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The reason is because the energy is being directed outwards as opposed to inwards. I see your reasoning but unless it is a vortex, I see no reason it can contract inverting, while the energy flows centrifugal in direction. If anything the molecules are stretched of the disk ?Consider a sphere in rotation , the y-axis contracts while the x-axis expands.
Quote from: Thebox on 05/07/2018 08:06:41The reason is because the energy is being directed outwards as opposed to inwards. I see your reasoning but unless it is a vortex, I see no reason it can contract inverting, while the energy flows centrifugal in direction. If anything the molecules are stretched of the disk ?Consider a sphere in rotation , the y-axis contracts while the x-axis expands.There are two forces involved - one trying to fling material outwards (technically it's merely a perceived force due to the material not being free to fly off in a straight line), and the other trying to crush inwards due to length contraction. Ordinarily the latter is too small to measure and the former is considerable, but if you make the disc really big, the length-contraction crushing inwards force could be stronger than the one trying to throw material outwards. The wider you make the disc, the less centrifugal force there is for the same speed of movement of the edge, so that force is tending towards zero as you go to bigger and bigger discs, whereas the length contraction of the edge is the same in all cases if the edge is moving at the same speed and doesn't diminish as we go to bigger discs.
I sort of see what you are saying, as if a force spirals inwards?
Quote from: Thebox on 05/07/2018 19:17:12I sort of see what you are saying, as if a force spirals inwards?Just picture a rubber band stretched round a bottle - in trying to shorten itself, it presses inwards. The length-contraction further in is less and less until it reaches zero at the centre, but none of the contraction is inwards - what you have going inwards is a crushing pressure which is resisted by the material further in, so that material pushes back and it's under a constant stress. With length contraction in a straight rod moving along end first, the contraction isn't resisted, so the length simply shortens and there is no stress on the material. Length contraction is only involved where the material sits closer together without stress (or tries to) - it is not about compression, but in the case of a rotating disc it produces compression, and the inability of the material to sit closer together leads to the material round the edge feeling stretched.
Something is wrong only if we take SR for granted. If not, then a simulation is as good as any math to discover the truth, and better than math at showing how things could move. In case you didn't notice, in all my simulations with inline particles, it takes time for the information to travel between the particles, so if the system is accelerated, one of the particles always move before the other, which is precisely why the distance between the particles contracts. There is no need to program it, it is intrinsic to the limited speed of the information.
If the planet's actually moving through space at a speed just a fraction under the speed of light though, the moon's speed through space will vary
However, length contraction is only a special case of the more general relation, according to which the transverse length is larger than the longitudinal length by the ratio γ. This can be achieved in many ways. ...........Poincaré (1905) demonstrated that only ϕ = 1 allows this transformation to form a group, so it is the only choice compatible with the principle of relativity, i.e. making the stationary aether undetectable. Given this, length contraction and time dilation obtain their exact relativistic values.
That maintains the null result, but the clocks then tick too quickly, so again you're not simulating the real universe.
Ether is also undetectable
What for? To show that ether is detectable? How?
I googled "Quantum field compression", and its all about data compression, nothing about detecting ether.
Then you need to explain what you mean, I can't figure it out.
and it still shows that those values can change, which means that it is still an ad hoc choice, and that math can't help.
This mind experiment of yours is about acceleration without a force,
When I tell them that contraction and dilation have to happen at acceleration, they stop listening since they need that acceleration doesn't affect the SR issue of the Twins mind experiment.
The first time I ran my simulation on acceleration, I wasn't sure the distance was going to contract and it did. I know that it contracts too much, but I still think it's a good start.
For the moment, I consider that the resistance we attribute to mass is caused by the time light takes between the particles,
How does that work if another pair of particles have twice the mass while light takes the same amount of time to travel between them?
Mass is a measure of the amount of energy tied up in matter, which is no surprise as matter is made of energy - it can all be thought of as light.
You have no mechanism for distinguishing between the behaviour of bonded particles and non-bonded ones.
You don't have a mechanism for making two stationary bonded particles move from an incorrect separation to a correct one.
Finding a chance contraction that doesn't match up to the real one is an indication that you have not found the right mechanism.
Most say that the accelerations are important though - the twin who accelerates is normally the one who ages less.
Anything that goes against that maths also goes against the results of experiments and therefore does not fit the real universe.
Quote from: Le Repteux on 07/07/2018 15:03:21Then you need to explain what you mean, I can't figure it out.The parallel positives will concave any positive in the ''sub'' space that exists between the plates whilst attracting any negative that exists in the ''sub'' space. Compressing the positive energy to a central position between the plates.
Quote from: Thebox on 07/07/2018 16:06:07Quote from: Le Repteux on 07/07/2018 15:03:21Then you need to explain what you mean, I can't figure it out.The parallel positives will concave any positive in the ''sub'' space that exists between the plates whilst attracting any negative that exists in the ''sub'' space. Compressing the positive energy to a central position between the plates. I still don't understand what you mean. Tell me first what you want to demonstrate.