[Bored chemist]

The manufacturers of frequency meters must of course be aware of this kind of problem.

And they never mention it.
Does that suggest something to you?

[mad aetherist (OP)]

The manufacturers of frequency meters must of course be aware of this kind of problem.

And they never mention it. Does that suggest something to you?

(1) If it aint a problem then my idea of there being a macro ticking dilation effect must be wrong. 
(2) Or they have a problem but have worked out a way of minimizing it, but dont mention it. 
(3) Or they have a problem & haven't found any kind of solution, & dont mention it.
(4) Or they dont know that they have a problem, but have an accidental built-in automatic fix.

If the plane of the tuning fork aint horizontal or vertical then they know.
If the tuning fork is in a vertical plane but if the centerline of the tuning fork aint horizontal or vertical then they know.

[Bored chemist]

The manufacturers of frequency meters must of course be aware of this kind of problem.

And they never mention it. Does that suggest something to you?

(1) If it aint a problem then my idea of there being a macro ticking dilation effect must be wrong. 
(2) Or they have a problem but have worked out a way of minimizing it, but dont mention it. 
(3) Or they have a problem & haven't found any kind of solution, & dont mention it.
(4) Or they dont know that they have a problem, but have an accidental built-in automatic fix.

If the plane of the tuning fork aint horizontal or vertical then they know.
If the tuning fork is in a vertical plane but if the centerline of the tuning fork aint horizontal or vertical then they know.

The smart money is on option 1.

[Bored chemist]

I did the experiment.
Reality doesn't agree with Mad aetherist.

Now, given that there's exactly the same "reasoning" behind his prediction of a change in clock rate with angle and all his other ramblings, we can discount them too.

[mad aetherist (OP)]

I did the experiment. Reality doesn't agree with Mad aetherist.
Now, given that there's exactly the same "reasoning" behind his prediction of a change in clock rate with angle and all his other ramblings, we can discount them too.

Good, thanx for that, can u give some details.
But i am confused re the prediction re angle, i think that that was the main thrust of Exp 1. Or do u mean that u rotated the clock (freq counter) in the horizontal (& got no change in ticking), & that u havent yet rotated it in the verticals?

And then i made mention of a possible Exp 2 re ticking near a spinning disc/wheel.

[Bored chemist]

I rotated it about two perpendicular axes.
There was no change in the reading.

Exp 2- well, I did the experiment near the Earth...
How big a spinning wheel do you want?

[Bored chemist]

I rotated it about two perpendicular axes.
There was no change in the reading.

You have been shown to be wrong.
Accept it.

Exp 2- well, I did the experiment near the Earth...
How big a spinning wheel do you want?

[mad aetherist (OP)]

I rotated it about two perpendicular axes.There was no change in the reading.

So u used a test oscillator fixing it on a table, & u used a freq counter to measure the oscillator ticking, & u rotated the FC in the horizontal, & also in a vertical, & u got no apparent change in freq for the oscillator.  Whereas i said that rotating the FC should give a change, because the freq of the tuning fork in the FC will be affected by length contraction of the tuning fork (ie LC affecting length & width & thickness of the quartz tuning fork) in the aetherwind blowing throo Earth. If so then that might mean that some of the following postulates are correct or wrong (wording is a bit sloppy).......

(1) There is no aetherwind & no aether.
(2a) There is aetherwind but there is no such thing as length contraction.
(2b) There is wind & LC but no ticking dilation.
(3) There is wind & LC but that it gives ticking dilation of the standard Lorentz kind only, not the kind of TD that i posited.
(4) I said that Lorentz TD probly applied to micro clocks (atoms), but not to macro clocks (eg tuning forks).
(5) I said that Lorentz LC probly affected the ticking of macro clocks in an ordinary LC way (as per your test).
(6) Lorentz TD is supposed to apply they said to micro & macro clocks equally.

Your test relates directly to (5), & indirectly to others. I left out that (5b) the frequency counter might have an inbuilt accidental or intentional self correction for the wind, praps by virtue of the angle of some circuitry or the CPU. Anyhow your test seems to rule out the existence of a macro ticking dilation of macro clocks (here a tuning fork). But i wouldnt mind knowing more detail.  What is the alignment etc of the tuning fork in the FC, is it horizontal, or vertical etc.
 
I dont think i ever mentioned it but it would be interesting to repeat that with FC fixed & the oscillator at different angles.

Anyhow i will have a think re all of this.

[Bored chemist]

I dont think i ever mentioned it but it would be interesting to repeat that with FC fixed & the oscillator at different angles.

I did that too- it's easy enough when you have the right kit- it's a matter of picking up one "box" and turning it or picking up the other.

Obviously, you are still wrong. Stop trying to move the goalposts.

Now, just for a laugh, how big an effect would you expect from what sort of wheel?

