[Guthrie]

LJ, sorry for the question, but what approach to the "O" are you using? NE, masturbation or partner?

daveman, I know you didn't ask me, but I just wanted to interject that I don't think we've ever seen a distinction here in POIS effects based on "approach".

It's that some have said that the effects have seemed worse with just masturbation, where a partner is not involved.

Daveman, are there pages on this forum where people have posted about a difference between solo vs. partnered "O"?  I don't recall seeing that, but I might be forgetting.  If so, could you link to those pages?

[prism]

Ive read it a few times. I can definitely relate to POIS being worse with masturbation. With a partner I found there to be less habitual strain and generally more relaxing on the body.
Masturbation gave me RSI, which has now gone, but was devastating for a few years.
If Itsmebutwho? is saying getting away from TV/porn is good thing, then I agree. Dont personally relate to the dark room bit though. perhaps its simply more relaxing for him.

[daveman]

LJ, sorry for the question, but what approach to the "O" are you using? NE, masturbation or partner?

daveman, I know you didn't ask me, but I just wanted to interject that I don't think we've ever seen a distinction here in POIS effects based on "approach".

It's that some have said that the effects have seemed worse with just masturbation, where a partner is not involved.

Daveman, are there pages on this forum where people have posted about a difference between solo vs. partnered "O"?  I don't recall seeing that, but I might be forgetting.  If so, could you link to those pages?

Here's the last one anyways, I'd have to look for more. Don't think I was imagining it. Anyways as B_Jim indicates, it's just some who have said that.

http://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?topic=6576.msg309242#msg309242

Perhaps we or someone can conjure up a Google search that would pick them out!

I personally haven't tried masturbation in quite some time. I may have to sacrific myself []..... It could answer a few loose ends that I have anyways, and that have come up in some of my last few posts!!

I'll let you know if I have the guts to try it!

[dionysus]

I have been watching this thread for a while, but this is my first posting.
I apologize if the following ideas have been already covered, I did not look through the whole thread.

I would like to share that I had good results with the following routine:

LJ100 (150mg - 3 pills in the morning on an empty stomach, 5 days a week)
Fo Ti  (500mg - 1 pill in the morning on an empty stomach, 5 days a week with LJ100)
Bee Pollen (at least 15g, fresh granules, US pollen, dissolved before eating for improved absorption, on an empty stomach, any time, not necessary at once) -

Credit goes to Jobe27, from
newbielink:http://recover.forumup.org/viewtopic.php?t=986&mforum=recover [nonactive]
His postings are very informative and smart, I tried a few times to deviate from his advice and each time I realized that he had a good reason for doing it in a certain way.

I am thinking that somebody else may want to try this combination and report back.

Cordyceps (especially sinensis), ashitaba, royal jelly, maca, sangre de grado, bilberry also helped me at times and they could be used to improve the above.

Also reading Jobe27's postings could give you new information that I missed or did not apply to me.

[demografx]

dionysus, welcome to the POIS thread of The Naked Science Forum!




Here are some POIS resources which may be helpful to you:


Our new POIS chatroom (realtime chat). Invite or visit another member(s) there, ANY TIME. We can all get to know each other better:
http://forums.delphiforums.com/POIS/chat

Our new POIS Information Website, built by "mat780", is here:
http://sites.google.com/site/POISwebsite/

Please see "B_Jim"'s POIS Summary of All Cases, here as well as others on the Web. This includes remedies that we have tested, and results.
http://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?topic=6576.msg149009#msg149009

"Girlwind" has created an excellent POIS Video:

And filling out the POIS survey created by "Counterpoints" will enable you to share POIS information and details with others here.
http://pois.olympe-network.com/

POIS Research Study

We have a copy of the first and only formal medical investigation on POIS by Dr. Marcel Waldinger,MD and Dr. Dave Schweitzer, MD.

There are 2 ways to get it: (1) if you want a PDF copy, send me a Private Message (PM) with your regular email address (use "AT" instead of "@" ) and I'll send you back the PDF. Or, if you prefer, (2) I can simply reply with a Private Message (no regular email needed) and provide you with a simple text version embedded in your PM.

