[GoingCrazy]

B_Jim, I actually do have terrible inflammation symptoms, and I used to have terrible spiking fevers with chills, but that has slowed down since I've taken antibiotics.

goingcrazy, I am being treated for Lyme. I may have something close to late stage, so I'm taking 3 separate "antis" (antibiotic, antimicrobial, antibacterial, etc.)

Actually, looking back at my own health history, it seems that I've had POIS symptoms for as long as I now suspect I've had Lyme. That's about 3-4 years.

You don't know how bad I'm hoping to get diagnosed with Lyme disease this Friday

[Dean93]

I just realized that POIS symptoms closely resemble Lyme's disease symptoms: fevers, fatigue, brain fog, vision trouble, depression, and if I recall correctly some of you have inflammation problems. Consider the facts.
Eating carbs and sugar worsens symptoms. Carbs and sugar is what bacteria like Lyme eats.
Orgasms boost/strengthen the immune system. Lyme symptoms are mainly the over-activation of the immune system. Activated immune system therefore makes symptoms worse.

Just up for consideration.

-A POIS and Lyme sufferer

I know you don't want to give any medical advice or anything, because no one but medical doctors are..."qualified" to do so. But would you say taking Vitamin C for POIS would be a bad idea? I just purchased some in the hopes of boosting my immune system fight whatever is causing POIS, but you post made me think twice. Can you say anything else about that?

Note: This time around, I'm going to try relora on a daily basis, working up eventually to 3 a day. I'm also adding exercise after a NE. I'll report back on how it goes.

[CrazyFox]

there is a characteristic "bullseye" rash that occurs with lyme disease...did you ever see that on yourself RhythmSpring?

[martin88]

Martin 88, have you ever noticed blureed vision because that is one of the symptoms of pitiutary extra growth.

Yes I noticed this symptom, specially in POIS, but I don't have this now since a long time. It seems it was triggered by excessive fruit juice intake + POIS.

I tried pycnogenol one full bottle without any success..
However the supplement acerola you mentionned was a bit helpful for my POIS. (very small doses otherwise I feel anxiety).
Perhaps something to do with this :
Human adrenal glands secrete vitamin C in response to ACTH  http://www.ajcn.org/cgi/content/full/86/1/145

[John21 (OP)]

GC,

[John21, what I was asking was about how many NE's did you experience before the next NE you had was non-pois?

I'm sorry I'm still confused about what you are asking. I have had many many many NEs in my life that produced POIS. It has only been recent that NEs have not produced symptoms. All of a sudden they stopped producing symptoms.

There have been other times in my life when I my symptoms seemed gone or at least improved, especially when I was experimenting with consuming garlic regularly, but later on symptoms returned leaving me unsure about that remedy.

Dean93,

I think anhedonia is a great way to describe the way I feel during POIS. I'm sure alot of other sufferers would agree.

Not for me, that is way too neutral. For me my symptoms were living hell: extremely uncomfortable mental shift with degraded short term memory, and resulting panic in attempt to appear to be functioning normally.

[martin88]

I am hoping some of you try the cranberry thing.

I'm eating wild bluberries and added one supplement containing antioxydants from cranberries, blueberries and grape.
I suppose it will take more time to feel a positive effect.

[CrazyFox]

"...two brain chemicals, serotonin and beta-endorphin, tend to be lower in sugar sensitive individuals. These two chemicals can influence your mood and energy levels. They make us feel mellow, content, and even help block pain (Think of a “runner’s high). Having low levels of these chemicals results in feeling scattered, emotional, depressed, acting impulsively, and cravings sweets or refined carbs.

Eating sugar increases the release of these brain chemicals, but the effect this has in a sugar sensitive person can be dramatic. Sugar can make the sugar sensitive person feel giddy, confident, lively, talkative, and other symptoms similar to having too many alcoholic drinks!

When the brain becomes dependent on sugar, it wants (and needs) more in order to get those great feelings. The more sugar we eat, the more we want! It becomes a vicious cycle.

Eating sugar also spikes an insulin response; blood sugar levels sore and then eventually crash. Unstable blood sugar levels leave us irritable, moody, lethargic, and craving more sweets. And eating more sweets just exacerbates the unstable blood sugar levels– another vicious cycle.

The solution for sugar addiction, according to Potatoes, Not Prozac, is to raise serotonin and beta-endorphin in a healthier manner and steady blood sugar levels, all the while slowly weaning yourself off sugar."

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So I have had lifelong issues of overconsumption of sugars/sweets and would definitely go through withdrawal symptoms when trying to stop eating them...I remember hearing that many people who have had had psychotic breaks and ended up going on killing sprees were found to be chronic carb addicts, eating tons and tons of carbs as a way of life....just curious who else has/had this issue....just thining about it makes me want to go get some twizzlers

[GoingCrazy]

You guys are drinking cranberry juice right? not eating raw cranberries.

John21, sorry for the misunderstanding, I guess what I am trying to say is since celibacy, how long did it take you for you to experience non-pois NE's?

I'm going to the doctors tomorrow to be tested for lyme, and/or other mysterious illnesses.

Hey guys, I have an idea, for all the NE sufferers, let's go buy needles and every 2 weeks drain some out of our testicles.  Lol  [].  But, it may help.

[GoingCrazy]

goingcrazy : Did you make an Elisa test for lyme ?

Hmm, not sure, just scheduled a regular doctor visit, but I will tell them to take blood from me and test for lyme or any other bacteria.

[John21 (OP)]

GC,
Oh I have been celibate for a few years now, with some slipups and the occasional NEs. It's funny with me NEs come in sets, if I have one tonight then I'm bound to have another sometime soon. Could it be a "rewiring" from celibacy that is helping me? It is possible, but I am still guessing something in the cranberries. I wish Martin could get real cranberries where he lives, maybe other people can try it for a trial. Yes GC I eat the actual berry, I chop up frozen berries and put them in yogurt with frozen blueberries, this hides the sour taste.

