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Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 27/01/2021 05:00:38Manipulation of a belief system at high layers can make otherwise normal person to commit immoral actions. Similar thing happened in the mind of many terrorists.There are enough instances from psychological experiments and the recruitment of concentration camp torturers to suggest that all that is required to do things that are obviously immoral is the appearance of authority or permission.
Manipulation of a belief system at high layers can make otherwise normal person to commit immoral actions. Similar thing happened in the mind of many terrorists.
Quote from: alancalverd on 27/01/2021 17:30:00Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 27/01/2021 05:00:38Manipulation of a belief system at high layers can make otherwise normal person to commit immoral actions. Similar thing happened in the mind of many terrorists.There are enough instances from psychological experiments and the recruitment of concentration camp torturers to suggest that all that is required to do things that are obviously immoral is the appearance of authority or permission.That is incorrect the milgram experiment showed about 61% of participants were prepared to follow the lead of an authority figure compared to the 39% who would resist. If anything its evidence that the 60% need to be taught that it's ok to resist authority on occasion, not that the situation is helpless.//www.youtube.com/watch?v=rdrKCilEhC0
It doesn't take the majority doing bad things, let alone everyone, to destroy a civilization. It only needs to pass a certain threshold, which can be very low.
Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 28/01/2021 04:50:32It doesn't take the majority doing bad things, let alone everyone, to destroy a civilization. It only needs to pass a certain threshold, which can be very low. One man with executive authority can demolish whatever veneer of civilisation the USA acquired over hundreds of years.
Could the reason 70,000,000 Americans voted for Trump, be this:They're fed up with people like you.
Quote from: charles1948 on 28/01/2021 21:27:35Could the reason 70,000,000 Americans voted for Trump, be this:They're fed up with people like you.Can you be more specific? I'm not even an American.
Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 28/01/2021 21:58:55Quote from: charles1948 on 28/01/2021 21:27:35Could the reason 70,000,000 Americans voted for Trump, be this:They're fed up with people like you.Can you be more specific? I'm not even an American.I just want you to shut up.
I've seen many pundits argued that Trump is just a symptom. The root cause is deeper and may have started for decades. The last US election shows that more than 70 million people (still) have voted for him.
IMO, power acquisition is just an instrumental goal. The power can provide easy access to resources by shifting the burden of hard working to other people. They need the resources to survive, getting pleasure and avoiding pain, which are basic instincts shaped by evolutionary process.
In the light of universal terminal goal, the six stages above could be extended up and down to cover systems with higher as well as lower consciousness levels than average human individuals. The pattern here is that the lower the level, the more localized in space and time the causality of actions/decisions is under consideration.
You write so many posts, so full of ideas, that I get jealous.
The Peter Parker principle
that members of a hierarchy are promoted until they reach the level at which they are no longer competent.
Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 28/01/2021 22:36:29The Peter Parker principle Whereas the Peter PrincipleQuote that members of a hierarchy are promoted until they reach the level at which they are no longer competent. actually explains Trump, George W Bush and Boris Johnson.
The Peter Parker principle suggests that people with greater power should be restricted by higher moral standard, compared to those without such power.
No, because he was competent.
An epic battle is unfolding on Wall Street with a cast of characters clashing over the fate of GameStop, a struggling chain of video game retail stores.The conflict has sent GameStop on a stomach-churning ride with amateur investors taking on the financial establishment in the mindset of the Occupy Wall Street movement launched a decade ago.
"It's a good reminder, though, that the stock market isn't the only measure of the health of our economy."
Senator Elizabeth Warren also called for scrutiny."For years, the same hedge funds, private equity firms, and wealthy investors dismayed by the GameStop trades have treated the stock market like their own personal casino while everyone else pays the price," she said in a statement. "It's long past time for the SEC and other financial regulators to wake up and do their jobs.."
Quote from: alancalverd on 26/01/2021 15:24:06Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 26/01/2021 13:43:29 you won't be able to build an interspecies moral system.And why would I want to? The dog is my friend, the flea is our common enemy. Actually, cat fleas are more of a problem: dog fleas don't much care for human blood. Because we don't live alone.
Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 26/01/2021 13:43:29 you won't be able to build an interspecies moral system.And why would I want to? The dog is my friend, the flea is our common enemy. Actually, cat fleas are more of a problem: dog fleas don't much care for human blood.
you won't be able to build an interspecies moral system.
Quote from: charles1948 on 28/01/2021 22:26:01You write so many posts, so full of ideas, that I get jealous.You made me flattered.
I don't believe you. Even if he'd been the most incompetent president in the entire history of the USA, you wouldn't have mentioned him. That's true, isn't it?