Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (POIS)

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« Reply #6100 on: 19/11/2009 05:48:39 »
Has anyone actually had their histamine and prolactin levels checked.  Suppose this was a cassein allergy or celiac disease.  These are both auto immune responses that increase prolactin.  These problems exist for many Americans who remain undiagnosed.  If one had either of these auto immune deficiencies their symptoms could be worse post orgasm. 

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Suppose this was a cassein allergy or celiac disease.  These are both auto immune responses that increase prolactin.

Thanks. I try to know if gluten and dairy products digestion (or milk composition) could have an effect on Pois.

It was almost 10 years ago when I stopped consuming all dairy products and was sure that was responsible for a big improvement (symptoms disappearing). I also remember trying tyrosine at that time. But my symptoms must have returned as I abandoned the theory, although I am fuzzy on the details now.

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« Reply #6102 on: 19/11/2009 12:29:51 »
Do not waste your money on any of the herbal love products.  They were the first I found, that said anything about POIS.  Dr. Lin's writing was so informative, and I assumed his products would cure me.  I spent months on them with little or no change.  There is probably no one out there that writes as much as he does about the subject.  It is terrible that Herballove steals money from people who are just looking for relief.  They could at least help the subject gain populartiy, and conduct significant research.

Thx for the feedback...

"I have an appointment with a neurologist this wed. for a possible mri, I'm thinking about pre-"O"-ing but I really don't feel like going through that whole cycle again.  Every time 'Im in POIS my work production is down, so in college I am baasically useless during that time."

Z one, i will go "drained" just to make sure.


I am going to psychiatrist to get cognition/concentration and i am going "drained"m hopefully without delibrate actions to fail, i do bad on that test and may be we can have one more proof to fight with.

I hear you...

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« Reply #6103 on: 19/11/2009 16:48:30 »

Ironically, he ["Dr" Lin]'s the only person very active about post-orgasmic symptoms because he makes money with our problem.I'm fairly pessimistic about chance to find someone to help us.


You're right, money does drive a lot of research, including shoddy research such as his. But if we all fight together, we will have a much better chance.

B_Jim, you were here at the beginning of this forum. Look at how much we have accomplished with no help! We have a social network, a compendium, a website, research interest expressed by Watson, and much more, including your fantastic compilation of theories and treatments!

And you and I have both made very significant progress in our own POIS healing.

And forum members have pledged $4,500! We can hire a researcher today if we want to. It might only be a graduate student in endocrinology, but compare that to 3 years ago!

All that we have accomplished makes finding someone easier. And anyone who wants to make a career in sexual dysfunction should be interested. But it's up to us to proactively seek these people out. With more than just "demo" sending out a letter here and there. We need to mount an aggressive campaign.

Please understand that I agree with you: it's difficult to find someone to help us. I'm simply trying to inject a small dose of positive thinking.  [:)]



We have to stay optimistic, there to many doctors/reasearchers for us think they will all respond to pois the same, we dont know we might find one who has heard of it happening to a close friend or family, and will be more willing to help.  If demo can find a doctor who is willing to listen eventough his testosterone was withing lower end of range after so many years, i think we still have hope.

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« Reply #6104 on: 19/11/2009 16:49:47 »
Has anyone actually had their histamine and prolactin levels checked.  Suppose this was a cassein allergy or celiac disease.  These are both auto immune responses that increase prolactin.  These problems exist for many Americans who remain undiagnosed.  If one had either of these auto immune deficiencies their symptoms could be worse post orgasm. 
I have done prolactin twice from two different labs. One was while i was hyper and recovery and other was when i was deep in pois. both results came out about the same and in normal range.

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« Reply #6105 on: 19/11/2009 17:39:13 »
Sorry to report...

To demografx:
 
Dr. Garber has reviewed your emails and, based on the information reviewed and current AACE priorities, the funding to pursue this matter is not presently in AACE's budget.  We appreciate you contacting AACE regarding this matter and wish you much success in your endeavors.
 
 
 
Lynn Blanco
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American Association of Clinical Endocrinologists
245 Riverside Avenue, Suite 200
Jacksonville, FL 32202
Phone:  (904) 353-7878  Ext. 131
Fax:  (904) 353-8185
E-mail:  lblanco@aace.com


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« Reply #6106 on: 19/11/2009 17:53:48 »


Has anyone actually had their histamine and prolactin levels checked.  Suppose this was a cassein allergy or celiac disease.  These are both auto immune responses that increase prolactin.  These problems exist for many Americans who remain undiagnosed.  If one had either of these auto immune deficiencies their symptoms could be worse post orgasm. 