[GoingCrazy]

I just realized that POIS symptoms closely resemble Lyme's disease symptoms: fevers, fatigue, brain fog, vision trouble, depression, and if I recall correctly some of you have inflammation problems. Consider the facts.
Eating carbs and sugar worsens symptoms. Carbs and sugar is what bacteria like Lyme eats.
Orgasms boost/strengthen the immune system. Lyme symptoms are mainly the over-activation of the immune system. Activated immune system therefore makes symptoms worse.

Just up for consideration.

-A POIS and Lyme sufferer

I know you don't want to give any medical advice or anything, because no one but medical doctors are..."qualified" to do so. But would you say taking Vitamin C for POIS would be a bad idea? I just purchased some in the hopes of boosting my immune system fight whatever is causing POIS, but you post made me think twice. Can you say anything else about that?

Note: This time around, I'm going to try relora on a daily basis, working up eventually to 3 a day. I'm also adding exercise after a NE. I'll report back on how it goes.

Hmm... I took vitamin C, didn't seem to benefit me or be unbeneficial.

Dean, Do you recommend exercise after an NE? Does it help you?

[RhythmSpring]

there is a characteristic "bullseye" rash that occurs with lyme disease...did you ever see that on yourself RhythmSpring?

The rash does not always happen, and can occur in places unseeable. I did not see a rash, but I have been bitten by various ticks in over the years.

[CrazyFox]

that's too bad that the rashes don't always happen...how could one ever know if they were bitten?...there are ticks everywhere! 

[CertainlyPOIS]

Martin 88, have you ever noticed blureed vision because that is one of the symptoms of pitiutary extra growth.

Yes I noticed this symptom, specially in POIS, but I don't have this now since a long time. It seems it was triggered by excessive fruit juice intake + POIS.

I tried pycnogenol one full bottle without any success..
However the supplement acerola you mentionned was a bit helpful for my POIS. (very small doses otherwise I feel anxiety).
Perhaps something to do with this :
Human adrenal glands secrete vitamin C in response to ACTH  http://www.ajcn.org/cgi/content/full/86/1/145

did you take pyconogenol at saturation level or just normal three times a day.

John 21 already started blueberry and cranberry, still need to go buy yogurt, this is third day.
hopefully it is the culprit bringing hope.

[demografx]

Martin, that Nutrition Journal looks like an interesting resource.

[Dean93]

I just realized that POIS symptoms closely resemble Lyme's disease symptoms: fevers, fatigue, brain fog, vision trouble, depression, and if I recall correctly some of you have inflammation problems. Consider the facts.
Eating carbs and sugar worsens symptoms. Carbs and sugar is what bacteria like Lyme eats.
Orgasms boost/strengthen the immune system. Lyme symptoms are mainly the over-activation of the immune system. Activated immune system therefore makes symptoms worse.

Just up for consideration.

-A POIS and Lyme sufferer

I know you don't want to give any medical advice or anything, because no one but medical doctors are..."qualified" to do so. But would you say taking Vitamin C for POIS would be a bad idea? I just purchased some in the hopes of boosting my immune system fight whatever is causing POIS, but you post made me think twice. Can you say anything else about that?

Note: This time around, I'm going to try relora on a daily basis, working up eventually to 3 a day. I'm also adding exercise after a NE. I'll report back on how it goes.

Hmm... I took vitamin C, didn't seem to benefit me or be unbeneficial.

Dean, Do you recommend exercise after an NE? Does it help you?

I was planning on taking Vitamic C as part of an anti candida regimen, I know not everyone wants to hear about that but I think every cure is worth a try.

There were 2 consecutive NE's after which I did some fast carido (on a treadmill). This really reduced my POIS to the point of where I don't even think I had it! I just felt very "chill" and relaxed, not very intense. After those two times I was foolish enough to masturbate, and that set me into the POIS spiral.

Haha, you picked a good time to ask, GC, because tonight, I had an NE. During the 4 days (what a rip-off!) I've had out of POIS, I've taken 1, 2, 2, and 3 capsules of relora 250 mg each. John advised me to work up to the dosage (Thank you John, it was a little hasty but apparently it had to be) << [should that be edited leaing Johns name out of it? I dont want to get anyone in trouble.] Anyway, I ran for sixteen minutes at 6 miles per hour and a ten inch incline. I hope that will be enough to fend off the symptoms like the last times (I think this is more that usual.)

Well, it's back off to bed with me now. I'll report back. I made plans tomorrow, wish me luck!

[demografx]

CrazyFox, I lean towards introversion. But I do have periods when I can be a "supersalesman"

[demografx]

Good Luck, Dean!

[demografx]

I am really just freaking out.  There would have to be no way that hormones can cause this feeling I am experiencing right now.

GC, why not?

[demografx]

"Introverts have reactions to two neurotransmitters. They have a low tolerance to dopamine, the thrill-seeking neurotransmitter. Essentially, introverts need way less of this than do extroverts, and too much dopamine makes them anxious and eventually drained. For introverts, outside stimulation which increases dopamine levels is much like being tickled: not so bad at first, but it can escalate and become very stressful and uncomfortable. Introverts prefer the neurotransmitter acetylcholine, which produces a feeling of calm and wellbeing. This neurotransmitter is raised during calm, reflective activities like reading or drawing."

Maybe this explains why all my life I've inexplicably had a VERY LOUSY reaction to exercise! (20 minutes of "appropriate cardio level" feels like someone poured a gallon of coffee down my throat!!!).