Anyhow i will have a think re all of this.

Not really.
When I bought the clocks I used I had lots of options.
Those include this (expensive) one
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/LFOCXO063815Bulk-Crystal-Oscillator-10-MHz-A-1ppb-Sinewave-15pF-5-Pin-36x27mm/123286856263?hash=item1cb4782247:g:52AAAOSw2IVbYuDU:rk:2:pf:1&frcectupt=true

And that is an off-the-peg oscillator that gives 10 MHz within 1ppb- that's better than a thousand fold less than you are pretending is possible
OK it's over Ł500, but that's not the point.
Your view would say it can't exist, but it does.

[Paradigmer]

Anyhow Einsteinian  teams measuring g at various places & times havent a clue why their results are so inconsistent.   They don’t know about the aether wind & the centrifuged aether.

The UVS atomic model suggests atom has intrinsic 2-axis hyperspheric spin at a factor of 2C speed, which completes a 720 degree turn in one integral cycle. The spinning axis at the rate of C and its factor, is in precession also at the rate of C and the factor. Therefore, an excited atom should radiate its signature EM waves isotropically with its centrifuging of aether in all directions.

This means no matter how you turn the crystal quartz, in x, y, or z axis, even with the influence of the said 500 km/s aether wind, its signature frequency would not change at all with all else remaining constant.

The Galilean lantern experiment with today's measurement technologies, should record a time dilation variation for light travelling in the direction (from point A to point B) and against the direction (from point B to point A) of the Milky Way traversing in the CMB reference frame.

[Bored chemist]

Anyhow Einsteinian  teams measuring g at various places & times havent a clue why their results are so inconsistent.

You would need to cite evidence of inconsistencies before we needed to take this seriously.

[mad aetherist (OP)]

I dont think i ever mentioned it but it would be interesting to repeat that with FC fixed & the oscillator at different angles.

I did that too- it's easy enough when you have the right kit- it's a matter of picking up one "box" and turning it or picking up the other.
Obviously, you are still wrong. Stop trying to move the goalposts.
Now, just for a laugh, how big an effect would you expect from what sort of wheel?

Anyhow i will have a think re all of this.

Not really. When I bought the clocks I used I had lots of options. Those include this (expensive) one
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/LFOCXO063815Bulk-Crystal-Oscillator-10-MHz-A-1ppb-Sinewave-15pF-5-Pin-36x27mm/123286856263?hash=item1cb4782247:g:52AAAOSw2IVbYuDU:rk:2:pf:1&frcectupt=true
And that is an off-the-peg oscillator that gives 10 MHz within 1ppb- that's better than a thousand fold less than you are pretending is possible. OK it's over Ł500, but that's not the point. Your view would say it can't exist, but it does.

Can u tell me the model of the oscillator & the clock (& any relevant speci's).
Are the crystals tuning forks?
And can u tell me what kinds of angles or tiltings were done?

[mad aetherist (OP)]

Anyhow Einsteinian  teams measuring g at various places & times havent a clue why their results are so inconsistent.

You would need to cite evidence of inconsistencies before we needed to take this seriously.

Yes lots of teams in lots of countries using various instruments have had trouble getting consistent results for measuring g & G on the  surface of Earth. This is well known. I can look it up & start a new thread. 
My mention of this (in the OP i think) was because i reckon that one of the main problems (that they are ignorant of) is the aetherwind, plus the effect of the centrifuging of aether.
The aetherwind must affect LC & TD & upset their clocks etc, making their instruments erratic. Plus the changing aetherwind, changing during each day & season etc actually changes the value of g at any one location.
There is tonnes of stuff out there re this......
https://www.sheldrake.org/essays/how-the-universal-gravitational-constant-varies
https://phys.org/news/2015-04-gravitational-constant-vary.html

https://arxiv.org/ftp/physics/papers/0202/0202058.pdf  This shows that orientation can make a 0.054% difference in G.  But i reckon that the effect is only partly on G, it is partly an effect on their clock etc (instruments).

Experimental evidence that the gravitational constant varies with orientation.
by Mikhail L. Gershteyn∗†, Lev I. Gershteyn†, Arkady Gershteyn†, Oleg V. Karagioz‡
∗Massachusetts Institute of Technology, NW16-189, 167 Albany St., Cambridge, MA02139, U.S.
† Insight Product Co., PO Box 35297, Brighton, MA 02135, U.S.
‡Tribotech division of National Institute of Aviation Technology
5-12 Pyrieva St.,Moscow 119285, Russia
Abstract
In 1687, Isaac Newton published the universal law of gravitation
stating that two bodies attract each other with a force proportional to the
product of their masses and the inverse square of the distance. The constant
of proportionality, G, is one of the fundamental constants of nature. As the
precision of measurements increased the disparity between the values of G,
gathered by different groups, surprisingly increased [1-16]. This unique
situation was reflected by the 1998 CODATA decision to increase the
relative G uncertainty from 0.013% to 0.15 % [17]. Our repetitive
measurements of the gravitational constant (G) show that G varies
significantly with the orientation of the test masses relative to the system of
fixed stars, as was predicted by the Attractive Universe Theory [18,19]. The
distances between the test masses were in the decimeter range. We have
observed that G changes with the orientation by at least 0.054%

[Bored chemist]

Yes lots of teams in lots of countries using various instruments have had trouble getting consistent results for measuring g

Given that g depends on local geography, why would you expect them to get consistent measures of it?