My prolactin was sky high! Hyperprolactinemia. An MRI of my pituitary revealed no tumors, a standard approach to hyperprolactinemia.

Today, medicine pays little attention to prolactin in men, so I did my own research and cured myself, with my endo's approval. I found in wikipedia that some prescription drugs are often to blame, including reglan. So I quit reglan, and my prolactin went from 90 to.........9. Normal!
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« Reply #6107 on: 19/11/2009 17:55:05 »
Sorry to report...

To demografx:
 
Dr. Garber has reviewed your emails and, based on the information reviewed and current AACE priorities, the funding to pursue this matter is not presently in AACE's budget.  We appreciate you contacting AACE regarding this matter and wish you much success in your endeavors.
 
 
 
Lynn Blanco
Executive Assistant to CEO
American Association of Clinical Endocrinologists
245 Riverside Avenue, Suite 200
Jacksonville, FL 32202
Phone:  (904) 353-7878  Ext. 131
Fax:  (904) 353-8185
E-mail:  lblanco@aace.com



...that's very unfortunate... but seriously who cares??...let's contact Oprah!
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« Reply #6108 on: 19/11/2009 17:58:49 »

Demo, it's difficult to be agressive with POIS. Let's take a break!
:)


Dr Martin, <saluting> I hereby follow your advice. Happily. [:)]

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« Reply #6109 on: 19/11/2009 18:06:30 »
Sorry to report...

To demografx:
 
Dr. Garber has reviewed your emails and, based on the information reviewed and current AACE priorities, the funding to pursue this matter is not presently in AACE's budget.  We appreciate you contacting AACE regarding this matter and wish you much success in your endeavors.
 
 
 
Lynn Blanco
Executive Assistant to CEO
American Association of Clinical Endocrinologists
245 Riverside Avenue, Suite 200
Jacksonville, FL 32202
Phone:  (904) 353-7878  Ext. 131
Fax:  (904) 353-8185
E-mail:  lblanco@aace.com



...that's very unfortunate... but seriously who cares??...let's contact Oprah!

"Who cares?". I find that incredibly insensitive. A lot of thought and work went into that! And the chances of Oprah responding is about 1:1,000,000. Do you want her email? Send her something. I'll give you our letter, too, ok? Do you know what AACE is about and why we picked them???

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« Reply #6110 on: 19/11/2009 18:19:07 »
« Last Edit: 19/11/2009 18:21:03 by demografx »

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« Reply #6111 on: 19/11/2009 18:39:42 »
Sorry to report...

To demografx:
 
Dr. Garber has reviewed your emails and, based on the information reviewed and current AACE priorities, the funding to pursue this matter is not presently in AACE's budget.  We appreciate you contacting AACE regarding this matter and wish you much success in your endeavors.
 
 
 
Lynn Blanco
Executive Assistant to CEO
American Association of Clinical Endocrinologists
245 Riverside Avenue, Suite 200
Jacksonville, FL 32202
Phone:  (904) 353-7878  Ext. 131
Fax:  (904) 353-8185
E-mail:  lblanco@aace.com



...that's very unfortunate... but seriously who cares??...let's contact Oprah!

"Who cares?". I find that incredibly insensitive. A lot of thought and work went into that! And the chances of Oprah responding is about 1:1,000,000. Do you want her email? Send her something. I'll give you our letter, too, ok? Do you know what AACE is about and why we picked them???

I think you misread my message.....I didn't say "who cares" for your work but for their answer!....well what do you want me to say? Hurray! or Bravo!??? I said it's very unfortunate and I am not going to cry for you about it!....
I don't know how much work you put into this but it still doesn't matter.....since you got a rejection for now!. Therefore we move forward.....and thanks for the link ..1 in a million or one in a trillion...there's no harm in trying other options,,,,so yes I wouldn't mind you sending me the letter you have prepared....perhaps I can you give a constructive feedback on it.....after which we can email her.....
 
.....and for God's sake let's try to keep the sense of humor going here...it will help our dopamine levels stay high!

Kind regards,
« Last Edit: 19/11/2009 19:27:46 by Z_one »

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« Reply #6112 on: 19/11/2009 19:34:29 »
OK, Z_one! My humor is usually high, but this one got to me for some reason. And wording on the Internet I think needs just a teensy more care since facial expressions, inflection, body language are all missing and I believe can easily come across more negatively than intended. It's just stark black and white writing. "Who cares" is not something I would write, but now I understand you better.