To send a Private Message, click on "Messages" at the top of this page. At the Messages page, click on "New Message". From that point on, it works just like posting a message here, except that it only goes to the person(s) you designate.

Remember to put a quote around my name, i.e., "demografx".


New York Times article,

January 20, 2009
Mind
Sex and Depression: In the Brain, if Not the Mind
By RICHARD A. FRIEDMAN, M.D.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/20/health/views/20mind.html?_r=1&scp=1&sq=friedman%20sexual%20January%2020&st=cse

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In addition to serving our own informational interests, the resources listed above can be useful for you to show our credibility to the medical world - which often shows little understanding and is sometimes skeptical of our condition: POIS has scientific underpinnings and POIS is not "just another psychological problem" related to sex - to be treated by the psychiatric/psychotherapeutic community. All of this information can greatly help you to fight the immediate reaction of some doctors: so just tell them, "IT'S NOT "ALL IN OUR HEADS"!

Also, it can be helpful when dealing with medical professionals to point out the successful existence of our rapidly growing forum, which has already been referenced in respectable sources such as the British Medical Journal and wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Postorgasmic_illness_syndrome

For for over 3 years, our POIS forum has attracted over 150 POIS sufferers worldwide who have posted here, plus over 650,000 page visits. Not bad for a rare malady!

[demografx]

dionysus, this post will help you find information about POIS that we have already discussed, by tailoring a Google search to this forum:


SEARCH THE FORUM WITH GOOGLE

We have an overwhelming amount of data: 3 years' worth of posts (over 7,000 posts!) from 150+ Forum members, and an additional 150 POIS sufferers found elsewhere on the Internet by Member B_Jim.

In the Google search box, type
whatever-it-is-you're-interested-in-finding-out[space]POIS[space]site:http://thenakedscientists.com/

for example, I tried
demografx POIS site:http://thenakedscientists.com/

and 1,000+ results came up for "demografx" within the Forum.

be careful with spaces (you can use them before the word "site") and no-spaces (everything after the word "site")

Google even provides you results with the Message# for each result. But Message #'s do change, so be patient and look for the approximate Message#.

[demografx]

Also reading Jobe27's postings could give you new information that I missed or did not apply to me.

I'm glad for his success, but a little concerned about posts about "Dr. Lin" (and his "herballove" site which sells "solutions" to problems he writes about!). He has been thoroughly discredited here.

A purely herbal approach is disconcerting, it is rarely substantiated by any well-done studies. And the risks are hardly ever spelled out.

But if some people can truly, honestly benefit in the long run, I'm all for it.

[prism]

Is anyone like me, in the fact that they have spent perhaps thousands on different herbal supplements but, if they're honest to themselves, have never actually felt the effects from any of them?

[lauracostis]

daveman, you said you had a vasectomy reversal and pois started after that. have you tried having your reversal reversed to see if that doesnt take care of the problem.


is there anybody here who has a vasectomy and has pois?

[bm303]

My POIS was probably being caused by Heavy Metal Toxicity. I will post in a few months to confirm that it was, but I am about 90% sure. I think you all are mercury toxic from fish/vaccines/mercury fillings. Or at least some sort of toxicity is promoting POIS in some of you. If you all find out are you are mercury/heavy metal toxic then please follow Andy Cutler's protocol for detoxing/removal.... he's the most knowledgeable on the subject IMO.

[daveman]

daveman, you said you had a vasectomy reversal and pois started after that. have you tried having your reversal reversed to see if that doesnt take care of the problem.

Funny, but I hadn't thought of that!! I guess I'm a whole lot more cautious now for one, and for the other, I had the feeling that the damage was irreversibley done. But you actually bring up an interesting point. The problem would be in finding someone who could properly advise... Another attempt would be so permanent.

When I did the vasectomy, AND the reversal, I just accepted what they said! How could I or even they know? If indeed there is actually anything really to it. I mean, my feeling is that the reversal has something to do with it..... but I'm still not exactly sure what, and therefore not exactly sure that a reversal reversal would work.

