[John21 (OP)]

tazdas,

After doing lots of research I found the supplements from this site 'http://www.actionlove.com/' to be really helpful and they relieved my symptoms specially the lower body pains/weakness. Not a very organized site but I found the some of his POIS explanations logical and understanding. 

I would suggest that you guys do your own research on this site and do a lot of reading and maybe try out the supplements..

I tried his suppliments once and it only helped to spend my money.

[martin88]

vasopressin is released more before orgasm (?).

I had the same question with a theory I posted on epinephrine. I can't know if epinephrine or vasopressin increase between 1 second before orgasm and just after. I don't have POIS if I stop just before orgasm..

It's possible that there is a sudden drop of vasopressin after orgasm causing POIS ??

[mellivora]

There's a LOT of info to digest on this forum. I'm still catching up! Congratulations to everyone who has alleviated their symptoms, it seems like there was a lot of progress for a few people earlier this year. It's inspiring.

Here's something that might be of interest to those nitric oxide theorists amongst you. (Demo and others have discussed this in relation to Levitra's effects and Chewbacca asked a long time ago if there was a natural source of nitric oxide). Beetroot juice is high in nitrate which may convert to nitric oxide in the body. The following artice hints at this in relation to athletic performance:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/8186947.stm

[GoingCrazy]

Goingcrazy, was that your first period of celibacy? Longest?

Definitely my longest for about 4 weeks.  But prior to that I would be off an on for a week, than a week 1/2, than a week of abstinence, etc.  Most times, not even reaching a week.

[Dean93]

Goingcrazy, was that your first period of celibacy? Longest?

Definitely my longest for about 4 weeks.  But prior to that I would be off an on for a week, than a week 1/2, than a week of abstinence, etc.  Most times, not even reaching a week.

How did you manage not to have any NE's?

I'd be celibate for as long as I had to if I could avoid those.

[demografx]

After doing lots of research I found the supplements from this site 'http://www.actionlove.com/' to be really helpful and they relieved my symptoms specially the lower body pains/weakness...I would suggest that you guys do your own research on this site and do a lot of reading and maybe try out the supplements..
 

tazdas, I get concerned about any first-time poster coming here after 5,000 posts to this forum and recommending products, especially ones we've looked at and not very favorably (as John indicated). It's considered spam, and the poster is subject to banning, so I am deleting that reference. Here's a couple hundred Google results on actionlove.com you may want to read first from this forum. If you have comments about the previous posts, please let us know:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=actionlove.com+POIS+site%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fthenakedscientists.com&aq=f&oq=&aqi=

If you'd like to know more about us first, let me know and I'd be happy to start you off with some references about this forum and our website.

[Defsync]

btw people, if you click the PRINT icon at the top or bottom of this thread, it displays the ENTIRE thread (every post) on one page in a general text format. I've been doing this periodically then saving it to my hard drive as backup/up-to-date reference.

[GoingCrazy]

Goingcrazy, was that your first period of celibacy? Longest?

Definitely my longest for about 4 weeks.  But prior to that I would be off an on for a week, than a week 1/2, than a week of abstinence, etc.  Most times, not even reaching a week.

How did you manage not to have any NE's?

I'd be celibate for as long as I had to if I could avoid those.

         Well, I can only say I experienced an NE once during the 4 week period of abstinence, and that was possibly, not really sure I had it.  I don't take any measures to avoid it.  But the first one I had during abstinence led me feeling very calm afterwards, non-POIS like. 
         Say now if I had an NE I doubt it would lead me into POIS because I believe my orgasms now to have a say, 1/3 chance of causing POIS.  As I said I had about 5 orgasms and the last one spiraled me into POIS and bad moods, etc.

[Dean93]

Thanks Goingcrazy.

Was anyone here not breastfed as an infant? I wasn't.

[demografx]

Disappointed, but also encouraged

Martin was the only forum member who responded to my request for feedback on GARD. I don't recall about NORD and the Email List for outreach, but my sense is that response is very, very light.

As GARD and NORD have both pointed out, the difference between success and failure for groups like us - in finding funding and researchers for curing POIS - is to become a strong advocacy group.

How do we do that?

However, I'm very strongly encouraged by the 3 forum members who have stepped forward and committed hard, cold cash towards researching our cure!

Very exciting news!

[demografx]

btw people, if you click the PRINT icon at the top or bottom of this thread, it displays the ENTIRE thread (every post) on one page in a general text format. I've been doing this periodically then saving it to my hard drive as backup/up-to-date reference.

Thank you, Defsync. That is very useful info. I didn't realize it was so easy to backup this whole thread!