I just sent you the outreach letter by Private Message.

If anyone else wants to send letters, just let me know!

Z_one, Thanks again for stepping up!!
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« Reply #6113 on: 19/11/2009 20:08:11 »

Can anyone explain the difference between endorphins and dopamine? They're both internally generated "feel good" chemicals and almost seem to be the same as I've heard them described.
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« Reply #6114 on: 19/11/2009 21:57:12 »
 Trying AACE when economy bounces back, may bring better luck. And hopefully the persistence is helpful.

On raising money:  If the money raised is not enough, it can be placed in safe investments like treasury bill and so on. 
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« Reply #6115 on: 19/11/2009 22:50:38 »

Thanks CC, for the note of optimism on AACE!

On POIS money pledged here: it's up to the individual donors to decide what to do with their pledged amounts. At the forum, I think it's best to request these funds only when the expenditure is approved and we need to make payments.
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« Reply #6116 on: 19/11/2009 22:53:37 »

Z_one, the outreach letter I PM'd you includes an attachment of Dr Waldinger's POIS study. If you want it, The only way I can send you the PDF is via your regular email address, which you can PM to me. If you do, please use "AT" instead of "@", this system intermittently rejects "@".

Thanks again!
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« Reply #6117 on: 19/11/2009 23:44:40 »
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Suppose this was a cassein allergy or celiac disease.  These are both auto immune responses that increase prolactin.

Thanks. I try to know if gluten and dairy products digestion (or milk composition) could have an effect on Pois.

It was almost 10 years ago when I stopped consuming all dairy products and was sure that was responsible for a big improvement (symptoms disappearing). I also remember trying tyrosine at that time. But my symptoms must have returned as I abandoned the theory, although I am fuzzy on the details now.

now see Milk does something funny to me as well...  makes my brain very tired and increases difficulty in thinking... wtf is in milk that could cause this? I dont drink milk at all, havent touched it in a decade...

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« Reply #6118 on: 19/11/2009 23:51:38 »
I have an appointment with a neurologist this wed. for a possible mri, I'm thinking about pre-"O"-ing but I really don't feel like going through that whole cycle again.  Every time Im in POIS my work production is down, so in college I am baasically useless during that time.
A quick question: I have noticed that the surface my tongue becomes whitish (not candida like) on POIS day 2-3-4-5 and then it clears up. Do you have the same observation? Although a seemingly small symptom it could actually mean a lot if it is a common observation.

Especially in the mornings I wake up with this all the time now, It never used to be this bad... Yet again I don't know if it is candida but many people do have it.  I showed my mom and she showed me that she also had it.
I don't know about you guys....but I am today 30 and POIS has already eaten up 6 years of my life.....the saddest thing however is that with all modesty, I believe that I am a guy with great potential and great natural gifts from God,,,,only out of 100 I am only able to use 20% of my potentials thx to POIS! And Iam sure that many of you guys are like me,,,,
 So I think u got the message my professional life is getting wasted (Currently unemployed, I actually fear employment now), my marital life is getting wasted (No wife, not even a possible prospect), my social life is getting wasted (No friends, don't ask), and even my Dog has been starting to stare at me in weird manners lately (No pets?)...I feel he's trying to tell me sometimes....: WHAT THE HECK IS WRONG WITH YOU MASTER?  I wish I could tell him....but Iam too tired, exhausted and depleted too try translating to him.....well that's the bad news....



I feel the same way, like people are looking at me like I have done something wrong, like the world doesn't orgasm and if you do people hate you...( like the world doesnt masturbate [:o]...) haha sounds crazy but I usually say to myself that once I "O", I will be hated that day and the day after, (maybe something psychological that I am trying to place restrictions on my O, but idk),  this whole POIS thing is turning into a mental battle and sometimes I do feel like I am losing my mind.

skip the mri, do an "O" and get a cytokine check instead. tell them you want to be checked like someone who has "chemo brain"

mri's dont show crap, and your insurance company will be less likely to assist you with other tests after you use up $18,000 of their money on a test that's going to give you zero results. this of course is my opinion and experience, as I have severe POIS and my mri showed jack squat. =P

however if you do go forward with the MRI, you HAVE to "O" no matter what, as to NOT too reduces the chance the MRI will show anything. theres no point in taking that chance.
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« Reply #6119 on: 20/11/2009 00:37:01 »

My MRI of the brain/pituitary only showed a partially empty sella. But the main thing that the MRI revealed is that there were no tumors causing my sky-high prolactin.

