[Bored chemist]

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Which is not passing the challenge then is it?

It wasn't meant to be.
It was meant to be an illustration of the fact that you ignore answers.
Why do you do that?

[Tim the Plumber (OP)]

Helicopter rescues cost more than traffic lights. You stated the criteria. The flooding necessitated the rescue. Flooding events are becoming more frequent. Mechanism climate change. You won't accept evidence so case closed.

The increase cost of doing such stuff must be more than the cost it would have been plus the traffic lights cost.

You must first demonstrate that there is an increase in such events (there is no such connection), then you must show that it is significantly more costly.

This is only difficult to understand for the deliberately ignorant!!!

[Tim the Plumber (OP)]

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Which is not passing the challenge then is it?

It wasn't meant to be.
It was meant to be an illustration of the fact that you ignore answers.
Why do you do that?

Millions of dead because of this bad science!

There is even no actual science that actually shows we should do anything about this CO2 issue. You demonstrate that each time you partially answer the challenge and claim it having been completed!

[Tim the Plumber (OP)]

Insulting people by insinuating they are talking drivel or are pathetic is like shouting over an opponent in a debate. It is a defence against admitting defeat.

Then, in a single post, do all 4 of these;

1, say what single issue you want to discuss.

2, explain in your own words what mechanism this will be caused by. That is the bit between the increase in temperature and the bad thing.

3, cite science that supports this with a relavant quote from it. Linking to anything you your self have not read will not do.

4, then we can look at the degree of damage and se if it will  be significant or not.

Simple!

That we have got so far without any such a reply says it all. Let's face it when the religious nuts go on you do not get this emotional. It is because you know that you cannot do this that you are so worked up.

[jeffreyH]

What makes you think I'm worked up?
"The increase cost of doing such stuff must be more than the cost it would have been plus the traffic lights cost."
So you want helicopter rescue data now. Ok.

[jeffreyH]

Well there may be a problem with that.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/defence/9961455/Britains-search-and-rescue-helicopters-to-be-cut-by-nearly-50pc-in-new-deal.html

[jeffreyH]

Well I guess this is the place to go for the data.
http://bristowgroup.com/uk-sar/
Being a private company the cost has likely gone up from that of the RAF. They are also less likely to want to release data on cost. What do you suggest Tim? We are at an impasse here.

[jeffreyH]

I wonder how they are going to make disaster profitable?

[Bored chemist]

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Which is not passing the challenge then is it?

It wasn't meant to be.
It was meant to be an illustration of the fact that you ignore answers.
Why do you do that?

Millions of dead because of this bad science!

Citation needed.

[jeffreyH]

4. By the way this point is a nonsense since you are suggesting that we look at a hypothesised degree of damage. Straw man Tim.

[jeffreyH]

Just in case you think this is straightforward you need to consider the interdependence of species and what their disappearance means.
https://www.nationalgeographic.org/encyclopedia/keystone-species/

[alancalverd]

And if it started raining regularly in the Nazca plains, would you accept that was a change in climate?

Climate has always changed. Time was that the Sahara was relatively fertile, Cambridge was a tropical swamp, and he Arctic ice sheet was a lot smaller within recorded history. Climate change is inevitable and wholly unsurprising.
 

The UK  is famously drizzly  in Summer.

No. Drizzle is associated with low cloud and winter warm fronts. UK summer rain is mostly sharp showers from cumulus clouds formed high in cold air. But what does the Civil Aviation Authority know about meteorology, eh? Bloody textbooks! 

Do you realise that regular Summer droughts represent a change in climate?

Telegraph 18 Apr 2017 - Water companies have warned that parts of UK could see drought this summer after the driest winter in more than 20 years.

  Depends on your definition of "regular", "summer" and "drought", I suppose. The inability of privatised water companies to maintain their infrastructure  is legendary.

Do you realise that regular Summer floods also represent a change in climate?

A chap who posts under your pseudonym would, I think, class flash floods as "weather", and my hydrologist consultants explain that summer flash flooding in areas like Yorkshire is caused not by unusual weather (UK thunderstorms peaked in the 1970s) but by injudicious land development. The last really big floods in Somerset were  in February 2013, but again your definition of summer may differ from mine. 

