is causing POIS.  She only recommended me to another doctor, "you've
exhusted endocrine, check with a urologist."

Wow! That is a really high TSH. I have read that "Recommendations from the American Association of Clinical
Endocrinologists now encourage
doctors to consider treatment for patients who test outside a narrower normal
range of .3 to 3.0."
(SOURCE: Mary Shomon--Living Well With Hypothyroidism) Some thyroid doctors draw the line
at 2.0, and one doctor (Bruce Rind) has found the "optimal range" of his healthiest patients to be btwn 1.3--1.8.

You might want to get a Free T3, Free T4, TPO and Reverse T3 to check out any potential thyroid issues. I had no idea
that I had a thyroid problem until I had all those tests, and now FINALLY I know. After 30 years of being left UN-diagnosed.
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« Reply #3046 on: 23/01/2009 00:43:14 »
Observation Re: POIS Symptoms
I have been thinking that isolating "predominant-primary" symptoms of POIS may be much more important than I first thought. From my reading now for many weeks, it appears that extreme exhaustion and a breakdown in concentration are at least two of these. For some of us however, orgasm may trigger a different group of "primary" symptoms, thus suggesting that orgasm influences other related or independent disorders, without "lining up" with the "predominant-primary" symptoms of POIS. Therefore, the focus of solutions may vary. Perhaps some sufferers need hormone therapy; others neurotransmitter intervention; others adrenal strengthening; others diet & exercise; others psychological assistance; others spiritual focus; others a combination.
In my view, POIS remains an apt description but perhaps with a broader understanding. 

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« Reply #3047 on: 23/01/2009 01:00:17 »
Thank you Girlwind and Demo and others I haven't noticed (my apologies for any omissions) for sharing your expensive and time consuming lab results with us. I spent my money on spinal therapy, because my lower back ties in to my POIS and GAD. That is a long story. I'd share results, but they are inconclusive; except to say that spinal stimulation definitely helps me across the board. I'm still waiting for my GAD to be finally gone, but the fiend still lingers.

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« Reply #3048 on: 23/01/2009 01:11:54 »

Technical problems: have not encountered them yet here in Holland. I have made a full back-up of this forum. If anything happens to the site Demo, you have my e-mail so we can put it back up then.


Rock, you are a Wizard! I really appreciate your generous time backing this up. The problems now are minor and weird, but hopefully nothing will crash.

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« Reply #3049 on: 23/01/2009 01:30:05 »

I'm still waiting for my GAD to be finally gone, but the fiend still lingers.


I wish the GAD-Fiend a swift death, Underwater! [:)]
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