The MRI ate up $9,000 of insurance, but I'm glad I did it. I sure as heck wouldn't like to wonder for the rest of my life if there were tumors in my pituitary!
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« Reply #6120 on: 20/11/2009 02:03:11 »
I understand.

I'm reluctant to push to try T for one reason - I don't want to jeopardize my natural production of T.  If supplemented T is not the answer to POIS for me, and in testing this disrupted the natural levels for the rest of my life, I would be....upset.

With only you, Demo, cured that risk is too high for me.  If most the forum was cured with T that's a different story.


Make that two of us now! I can safely say that T treatments (5 mg patches) are helping me. I will estimate 60% because it seems to have shortened my recovery time to about half and the time I'm in POIS is less severe. As I stated almost three months ago that I would be happy to see a 5% or 10% improvement - I am seeing far better than that!

I went from 3-4 days of full blown POIS to a day or two. What is strange is that my 1st day, before T treatment, wasn't too bad; now it is my worst day, but day two is much better; which WAS my worst day. So it seems to have accelerated the time for POIS to "kick-in" and also go away. The whole nightmarish process has been moved up by a couple of days.

What does this mean? Is it just the addition of T that is causing improvement? Or is the additional T affecting some other function that speeds up the time to reach full POIS symptoms and recovery?

I don't know what is happening, of course, but I'm sure glad it is!!!!! After over 30 years of this plague, this is the first time I have tried anything that helped!! Thanks Demo!! POIS is getting cross wired... interupted... or something because it is definitely different than it has ever been after "O" for me.

Thanks to everyone involved in this forum! If we keep it up, I know we'll beat this thing!!

« Last Edit: 20/11/2009 02:16:19 by EDS »

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« Reply #6121 on: 20/11/2009 02:24:27 »
Just got back from my Dr's appt. My Dr agreed with Dr in's theory about what happens to our body at O, because it IS what happens at O.
He did not think much of the products Dr Lin sells.
He did not RX SSRI's to me. He said they were not the answer and would probably have a negative effect for pois.
He felt the main culprit here is low dopamine level.He said that is the main transmitter and responsible for the good feelings we get from O. If enough isnt present, the response will be bad and exhausting.

His treatment is 3 herbal suppliments that are precursers to dopamine and seratonin. 1] 5HTP[for seratonin], 2] Mucuna[for dopamine] 3] a product high in selenium. He said he treats Parkins patients much in the same way, with good success getting rid of their tremors.

He says all 3 will increase my dopamine level. He said that the main neurotransmitter after O, which gives us a good feeling after O is dopamine.He explained that if we are low in dopamine, the bodys response to O is negative. Over time,,If we abstain, the bodys dopamine level slowly rises into the normal range, only to be depleted after the next time in the bedroom.
He felt the main cause, for me anyway, was a dopamine deficiency, and also low seratonin.
He also told me that one hit of cocaine[ i never did cocaine or any drugs] will use up the bodies supply of dopamine and it talks a full year for the dopamine level to be restored. I mention this only because it shows how important and frail this neurotransmitter is, and , just in case anyone has done this drug may explain possibly why they have pois and that quiting such drugs may reverse your symptoms over time.
My Dr feels my problem, as i described it, can be treated. But again, the proof will be in the pudding.
I will keep you posted as to how i do over time.
oh also--- my T level is now 899, which is a great number for a 48yr old male, but still does not change my pois symptoms. I am hopeful this latest treatment gives relief to me and all my fellow sufferers who read this. Hopefully i will have good things to report shortly!

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« Reply #6122 on: 20/11/2009 02:26:08 »

I understand.

I'm reluctant to push to try T for one reason - I don't want to jeopardize my natural production of T.  If supplemented T is not the answer to POIS for me, and in testing this disrupted the natural levels for the rest of my life, I would be....upset.

With only you, Demo, cured that risk is too high for me.  If most the forum was cured with T that's a different story.


Make that two of us now! I can safely say that T treatments (5 mg patches) are helping me. I will estimate 60% because it seems to have shortened my recovery time to about half and the time I'm in POIS is less severe. As I stated almost three months ago that I would be happy to see a 5% or 10% improvement - I am seeing far better than that!