[demografx]

1) taking Desmopressin (the synthetic form of Vasopressin), to see if POIS symptoms result. It can be ordered here:

I've been toying with the idea of taking this for years for my nocturia, with my urologist's approval, but I've been afraid of the side effects.

[CertainlyPOIS]

This adrenal fatigue seems very plausible. It kinda touches on everyone symptoms and things noticed about pois.
It connects immunity, fatigue, brain fog, sleep ( deep sleep and inability to sleep at night even though tired) It also explains why carbhydrate worsens symptoms and why lots of protein helps symptoms.
The adrenal might connect all our symptoms.
What do you guys think.

After my blood test result come where i tested 13 hormones i think i am going to do adrenal streess index.

[demografx]

This adrenal fatigue seems very plausible. It kinda touches on everyone symptoms and things noticed about pois.
It connects immunity, fatigue, brain fog, sleep ( deep sleep and inability to sleep at night even though tired) It also explains why carbhydrate worsens symptoms and why lots of protein helps symptoms.
The adrenal might connect all our symptoms.
What do you guys think.

After my blood test result come where i tested 13 hormones i think i am going to do adrenal streess index.

POIS gives me carb cravings, then indulging the carbs helps. Especially lasagna.

[demografx]

I think it is the opposite for most people. Does anyone else have POIS carbo-crave?

[Defsync]

I think it is the opposite for most people. Does anyone else have POIS carbo-crave?

only craving I get from POIS is for a week to pass by as quickly as possible =)

[CertainlyPOIS]

During pois i get craving for anything but when i eat lots of carbs i feel the pain.

Bjim, why do you say the pancreas too.

[JonJen99]

Herbs and supplements I've tried

ZMA: (Zinc, Magnesium, b vitamin): made it worst (no longer take)

Ashwaghanda: helped a little at first but later caused difficulty sleeping (no longer take)

Rhodiola Rosea: slight increase in energy, but caused difficulty sleeping (no longer take)

Like another poster above me, I have actually had BETTER sleep with Rhodiola rosea. My experience is that if you take it no later than 5 PM or so, there's no issue even for the sensitive person. I can take it at 10 PM and go to sleep an hour later, with the most incredible dreams! The brand I take has no additives (it's called Mind Body & Spirit) while some of them have caffeine in them. That might be what bothered you! Try some of the better brands, the high end ones (that work) include Verde Botanica and the one I mentioned. Good luck!

[GoingCrazy]

I think it is the opposite for most people. Does anyone else have POIS carbo-crave?

It's not like I crave carbs, it's just that I am hungry all the time.  When I eat carbs, especially pasta, I usually get really tired at least for an hour afterwards.

[POIS-SUFFERER]

Sclover49


--  For my personal experiences, I was in college all last year and I would say I got about 12 hours of sleep each night for half of a year.  What I didn't do was go to bed before 12.  My sleep hours would honestly be from 2 am to about 2 pm, because I took night classes.  I honestly feel better sleeping before 12, and waking up as the sun wakes me up.  I try not to "sleep in" as I did in college because it didn't help me.  But what I did not do in college was combine a lot of sleep with celibacy.

--  I think sleeping before 12 pm is the serotonin/dopamine/melatonin  <-- I really don't know but--- something with chemicals in your head.  In POIS I never get tired.  Out of POIS I can actually feel my body getting tired... Maybe a buildup of some kind of chemical depleted after orgasm?

--  As for being weaker than my friends... it all depends on who to compare it too.  I believe POIS has no affect on your size, but definitely your strength and ability to perform.  <-- POIS mental affects.  I experience about double the brain fog I normally do after a long workout for some reason.  I had that thought in my head too, I think it's more of a depressed POIS thing, thinking I am worse than others around me.

--  Even now with sleep I would have to say I wake up about 3-4 times each night, and I also sleep with a fan blowing in my face which helps me fall asleep, but maybe that's not such a good idea for deep sleep.

Does anybody experience a bad reaction after viewing porn, not after masturbating.. just viewing porn?  Maybe it is a guilt thing.

I have quit sexual stimulation "non-orgasmic" sex, masturbation and viewing porn...a complete laissez-faire "hands off" type of personality      []

As I am learning from my Homeopath Dr. it seems my POIS could all be related to a burned out adrenals, your adrenals has a cycle in 4 phases.... it needs you to go to sleep by around 10PM! and wake around 8AM, this is its normal rythum, this is why you may feel this way..... If it is a burned out adrenal causing your issues, you will probably feel most alert and active in the later evening also! and have a hard time waking....

Also the sleepy with carbs she said was also related and I have that too! Not just sleepy but sever fatigue!

PS.

(I am not a DR, I am only relaying info)