[duffyd]

It is difficult to sort myth from evidence but it seems that he was not on the cross very long and as Christians always go on about his pieced hands so he must have had support as he could have been hanging by his arms.
The myth makers have added the bit about  the stabbing to make out he was dead.
It seems that his feet could not have been nailed to the cross as he was reported to be walking three days later.
As those who did conducted  the cruxifiction did not take much care for hygene I think he died about three months later from blood poisining  as his supporters secretly buried him.
The reasons for his cruxification are rather a puzzle he had upset the religious authorities so he was condemed for  blasphemy  and would normally have been stoned to death did they want him comdemed as a terroist and killed by the civil authorities as he had a lot of popular support ?

You ever watched a crucifixion?

[Bored chemist]

You ever watched a crucifixion?

Have you ever asked a pointless question?

[Bored chemist]

Pharisees gathered together with Pilate, and said, “Sir, we remember that when He was still alive that deceiver said, ‘After three days I am to rise again.’ “Therefore, give orders for the grave to be made secure until the third day,

OK, so how come it wasn't these guards who found the tomb open?

Could it be  that they did their job They waited three days.
And the injured Jesus  regained consciousness on the 4th day?
It's not as if I'm the only one to think that way.
https://www.ucg.org/the-good-news/the-chronology-of-the-crucifixion-and-resurrection-of-jesus-christ

And, if you know there's going to be a guard, you don't bother to make sure the tomb is all that secure.

[alancalverd]

Elementary physics suggests that if you can carry a body into a tomb and roll a stone across the entrance, I can roll the stone away and steal the body.

No need for divine intervention. Indeed divine intervention would not have needed to hang about for 3 days or remove the stone.

It is a pretty pathetic god that can create the entire universe in 7 days but has to impregnate a woman to make another human. And a lousy father that can destroy Sodom and Gomorrah, flood the entire world, variously smite and inflict plagues of frogs, boils etc on anyone who displeaseth Him, but stand back and watch his son be tortured to death for doing good works.

The more one reads the New Testament, the less likely and laudable the Christian God becomes.
 

[Petrochemicals]

To understand if Jesus died on the cross we  must first understand what was Jesus? No one knows since no one was there except the Father God. The best information I have is from my encounters, dreams, and visions. From history we know that there were many Jews hung on crosses during that time. We also know that there were faith healers who were able to absorb spiritual energy and touch a sick person. The excessive energy would heal the person by super energizing their immune system. That was common.
  The virgin birth story is a common occurrence when spiritual energy from the Father God enters a woman. This fertilizes an egg and a clone of the woman is born. Its DNA is identical with the mother. Thus one particular Jewish Child was a male copy of the mother.
  The Father God of the Earth has the ability to enter the minds of various people. He inserts false memory into their minds. They write Gospel stories from the false memories. To the writers it is true. The events tend to be mythological with a mixture of historical fact.
   What is true and what is false? Both the Bible and Gospels are a mixture of mythology and history.  Why has God done this? Perhaps the answer is human freedom. God gives us the choice to believe or not to believe. He wants doubt which insures freedom.

Christ almighty !

[jerrygg38]

Alancalverd says: The more one reads the New Testament, the less likely and laudable the Christian God becomes.
GG: What you say is common to many others. In 1981 as I argued with my God about the Bible, I said "It is a book of lies" and I threw it in an ash can. This angered my God and he sent out a ray that burnt a blind spot in my eye. It took many years for the blind spot to go away. All I have come to believe is that within the book of lies is mythology mixed with historical fact. The God  of 2000 years ago was quite scientifically ignorant. The intelligence of man over the 2000 years has been absorbed by my God. God is only a higher level of us. It was stupid but now it is quite smart.

[Bored chemist]

This angered my God and he sent out a ray that burnt a blind spot in my eye.

Plenty of people have binned the Bible- literally or figuratively.
Why did God pick on you to get a zapped eye, but leave the others with good vision?

That makes no sense, does it?

[alancalverd]

This angered my God and he sent out a ray that burnt a blind spot in my eye.

My point precisely. The jealous and vengeful god belongs in the OT, with all his plagues and floods. You were lucky Jaweh didn't turn you into a pillar of salt. The NT is all about mercy and forgiveness.

[jerrygg38]

Bored Chemist says:Plenty of people have binned the Bible- literally or figuratively.
Why did God pick on you to get a zapped eye, but leave the others with good vision?

That makes no sense, does it?

GG:  The big problem is that the God of the Bible and Gospels was assumed to be a powerful God and in reality our God is a rather weak force with very limited power. Why me? I guess because my god wanted to bring modern man upward toward the truth and the purpose of God. Religious people tend to be frozen in their understanding of God. I tend to be a heretic. The only problem I have is my lifetime of communication with my God. Yet I am still trying to understand what God is. So I was available to upgrade and understanding of God. The Christians would have burnt me at the stake years ago and the Jews would have stoned me to death. Today I am just another lunatic. It is a comedy. So I serve my self. Getting a new chicken soon so my rooster will be happy again. Think you are right about the rooster crying for another mate.

[jerrygg38]

Alancalverd says:My point precisely. The jealous and vengeful god belongs in the OT, with all his plagues and floods. You were lucky Jaweh didn't turn you into a pillar of salt. The NT is all about mercy and forgiveness.
GG: At the time of Moses the Jewish God was quite animalistic. By the time of Jesus it was more humanistic.  For the Island peoples their God was quite lovely. All this proves is that God is evolving toward higher humanity. It is the higher level of ourselves.We make our God. The Bible and Gospels only reflect slight encounters with the evolving God.

[Bored chemist]

our God is a rather weak force with very limited power.

Get a dictionary; that's not a God.
https://dilbert.com/strip/2001-10-02

[jerrygg38]

Naked 5.16.2020 5 pm
 GG:   our God is a rather weak force with very limited power.
Bored Chemist says: Get a dictionary; that's not a God.
GG replies: Webster New World third college edition says: 2/ an image that is worshipped, idol 3/ a person or thing deified or excessively honored and admired
  You are looking at the usual definition where God is the creator of the universe and a supernatural entity. I do not believe in that. My God is a natural God. It is part of us. Part of all life as well.  As such God is quite different for everyone.
  Without the fifth dimension there is no God. With the fifth dimension our spirits exist and we flow into our God in death. God eats our intelligence. This enables God to produce higher man upon a new Earth. Alternatively it could produce higher man upon this Earth long after man is gone.
  Interactions with God can only occur if someone aligns himself to God. God has no real power over a non-believer. Thus a person must be willing to seek out God. Then the person is subject to a spiritual interaction. Often people are saved after they are dead. Some will see the light of God and they can turn away from it or flow toward it. If they turn away they will quickly perish and be no more. If they turn toward it they will be absorbed by the light. No religion is necessary for salvation.
   Many people spend a lifetime praying to God and worshipping God. To me that is idol worship. So that is the problem with definitions 2 and 3.
   Is God a being or a process? All I know is that at the end of the process we will emerge as higher man. So I interact with my God but most of the interactions are within my own mind. I see the higher dimension and it excites and frightens me. My hypomanic mind reaches the limit at the edge of insanity and I pull back. It often takes quite a long time to recover from the trip to the edge. Yet that was a long time ago and I never want to return.
   The scientists have their test instruments to search the universe. I have my hypomanic mind to search what is beyond our four dimensions. That is my test instrument. Thanks for your comments.