[prism]

I had the feeling that the damage was irreversibley done. 

Have you had this confirmed?
Have you had any scans?

[demografx]

Is anyone like me, in the fact that they have spent perhaps thousands on different herbal supplements but, if they're honest to themselves, have never actually felt the effects from any of them?

                  

[prism]

hahahaha

[lauracostis]

daveman, you said you had a vasectomy reversal and pois started after that. have you tried having your reversal reversed to see if that doesnt take care of the problem.

Funny, but I hadn't thought of that!! I guess I'm a whole lot more cautious now for one, and for the other, I had the feeling that the damage was irreversibley done. But you actually bring up an interesting point. The problem would be in finding someone who could properly advise... Another attempt would be so permanent.

When I did the vasectomy, AND the reversal, I just accepted what they said! How could I or even they know? If indeed there is actually anything really to it. I mean, my feeling is that the reversal has something to do with it..... but I'm still not exactly sure what, and therefore not exactly sure that a reversal reversal would work.

was the reversal successful in reattaching the tubes together.

[daveman]

I had the feeling that the damage was irreversibley done. 

Have you had this confirmed?
Have you had any scans?

No it was just my impression.

When the symptoms started to get worse and before I had heard about POIS, I checked out the prostate and did test for cancer of the testicles. Negative.

Since knowing about POIS I still haven't done any more specific scans or tests. This last year has been heavy on the budget, finishing up a heavy development project.

I was going to go back to the doc that did the reversal, but glad I hadn't so far, now that I have heard more about POIS. I probably would have accepted whatever he would have said. At least now I can go with a bit more information, if not skepticism.

[Limejuice]

Fish oil does have a positive effect on my physcial performance.  I notice I recover from workouts faster and have better endurance.

As far as helping POIS, it doesn't.

daveman, you said you had a vasectomy reversal and pois started after that. have you tried having your reversal reversed to see if that doesnt take care of the problem.


is there anybody here who has a vasectomy and has pois?

[daveman]

  ....was the reversal successful in reattaching the tubes together.

For the most part, at least initially, although the sperm count was like a war scene! I don't remember the count although it was encouraging at the time, but the state of the sperm was poor. I'll have to see if I can find the test results. A good percent without tails, another good percent with poor mobility, and overall fluid volume low. Zero effective fertility.

[Dean93]

I have been watching this thread for a while, but this is my first posting.
I apologize if the following ideas have been already covered, I did not look through the whole thread.

I would like to share that I had good results with the following routine:

LJ100 (150mg - 3 pills in the morning on an empty stomach, 5 days a week)
Fo Ti  (500mg - 1 pill in the morning on an empty stomach, 5 days a week with LJ100)
Bee Pollen (at least 15g, fresh granules, US pollen, dissolved before eating for improved absorption, on an empty stomach, any time, not necessary at once) -

Credit goes to Jobe27, from
http://recover.forumup.org/viewtopic.php?t=986&mforum=recover
His postings are very informative and smart, I tried a few times to deviate from his advice and each time I realized that he had a good reason for doing it in a certain way.

I am thinking that somebody else may want to try this combination and report back.

Cordyceps (especially sinensis), ashitaba, royal jelly, maca, sangre de grado, bilberry also helped me at times and they could be used to improve the above.

Also reading Jobe27's postings could give you new information that I missed or did not apply to me.

For some reason I've had the same problem with that website that others have had with this one: I can't register because I never receive the confirmation email. Except this is worse, because you can't even read the forums if you're not a member. Dionysus, maybe you could let whoever runs that forum know about that.

[prism]

Id be cautious in thinking a reverse op will solve the pois.
but thats just my opinion.

daveman, if you dont mind me asking, (feel free not answer if so wish)
how does it feel 'down below' now (specifically im thinking the testcles and the nerves/connections running into them)?

i.e is there ANY discomfort?
minor pain?
zaps of pain?
minor numbness?

is there any sense within you that "id rather not touch that area", (wherever that area is for you) if you catch my drift.