I went from 3-4 days of full blown POIS to a day or two. What is strange is that my 1st day, before T treatment, wasn't too bad; now it is my worst day, but day two is much better; which WAS my worst day. So it seems to have accelerated the time for POIS to "kick-in" and also go away. The whole nightmarish process has been moved up by a couple of days.

What does this mean? Is it just the addition of T that is causing improvement? Or is the additional T affecting some other function that speeds up the time to reach full POIS symptoms and recovery?

I don't know what is happening, of course, but I'm sure glad it is!!!!! After over 30 years of this plague, this is the first time I have tried anything that helped!! Thanks Demo!! POIS is getting cross wired... interupted... or something because it is definitely different than it has ever been after "O" for me.

Thanks to everyone involved in this forum! If we keep it up, I know we'll beat this thing!!




Wow, EDS, I'm thrilled for you!!!

My thoughts about it are exactly like yours! I would add that it feels like "rapid sperm replenishment" is the reason why equilibrium comes back so much faster.

Thanks so much for sharing your success with the group.
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« Reply #6123 on: 20/11/2009 02:34:52 »

I am hopeful this latest treatment gives relief to me and all my fellow sufferers who read this. Hopefully i will have good things to report shortly!


I don't understand the basis, but if it provides POIS relief, I wish you the absolute best!

Here are some previous experiences posted here with 5HTP:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=5HTP+POIS+site%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fthenakedscientists.com&aq=f&oq=&aqi=

Can you please share with us what your doc's background or qualifications are in claiming to understand the relationships between orgasm, serotonin and dopamine...and his recommendations to you?

Or do you just generally trust his judgement?
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« Reply #6124 on: 20/11/2009 03:07:14 »

Article on Dopamine and Orgasm:
http://scienceblogs.com/cortex/2008/02/dopamine_and_orgasm.php

And one more: from The Science of Orgasm:
http://www.thepsychologist.org.uk/archive/archive_home.cfm?volumeID=21&editionID=157&ArticleID=1303

pauliebaby, thanks for re-opening the ongoing orgasm-dopamine-serotonin discussions we've had here since the beginning!

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« Reply #6125 on: 20/11/2009 06:14:41 »
I went to the doctor Wednesday and told him about what I have.  He said this is basically post-coital cephalgia, or headaches.  I told him how I wake up in the morning with fog and that it causes extreme anxiety when I do it.  He told me that hes seen a lot of patients with orgasmic headaches, and that my symptoms could just have to do with blood vessel constriction.  I've been doing breathing exercises the past couple of days now and I do notice a difference.  I did "O" last night, and last weekend, with no POIS except extreme tiredness after "O", no anxiety what-so-ever.  I doubt if POIS could just be a symptom of blood vessel constriction but still we do not know what the true cause is.  He is having me sent back this coming Tuesday to examine my "circle of willis", which is a cluster of blood vessels that supply the brain.
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« Reply #6126 on: 20/11/2009 06:50:49 »
I went to the doctor Wednesday and told him about what I have.  He said this is basically post-coital cephalgia, or headaches.  I told him how I wake up in the morning with fog and that it causes extreme anxiety when I do it.  He told me that hes seen a lot of patients with orgasmic headaches, and that my symptoms could just have to do with blood vessel constriction.  I've been doing breathing exercises the past couple of days now and I do notice a difference.  I did "O" last night, and last weekend, with no POIS except extreme tiredness after "O", no anxiety what-so-ever.  I doubt if POIS could just be a symptom of blood vessel constriction but still we do not know what the true cause is.  He is having me sent back this coming Tuesday to examine my "circle of willis", which is a cluster of blood vessels that supply the brain.


This is connected to a post I made a while back: I have another theory! It may seem hokey, like in the category with the chi theory, but don't you dare shoot it down 'til you've tried it.

I'll be simple and quick. I notice when I'm O'ing I tense my abdominal muscles. I also notice I'm tensing my abdominal muscles when I'm experiencing social anxiety and gastrointestinal difficulty.

So try, next time you O, do not constrict any abdominal muscles throughout the whole thing. Make it a note to leave those muscles relaxed in the minutes, hours then days after O'ing.

It doesn't have to make sense in your mind to work in your body. Just try it.

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This is done by breathing deeply, expanding the abdomen. The key word is RELAX, RELAX RELAX. There are no problems. Just relax into, breathe deeply and don't tense up.
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« Reply #6127 on: 20/11/2009 07:34:02 »

Z_one, the outreach letter I PM'd you includes an attachment of Dr Waldinger's POIS study. If you want it, The only way I can send you the PDF is via your regular email address, which you can PM to me. If you do, please use "AT" instead of "@", this system intermittently rejects "@".