It's like saying "Scientists have measured the temperature outside their window this morning and they got different results so there must be a problem with thermometers".

Why don't you learn some science before trying to criticise those who have?

[mad aetherist (OP)]

Yes lots of teams in lots of countries using various instruments have had trouble getting consistent results for measuring g

Given that g depends on local geography, why would you expect them to get consistent measures of it?
It's like saying "Scientists have measured the temperature outside their window this morning and they got different results so there must be a problem with thermometers".
Why don't you learn some science before trying to criticise those who have?

The main problem is the variation of big G.  However little g too seems to vary with time at any one location, in a different way to the expected daily etc variation, but i am rusty on the details, i would have to re-read that stuff. I might later  today.

[mad aetherist (OP)]

Oscillators & clocks can have ticking problems. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Crystals tend to suffer anomalies in their frequency/temperature and resistance/temperature characteristics, known as activity dips. These are small downward frequency or upward resistance excursions localized at certain temperatures, with their temperature position dependent on the value of the load capacitors.
Mechanical stresses also influence the frequency. The stresses can be induced by mounting, bonding, and application of the electrodes, by differential thermal expansion of the mounting, electrodes, and the crystal itself, by differential thermal stresses when there is a temperature gradient present, by expansion or shrinkage of the bonding materials during curing, by the air pressure that is transferred to the ambient pressure within the crystal enclosure, by the stresses of the crystal lattice itself (nonuniform growth, impurities, dislocations), by the surface imperfections and damage caused during manufacture, and by the action of gravity on the mass of the crystal; the frequency can therefore be influenced by position of the crystal.   Other dynamic stress inducing factors are shocks, vibrations, and acoustic noise. Some cuts are less sensitive to stresses; the SC (Stress Compensated) cut is an example. Atmospheric pressure changes can also introduce deformations to the housing, influencing the frequency by changing stray capacitances.

Some crystals aint tuning forks. -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Operation[edit]   A crystal is a solid in which the constituent atoms, molecules, or ions are packed in a regularly ordered, repeating pattern extending in all three spatial dimensions.
Almost any object made of an elastic material could be used like a crystal, with appropriate transducers, since all objects have natural resonant frequencies of vibration. For example, steel is very elastic and has a high speed of sound. It was often used in mechanical filtersbefore quartz. The resonant frequency depends on size, shape, elasticity, and the speed of sound in the material.
High-frequency crystals are typically cut in the shape of a simple rectangle or circular disk.
Low-frequency crystals, such as those used in digital watches, are typically cut in the shape of a tuning fork. For applications not needing very precise timing, a low-cost ceramic resonator is often used in place of a quartz crystal.
When a crystal of quartz is properly cut and mounted, it can be made to distort in an electric field by applying a voltage to an electrodenear or on the crystal. This property is known as electrostriction or inverse piezoelectricity. When the field is removed, the quartz generates an electric field as it returns to its previous shape, and this can generate a voltage. The result is that a quartz crystal behaves like an RLC circuit, composed of an inductor, capacitor and resistor, with a precise resonant frequency.
Quartz has the further advantage that its elastic constants and its size change in such a way that the frequency dependence on temperature can be very low. The specific characteristics depend on the mode of vibration and the angle at which the quartz is cut (relative to its crystallographic axes).[11] Therefore, the resonant frequency of the plate, which depends on its size, does not change much. This means that a quartz clock, filter or oscillator remains accurate. For critical applications the quartz oscillator is mounted in a temperature-controlled container, called a crystal oven, and can also be mounted on shock absorbers to prevent perturbation by external mechanical vibrations.

