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Re: Is there a universal moral standard?
« Reply #4180 on: 23/02/2025 12:10:32 »
Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 19/02/2025 10:57:08
Quote from: alancalverd on 17/02/2025 09:42:30
If it feeds, clothes, or protects others.
What do you think about entertainers? Are they productive?

The "others" should be more specific. Protecting criminals from justice is not productive, IMO.
Being productive means effectively produce necessary resources at higher rates than their consumption. Although sharing, exchanging, and redistribution of resources among society members might make the calculations more complicated.

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Democrats and other Trump critics have expressed concerns over Elon Musk and his DOGE acolytes? cost-cutting initiatives, with some saying that the president and Musk are not following legal protocols.

But as countless online commenters have pointed out, there is a well-established tradition of presidents making unilateral decisions to cut government spending, in particular from Democrats like Barack Obama and Bill Clinton.

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Like Elon Musk said in his statement about the treasury, ?if you look at the treasury, there should be basic payment categorisation code, a field to describe the payment and a do not pay list, to ensure payments are blocked to terrorists, as we have been making payments to terrorists!?

The fact the government didn?t run basic accounting controls confirms they never attempted to root out wasteful spending. The only reason a government would not run basic accounting controls is because
1) They are incompetent or
2)They do not want others to know what they are spending money on to hide state  crimes/corruption or possibly ?secret payments related to national security? a statement regularly used to cover for state crimes/corruption.
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Re: Is there a universal moral standard?
« Reply #4181 on: 23/02/2025 23:44:29 »
Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 21/02/2025 03:59:42
What makes a political decision derived from a perversion?
Ask any woman who has been imprisoned for not covering her head, or refused education because she does not have a Y chromosome. Or anyone who has been tortured for playing music.
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Re: Is there a universal moral standard?
« Reply #4182 on: 23/02/2025 23:49:10 »
Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 23/02/2025 12:10:32
we have been making payments to terrorists!
The CIA being the most obvious terrorist organisation in the USA.
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Re: Is there a universal moral standard?
« Reply #4183 on: 27/02/2025 10:34:36 »
Quote from: alancalverd on 23/02/2025 23:44:29
Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 21/02/2025 03:59:42
What makes a political decision derived from a perversion?
Ask any woman who has been imprisoned for not covering her head, or refused education because she does not have a Y chromosome. Or anyone who has been tortured for playing music.
Women are not the only victims. Many minority groups regardless of gender have also been the victims.
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Re: Is there a universal moral standard?
« Reply #4184 on: 27/02/2025 11:06:46 »
Indeed. But (a) women seem to suffer under almost all religions, (b) they are not a minority and (c) most of the restrictions are imposed on women who nominally subscribe to the religion that suppresses them.
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Re: Is there a universal moral standard?
« Reply #4185 on: 28/02/2025 12:09:32 »
Quote from: alancalverd on 27/02/2025 11:06:46
Indeed. But (a) women seem to suffer under almost all religions, (b) they are not a minority and (c) most of the restrictions are imposed on women who nominally subscribe to the religion that suppresses them.
There are religions led by women, although they never get large followers, compared to major religions.
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Re: Is there a universal moral standard?
« Reply #4186 on: 28/02/2025 15:28:24 »
Apart from Madam Blavatsky, I can't think of one that survived its founder.
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Re: Is there a universal moral standard?
« Reply #4187 on: 05/03/2025 05:07:17 »
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I read the study from Southampton University, it says nothing about EV's in the study itself. It's just about the effects on health by brake dust. Then at the end is a ridiculous ad hoc footnote saying they'd expect EV's to produce more brake dust because of their weight without any study on them or any accounting for regen braking effects.
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Re: Is there a universal moral standard?
« Reply #4188 on: 06/03/2025 16:30:51 »
Renerative braking recovers about 60 - 70% of the kinetic energy of the vehicle. So you have to use friction brakes to dissipate  30 - 40% of the ke of a vehicle that weighs 30 - 50% more than an ICE vehicle.

But you'd be a very bad driver if you used friction braking alone with your ICE. Taking your foot off the gas pedal produces most of the retardation, with the combination of brake and clutch to bring the vehicle to a standstill just before the engine stalls.

I recently drove a very neat "partial hybrid" that derived most of the braking effort from its engine and 10-speed automatic gearbox, with a hint of regen braking to top up the small starter/lighting  battery. 

And of course regen doesn't work when the vehicle is stationary (or the battery is fully charged) so you need pads and discs anyway, and the pads will contact the disc as soon as you apply the pedal.
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Re: Is there a universal moral standard?
« Reply #4189 on: 08/03/2025 15:56:49 »
Quote from: alancalverd on 06/03/2025 16:30:51
Renerative braking recovers about 60 - 70% of the kinetic energy of the vehicle. So you have to use friction brakes to dissipate  30 - 40% of the ke of a vehicle that weighs 30 - 50% more than an ICE vehicle.
Not really. Some of the unrecovered energy can get lost as heat in the coil or the electronic, without using the friction brake.
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Re: Is there a universal moral standard?
« Reply #4190 on: 07/04/2025 08:02:34 »
Should I feel guilty using AI?
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AI tools undeniably have a large impact on the environment. The question is: are they worth it? And should you feel guilty about using them?