Thanks again!

Thx Demo....I'll check it out and get back to you....
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« Reply #6128 on: 20/11/2009 07:48:22 »

Can anyone explain the difference between endorphins and dopamine? They're both internally generated "feel good" chemicals and almost seem to be the same as I've heard them described.



Endorphins are natural part of the family of opiates such as heroin and morphine.

Look :
http://thebrain.mcgill.ca/flash/i/i_03/i_03_m/i_03_m_par/i_03_m_par_heroine.html#drogues
(thanks Martin for link)

The basic theory is :
-more endorphins/opiates inhibits Gaba release.
- less Gaba means less downregulation of dopamine.
- So there is more dopamine secreted.

The point I don't understand is how can opiates have anti-anxety and analgesic effect if they cause a reduction of Gaba.  [???] Can someone explain ?

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After, we can expect :
- a dopamine/catecholamine depletion
- the opiate withdrawal syndrome .



According to Wikepedia..

Opiates inhibit neurotransmitter release; through this mechanism, they inhibit the release of the inhibitory neurotransmitter GABA, and disinhibit the dopamine pathways, causing more dopamine to be released...

I think since endorphins are anti-anxiety and pain killers them selves...therefore Gaba is not needed since the presence of Gaba will inhibit the secretion of Dopamine,,,,,

Gaba is believed to be the brakes of the brain,....its presence inhibits the secretion of brain neurotransmitters when they are not needed.....

Hope this helps.....
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« Reply #6129 on: 20/11/2009 11:50:27 »
I went to the doctor Wednesday and told him about what I have.  He said this is basically post-coital cephalgia, or headaches.  I told him how I wake up in the morning with fog and that it causes extreme anxiety when I do it.  He told me that hes seen a lot of patients with orgasmic headaches, and that my symptoms could just have to do with blood vessel constriction.  I've been doing breathing exercises the past couple of days now and I do notice a difference.  I did "O" last night, and last weekend, with no POIS except extreme tiredness after "O", no anxiety what-so-ever.  I doubt if POIS could just be a symptom of blood vessel constriction but still we do not know what the true cause is.  He is having me sent back this coming Tuesday to examine my "circle of willis", which is a cluster of blood vessels that supply the brain.

I'm not bothered by headaches in POIS, if I have one, but it's interesting for POIS who have this.
What you experience with breathing is normal.
I suggest to avoid this quick breathe or you'll hyperventilate. It happened to me after I had breathing difficulties caused by a stomach problem and it caused panic attacks. I had to learn how to breathe to avoid this. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperventilation
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« Reply #6130 on: 20/11/2009 13:28:39 »
I don't know if it's relevant but CRH (or CRF) which is released by the hypothalamus to stimulate ACTH secretion, is also involved in the production of beta endorphins.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corticotropin-releasing_hormone

Elevated CRF is found in anxiety disorders:
http://www.aolhealth.com/mental-health/learn-about-it/what-causes-anxiety/the-brain

Also dopamine inhibits pituitary hormone release:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Releasing_hormone
So low dopamine can cause too much secretion of pituitary hormones (?)
I'd like to know which one (except prolactin) if any.
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« Reply #6131 on: 20/11/2009 17:31:27 »
I went to the doctor Wednesday and told him about what I have.  He said this is basically post-coital cephalgia, or headaches.  I told him how I wake up in the morning with fog and that it causes extreme anxiety when I do it.  He told me that hes seen a lot of patients with orgasmic headaches, and that my symptoms could just have to do with blood vessel constriction.  I've been doing breathing exercises the past couple of days now and I do notice a difference.  I did "O" last night, and last weekend, with no POIS except extreme tiredness after "O", no anxiety what-so-ever.  I doubt if POIS could just be a symptom of blood vessel constriction but still we do not know what the true cause is.  He is having me sent back this coming Tuesday to examine my "circle of willis", which is a cluster of blood vessels that supply the brain.

I really want you guys to try this, just really quick, breathe about 30 times as deep as you can and as fast as you can and tell me if you experience a weird feeling, but feel better afterwards, I think doing this tends to increase blood flow and open up blood vessels.

isn't search for "cirle of willis" require a scan. If it does what type.