As i thort, resonators & clocks can use circuitry as a part of their resonance, & hencely this compromises my calculations of the macro ticking dilation effects of the varying aetherwind.--------------------------------
Adding capacitance across a crystal causes the (parallel) resonant frequency to decrease. Adding inductance across a crystal causes the (parallel) resonant frequency to increase. These effects can be used to adjust the frequency at which a crystal oscillates. Crystal manufacturers normally cut and trim their crystals to have a specified resonant frequency with a known "load" capacitance added to the crystal. For example, a crystal intended for a 6 pF load has its specified parallel resonant frequency when a 6.0 pF capacitor is placed across it. Without the load capacitance, the resonant frequency is higher.
Resonance modes[edit]
A quartz crystal provides both series and parallel resonance. The series resonance is a few kilohertz lower than the parallel one. Crystals below 30 MHz are generally operated between series and parallel resonance, which means that the crystal appears as an inductive reactance   
in operation, this inductance forming a parallel resonant circuit with externally connected parallel capacitance.
Any small additional capacitance in parallel with the crystal pulls the frequency lower. Moreover, the effective inductive reactance of the crystal can be reduced by adding a capacitor in series with the crystal. This latter technique can provide a useful method of trimming the oscillatory frequency within a narrow range; in this case inserting a capacitor in series with the crystal raises the frequency of oscillation. For a crystal to operate at its specified frequency, the electronic circuit has to be exactly that specified by the crystal manufacturer. Note that these points imply a subtlety concerning crystal oscillators in this frequency range: the crystal does not usually oscillate at precisely either of its resonant frequencies.
Crystals above 30 MHz (up to >200 MHz) are generally operated at series resonance where the impedance appears at its minimum and equal to the series resistance. For these crystals the series resistance is specified (<100 Ω) instead of the parallel capacitance. To reach higher frequencies, a crystal can be made to vibrate at one of its overtone modes, which occur near multiples of the fundamental resonant frequency. Only odd numbered overtones are used. Such a crystal is referred to as a 3rd, 5th, or even 7th overtone crystal. To accomplish this, the oscillator circuit usually includes additional LC circuits to select the desired overtone.

Orientation is a factor --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Crystals suffer from minor short-term frequency fluctuations as well. The main causes of such noise are e.g. thermal noise (which limits the noise floor), phonon scattering (influenced by lattice defects), adsorption/desorption of molecules on the surface of the crystal, noise of the oscillator circuits, mechanical shocks and vibrations, acceleration and orientation changes, temperature fluctuations, and relief of mechanical stresses. The short-term stability is measured by four main parameters: Allan variance (the most common one specified in oscillator data sheets), phase noise, spectral density of phase deviations, and spectral density of fractional frequency deviations. The effects of acceleration and vibration tend to dominate the other noise sources; surface acoustic wave devices tend to be more sensitive than bulk acoustic wave (BAW) ones, and the stress-compensated cuts are even less sensitive.
The relative orientation of the acceleration vector to the crystal dramatically influences the crystal's vibration sensitivity. Mechanical vibration isolation mountings can be used for high-stability crystals.

[Bored chemist]

However little g too seems to vary with time at any one location, in a different way to the expected daily etc variation, but i am rusty on the details, i would have to re-read that stuff. I might later  today.

Did it occur to you that you should have read up on it before posting nonsense?

And, re all that stuff about crystals.
The frequencies do not change with orientation.
You can't argue against reality.
You predicted an effect.
That effect didn't exist.

Incidentally the capacitance is fixed, and the effect is small- almost all the "work" is done by the crystal.

[Bored chemist]

However little g too seems to vary with time at any one location, in a different way to the expected daily etc variation, but i am rusty on the details, i would have to re-read that stuff. I might later  today.

Did it occur to you that you should have read up on it before posting nonsense?

And, re all that stuff about crystals.
The frequencies do not change with orientation in the way you said they would.
You can't argue against reality.
You predicted an effect.
That effect didn't exist.

Incidentally the capacitance is fixed, and the effect is small- almost all the "work" is done by the crystal.

[mad aetherist (OP)]

However little g too seems to vary with time at any one location, in a different way to the expected daily etc variation, but i am rusty on the details, i would have to re-read that stuff. I might later  today.

Did it occur to you that you should have read up on it before posting nonsense?

What i wrote is ok, not a word needs changing. However little g is not the issue, & measurements of little g are complicated. Big G is the issue.

And, re all that stuff about crystals. The frequencies do not change with orientation. You can't argue against reality. You predicted an effect. That effect didn't exist.

Can u give some details of your test.

Incidentally the capacitance is fixed, and the effect is small- almost all the " work" is done by the crystal.

Its not just that capacitor (which has a special use), its the rest of the newfangled specially added resonating circuitry. 
Why is such circuitry needed? Why indeed.
Anyhow are u sure your oscillator & clock have tuning forks?

[Bored chemist]

Why is such circuitry needed?

If you strike a tuning fork it "rings" for a short while- perhaps a minute.
If you want it to keep ringing, you have to keep striking it.
The circuitry effectively does that.
One thing it couldn't do- even in principle- is to check on ether drift.

Just because you don't understand it doesn't mean it's a conspiracy.

Its not just that capacitor (which has a special use)

The use is to trim the frequency by a few ppm.
It's nothing "special".
Again, this seems to be based on your lack of understanding.
Why not learn some science?