A video that is secretly two videos. The first is what I usually make: a summary of the literature on this subject. The second is trying to articulate my thoughts on something much broader.

TIMESTAMPS
0:00 Intro
1:11 The Damage
11:56 The Benefits
16:38 Unmasking
22:56 A quick aside
23:50 The Thought
30:50 AI summary
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Re: Is there a universal moral standard?
« Reply #4191 on: 07/04/2025 11:39:09 »
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Should I feel guilty using AI?

No, but you could be held guilty of criminal negligence or worse if your use of AI adversely affects another person. The "Nuremberg Defence" of "obeying orders" has been consistently judged invalid.
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Re: Is there a universal moral standard?
« Reply #4192 on: 14/04/2025 10:42:31 »
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Should I feel guilty using AI?

No, but you could be held guilty of criminal negligence or worse if your use of AI adversely affects another person. The "Nuremberg Defence" of "obeying orders" has been consistently judged invalid.
Except when your side won the war. You might get a pardon.
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Re: Is there a universal moral standard?
« Reply #4193 on: 16/05/2025 11:55:28 »
How One Company Secretly Poisoned The Planet
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The biggest chemical cover up in history. PFAS has polluted the entire global water system. Now, potentially dangerous forever chemicals are being found in the entire US population.


0:00 Killed by Fridges
5:27 Teflon and The Manhattan Project
7:59 Teflon is Tricky
11:37 The Teflon Revolution
13:27 Earl Tennant's Farm
17:34 Inside DuPont
20:28 Fluoride In Drinking Water
25:00 It's bigger than that
29:23 What is PFAS?
35:56 How much PFAS is in Derek?s blood?
37:56 How forever chemicals get into your blood
46:18 Removing PFAS from drinking water
49:30 Can you lower your PFAS levels?


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From 1999-2003 I worked for a furniture store and sprayed hundreds of furniture units per week with Scotchgard from 3M containing PFAS forever chemicals, we also occasionally sprayed co-workers with the chemical as a joke I was sprayed dozens of times with the chemical. In 2002 we were told that our company was discontinuing use of scotchgard and switching to stainsafe brand spray, we were like - "wait this stuff isn't safe?!"  In 2006 I was 27 years old and diagnosed with IGA nephopathy the doctors never could figure out why my kidney's were failing at such a young age. In 2007 I had to start dialysis and in 2009 I received a kidney transplant and I am doing good now. I wonder if PFAS caused my kidney failure.

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That lawyer is an actual hero. Very few people would be willing to do the amount of work required to discover the wrongdoing and hold them to account, and then go on to dedicate years of their life fighting them in court and having medical studies done to find evidence.
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Re: Is there a universal moral standard?
« Reply #4194 on: 16/05/2025 14:31:46 »
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Who should get the most benefits of our moral standards?
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Re: Is there a universal moral standard?
« Reply #4195 on: 20/05/2025 13:56:31 »
We Went To Luigi's Trial. Here's What Everyone Is Missing.

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When UnitedHealth bought a medical center in Oregon, it shifted the focus to ?money, efficiency & quotas.? Doctors quit en masse.
Now Oregon wants to ban corporations from telling doctors how to practice.
This could start a national trend?and UnitedHealth is terrified.
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More Perfect Union?s mission is to build power for working people. Here?s what that means:

We report on the real struggles and challenges of the working class from a working-class perspective, and we attempt to connect those problems to potential solutions.

We report on the abuses and wrongdoing of corporate power, and we seek to hold accountable the ultra-rich who have too much power over America?s political and economic systems.

Most immoral actions are caused by shortsightedness, which is when short term goals are pursued that jeopardize long term goals.
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Re: Is there a universal moral standard?
« Reply #4196 on: 20/05/2025 15:00:43 »
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Oregon wants to ban corporations from telling doctors how to practice.

Shouldn't be a problem if the corporation explicitly accepts full liability for the outcome if the doctor generally proceeds according to Company protocol. Nevertheless if he refuses to do (or not do) something he considers obviously harmful, he has a strong case for wrongful dismissal (the Nuremberg Defence having been comprehensively outlawed).

This still leaves open the problem of "best practice". If hospital A doesn't have the necessary gadget to do the job, but hospital B is in a different insurance group, is it OK to blame the patient for having chosen to pay Corp A for his insurance? All depends on the contract, so the moral argument is that insurers should not own  the treatment facilities.

Still, what can you expect in a Third World backwater like the USA?
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Re: Is there a universal moral standard?
« Reply #4197 on: 21/05/2025 16:07:13 »
An action can be a moral problem when someone knows that something has bad consequences, and there is a better alternative, but chooses to do it anyway. Not knowing the consequences might avoid the moral problem, but can still be a legal problem.
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Re: Is there a universal moral standard?
« Reply #4198 on: 31/05/2025 15:13:49 »

Morality is determined by intentions. It might be obscured at first glance. But it becomes more obvious the longer you keep watching on their actions.
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