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« Reply #6132 on: 20/11/2009 19:51:06 »
To email Oprah:
https://www.oprah.com/plugform.jsp?plugId=220



Unbelievable! CNN has just announced that Oprah has quit her talk show! Just at the perfect time for us!! First the AACE now Oprah!! Could anything go worse? But no worries guys....the King is still here and his name is Larry.....

Anyone got his email?  :o)
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« Reply #6133 on: 20/11/2009 20:56:28 »
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« Reply #6134 on: 20/11/2009 21:18:39 »


Unbelievable! CNN has just announced that Oprah has quit her talk show!



Z_one, yes, I heard that Oprah quit because she knew that we were about to contact her!  [;D]





"Oh no, it's the Guys From POIS!"
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« Reply #6135 on: 20/11/2009 23:01:03 »
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ergoloid

"Current studies imply that the major effect of hydergine may be the modulation of synaptic neurotransmission"

I wonder if Hydergine (brand name) would have any positive affect on POIS.

OK ok ok i really need to get off my ass and get to the freakin med library finally. tbqh, i havent yet because if it turns out to be a dead end i am just going to get really really pissed off, and when i get that pissed off i become very self destructive, so i have been avoiding going over there... but i have next week off so hopefully i can talk myself into it. i think just letting a med student know about all the research done in this forum alone would be freakin enticing for a final thesis.

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« Reply #6136 on: 21/11/2009 00:07:41 »
B_Jim, Z_one, Martin, thank you very much for clarifying endorphins vs. dopamine!

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« Reply #6137 on: 21/11/2009 02:51:12 »

Dr Andrew Weil (MD) takes a look at Hydergine
http://www.drweil.com/drw/u/id/QAA360809

He does sell products, but has always struck me as a very credible guy. From wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Weil


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« Reply #6138 on: 21/11/2009 07:02:07 »
Unbelievable! CNN has just announced that Oprah has quit her talk show!
Z_one, yes, I heard that Oprah quit because she knew that we were about to contact her!  [;D]

"Oh no, it's the Guys From POIS!"

Z_one, all's not lost. Oprah will stay thru 2010. And 2011 she'll simply do her own TV thing, raking in billions more. So    she is still a viable prospect!

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« Reply #6139 on: 21/11/2009 13:02:21 »
Just got back from my Dr's appt. My Dr agreed with Dr in's theory about what happens to our body at O, because it IS what happens at O.
He did not think much of the products Dr Lin sells.
He did not RX SSRI's to me. He said they were not the answer and would probably have a negative effect for pois.
He felt the main culprit here is low dopamine level.He said that is the main transmitter and responsible for the good feelings we get from O. If enough isnt present, the response will be bad and exhausting.

His treatment is 3 herbal suppliments that are precursers to dopamine and seratonin. 1] 5HTP[for seratonin], 2] Mucuna[for dopamine] 3] a product high in selenium. He said he treats Parkins patients much in the same way, with good success getting rid of their tremors.

He says all 3 will increase my dopamine level. He said that the main neurotransmitter after O, which gives us a good feeling after O is dopamine.He explained that if we are low in dopamine, the bodys response to O is negative. Over time,,If we abstain, the bodys dopamine level slowly rises into the normal range, only to be depleted after the next time in the bedroom.
He felt the main cause, for me anyway, was a dopamine deficiency, and also low seratonin.


Interesting. Wonder why he doesnt prescribe l-dopa directly then. This is the dopamine boosting drug used in altzheimers patients. Mucuna is just the herb, and purity could be questionable.

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« Reply #6140 on: 21/11/2009 13:34:38 »

He also told me that one hit of cocaine[ i never did cocaine or any drugs] will use up the bodies supply of dopamine and it talks a full year for the dopamine level to be restored. I mention this only because it shows how important and frail this neurotransmitter is, and , just in case anyone has done this drug may explain possibly why they have pois and that quiting such drugs may reverse your symptoms over time.

That is interesting. I only tried cocaine once about 35 years ago but for a whole weekend! I felt so incredibly good that I decided to never touch this again because I knew I would not be able to live without it. The downside is that I was unbelievably tired and exhausted afterward. For the first and only time in my life I actually slept for 24 hours in a row (from 8 am to 8 am) and felt completely out of it for several weeks. Yes it did feel like POIS in many aspects. But I came back to normal and never touched that stuff again (or any other recreational drug for that matter). It gave me a vague personal understanding of how someone can easily get hooked to that substance. The Clark Kent in myself enjoyed being Superman for few days for sure!  