Not sure what your problem is, BC. Everyone with a functional neural system knows that climate changes. The question here is whether current changes are on the whole a Good Thing or  Bad Thing. 

[Bored chemist]

Not sure what your problem is, BC. Everyone with a functional neural system knows that climate changes. The question here is whether current changes are on the whole a Good Thing or  Bad Thing. 

Well, if it's that simple, we answered the question ages ago.
Didn't you notice?
(Hint, it's a bad thing- all are systems are geared up for the climate we currently have).

[alancalverd]

Except that edible plant yields are increasing each year thanks to the longer growing season and increased CO2 in temperate latitudes.

[Beehelp]

I believe in global warming in that, climate goes through cycles. Predictions mean nothing to me. I remember in the seventies, it was the ice age to be worried about. As far as our own contribution to global warming. Nada!!! Our silly little vehicles cause miniscule issues compared to volcanos or gasses from the ocean floor. However, right now, the political correct research and money to support it goes to the greenies.

[Bored chemist]

I believe in global warming in that, climate goes through cycles. Predictions mean nothing to me. I remember in the seventies, it was the ice age to be worried about. As far as our own contribution to global warming. Nada!!! Our silly little vehicles cause miniscule issues compared to volcanos or gasses from the ocean floor. However, right now, the political correct research and money to support it goes to the greenies.

The facts don't agree with you.
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/earthtalks-volcanoes-or-humans/

so we can dismiss your opinions without further consideration.

[chiralSPO]

Helicopter rescue. The accumulative cost is more than traffic lights.

This is utterly pathetic!!!

Are you arguing that there have never been such events until it has warmed up a bit recently?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_natural_disasters_in_Great_Britain_and_Ireland

Great Storm of 1703

The great storm of 1703 killed 15,000 people. Was that due to CO2 from fossil fuels?

Weather and climate are different and you will need to show that extreme events have increased in frequency due to the minute warming we have had so far. Or that you have compelling science that describes how this wil happen in the future. The mechanism. You will be expected to actually show that you understnad this mechanism yourself.

Please think before you type. No one is saying that floods like this have never happened before. They are saying that floods like said great storm, which only happen every couple years, will increase in frequency, possibly to the point where what used to be every hundred years could be every 20 years. Do you think that maybe quintupling the rate that these things happen might, just might, be more expensive than standard upkeep?

[alancalverd]

Problem is that there is no evidence of more extreme weather, only of more damage  being done to an ever more fragile civilisation as people build on less suitable terrain and pour concrete over natural soakaways. Mud has been sliding down mountains since the dinosaurs got trapped in it, but building shanty towns on unstable hillsides is a phenomenon of the last 150 years, and becoming more prevalent every year.

Katrina was a regular Grade 5 hurricane, but urban development of the wetlands around New Orleans turned it into a disaster.

According to a modeling exercise conducted by the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers (USACE), two-thirds of the deaths in Greater New Orleans were due to levee and floodwall failure.[6] All of the major studies concluded that the USACE, the designers and builders of the levee system as mandated by the Flood Control Act of 1965, is responsible.This is mainly due to a decision to use shorter steel sheet pilings in an effort to save money.

Nothing like it in the last 12 years, though, so no evidence of worsening weather.

I remember leaving my London office one afternoon about 25 years ago as bits of university masonry were being blown past the window and the canopy of Liverpool Street station collapsed. Nothing like it since.

[jeffreyH]

Once you have worked in hydrology for a decade you start to notice trends that are outside your local vicinity. Most people don't make the mental note. Then you tend to spot things like the event in Venezuela which is out of my local news area and doesn't directly impact me. The year 1997 was of particular interest.

[Tim the Plumber (OP)]

What makes you think I'm worked up?
"The increase cost of doing such stuff must be more than the cost it would have been plus the traffic lights cost."
So you want helicopter rescue data now. Ok.

As you fully understand I am asking you to show that such events are anything to do with global warming.

Your deliberate ignorance is a disgrace to a science forum.