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« Reply #6141 on: 21/11/2009 14:27:42 »
Unbelievable! CNN has just announced that Oprah has quit her talk show!
Z_one, yes, I heard that Oprah quit because she knew that we were about to contact her!  [;D]

"Oh no, it's the Guys From POIS!"

Z_one, all's not lost. Oprah will stay thru 2010. And 2011 she'll simply do her own TV thing, raking in billions more. So    she is still a viable prospect!

....indeed!  [;D]

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« Reply #6142 on: 21/11/2009 14:45:08 »
http://www.neuroassist.com/Neurotransmitter-Depletion.htm

I've been reading up on that website, and what it basically says is that Tyrosine (precursor to Dopamine) depletes Serotonin, and 5-HTP (precursor to Serotonin) depletes Dopamine. The are two parts of a system, and they must be in balance, otherwise one will inhibit the other, and over time, one may shut down the other, and treatments will become ineffective. This would explain why both tyrosine and 5-HTP stop working for people. So, while not exact, wouldn't it be much more effective to take them both, on and off?

I know I'm oversimplifying.

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« Reply #6143 on: 21/11/2009 14:47:10 »
Dopamine and Omega 3

What has been your experience with a daily high dose of Omega 3 (1,500 mg EPA + 1,000 DHA)? Few years ago I was told my Omega 3 fatty acids level were very low. I supplemented for a while but I did not take it seriously and only took small quantities. Now I am trying again - I just got started. According to what I have read if it makes any difference I should start feeling it in about 6 weeks.

From The Omega3 Connection by Andrew L Stoll MD, page 117
The omega-3 fatty acids are an integral part of the structure and function of the brain. The brain does not function well unless adequate amounts of omega-3 fatty acids circulate in the bloodstream and are incorporated into cell membranes. Omega-3 fatty acids also appear to influence the brain chemicals involved in antidepressant action. For example, French scientists have shown that rats deficient in omega-3 fatty acids had more receptors for the neurotransmitter serotonin and a corresponding decrease in dopamine in the frontal cortex. The direction of the changes in these neurotransmitter systems is consistent with some human models of major depression. Not surprisingly, other scientists have observed that increasing the dietary intake of omega-3 fatty acids boosted the levels of the neurotransmitter dopamine in the frontal cortex of rats. In humans, increased dopamine in the frontal cortex increases drive and motivation, attributes lacking in the depressed person.

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« Reply #6144 on: 21/11/2009 21:22:04 »
Unbelievable! CNN has just announced that Oprah has quit her talk show!
Z_one, yes, I heard that Oprah quit because she knew that we were about to contact her!  [;D]



"Oh no, it's the Guys From POIS!"


Z_one, all's not lost. Oprah will stay thru 2010. And 2011 she'll simply do her own TV thing, raking in billions more. So    she is still a viable prospect!




....indeed!  [;D]





Z_one, so..........does this mean you'll contact Oprah? And Larry King? (Last year I ran into Larry King outside his office, but I was tongue-tied! [pois lol] )

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« Reply #6145 on: 21/11/2009 21:38:32 »
tinyurl . com / PostOrgasmicIllnessSyndrome and /poisforumstart will now get you to page 1 of the forum.


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« Reply #6146 on: 21/11/2009 23:54:30 »

Thanks, Dean!

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« Reply #6147 on: 22/11/2009 02:22:10 »
No problem Demo

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« Reply #6148 on: 22/11/2009 15:32:30 »
Hello my fellow POIS sufferers.
I would like to extend a hand of friendship and comradary to everyone who participates in this forum. I would also like to say how grateful I am for this resource that has been like a beacon of light, that has pierced the long night and given me hope.
To the regulars who keep this forum alive I give an extra-big thank you for all that you have done in keeping us informed on your trials and tribulations and bringing our affliction into the light of day.

It may not be an auspicious start to have my first post to be that of praising or "ass-kissing" but every word is true and genuine.

You'll probably be seeing me around.


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« Reply #6149 on: 22/11/2009 22:19:34 »

Z_one, so..........does this mean you'll contact Oprah? And Larry King?[/b] (Last year I ran into Larry King outside his office, but I was tongue-tied! [pois lol] )
 


I'll do my best man,,,but meanwhile try hitting onto Dr.Phil and Snoop Dog....I am sure the latter might be more than pleased to share his POIS experience.................  [O8)]
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