[jsaldea12 (OP)]

Where did that electronic beam get its source. jsa 2.13.19

[Kryptid]

Where did that electronic beam get its source. jsa 2.13.19

There is a laser in the apparatus that produces the laser beam. What is being measured are changes in the laser beam.

[jsaldea12 (OP)]

Request response..Reiterating, it is the too dense dust and gas that envelops supposed black holes hole that makes it invisible but it is not invisible, it is just that light  can only contact the  surface, the surface which is the clothing all over  dust ahd gas. Without that dust and gas, that supposed black hole is bare, just like the visible planets, the stars. THERE IS NO BLACK HOLE.  jsaldea12. Feb. 12,.2019.

[jsaldea12 (OP)]

See, concentratee LIGHT, laser, is being used., NOT only in the apparatus.

[Kryptid]

See, concentratee LIGHT, laser, is being used., NOT only in the apparatus.

It is difficult for me to understand what you are trying to say. Are you suggesting that laser beams come from outer space now? Or that LIGO, despite having its sensors sealed away from the outside world inside of steel tubes, can somehow detect light from cosmological sources light-years away?

Here is an important quote about LIGO from https://www.ligo.caltech.edu/page/what-is-ligo:

LIGO is blind. Unlike optical or radio telescopes, LIGO cannot see electromagnetic radiation (e.g., visible light, radio waves, microwaves) nor does it have to because gravitational waves are not part of the electromagnetic spectrum. In fact, electromagnetic radiation from space is so unimportant to LIGO that its detector components are completely isolated and sheltered from the outside world.

[jsaldea12 (OP)]

But does not  gravitational waves has INHERENT POSITIVE AND NEGATIVE PROPERTY, SPACETIME HAS POSITIVE AND NEGATIVE PRPERTY, NEUTRINOS HAS POSITIVE AND NEGATIVE PROPERTY. Gravitational waves and light waves are both ripples on skein of all-occipying spacetime with  inherent positive and negative property, inherent since emanation or creation/construcction of the universe... That laser is being used in astronomical LIGO telescope to capture colliding black hole, as well as in underground  4 kilometers vacuum  arms, is very cleaar that laser, light, is very instrumental in capturing that "chirp" sound. Without laser, can we capture that "chirp"? Or could it be that "cirp" is the signature of gravitational waves, separate from light waves but using light as carrier of that sound. Regards.

But please answer my query too: That dust and gas that completely envelops supposed black hole makes it invisible, but it is INVISIBLE as al the dlectro-amgnetic spectrum, X-ray, radio ray, etc. can penetrate ahd detect there is that giant object, super boiling inside that its super-energetic boiling is manifested in its surface, like a boiling water that evaporates, only instead of H2O, gas and dust boils and is expelled.., that this expelled gas and dust extends far into space, farther than the barrier EH, and when it cools at that far distance as outer space is super-cool, the dust and gas cools and is sucked back by the gravitational force of the giant object. That the dust and gas is expelled farrther than the barrier EH proves light can escape very  well the supposed black hole. Repeating: THERE IS NO BLACK HOLE !!! jsa   2.13.19. 

[jsaldea12 (OP)]

Correction:But please answer my query too: That dust and gas that completely envelops supposed black hole that makes it invisible, but it IS NOT INVISIBLE as all the electro-amgnetic spectrum, X-ray, radio ray, etc. can penetrate ahd detect there is that giant object, super boiling inside that its super-energetic boiling is manifested in its surface, like a boiling water that evaporates, only instead of H2O, it is gas and dust that boils and is expelled.., that this expelled gas and dust extends far into space, farther than the barrier EH, and when it cools at that far distance as outer space is super-cool, the dust and gas cools and is sucked back by the gravitational force of the giant object. That the dust and gas is expelled farrther than the barrier EH proves that  light can escape very  well the supposed black hole. Repeating: THERE IS NO BLACK HOLE !!! jsa   2.13.19. 

[Kryptid]

But does not  gravitational waves has INHERENT POSITIVE AND NEGATIVE PROPERTY,

Since they are waves, I suppose you could say that they have positive or negative amplitude at certain points.

SPACETIME HAS POSITIVE AND NEGATIVE PRPERTY

I don't know what this would mean.

NEUTRINOS HAS POSITIVE AND NEGATIVE PROPERTY.

You mean by the fact that they have antiparticles?

Gravitational waves and light waves are both ripples on skein of all-occipying spacetime with  inherent positive and negative property, inherent since emanation or creation/construcction of the universe...

Gravitational waves certainly are, but I know of no experiments that have demonstrated that to be true of light. It would be better to say that light represents "ripples" in the electromagnetic field.

That laser is being used in astronomical LIGO telescope to capture colliding black hole, as well as in underground  4 kilometers vacuum  arms, is very cleaar that laser, light, is very instrumental in capturing that "chirp" sound. Without laser, can we capture that "chirp"? Or could it be that "cirp" is the signature of gravitational waves, separate from light waves but using light as carrier of that sound. Regards.

Yes, but none of that has anything to do with light coming from cosmological sources.

But please answer my query too: That dust and gas that completely envelops supposed black hole makes it invisible, but it is INVISIBLE as al the dlectro-amgnetic spectrum, X-ray, radio ray, etc. can penetrate ahd detect there is that giant object, super boiling inside that its super-energetic boiling is manifested in its surface, like a boiling water that evaporates, only instead of H2O, gas and dust boils and is expelled.., that this expelled gas and dust extends far into space, farther than the barrier EH, and when it cools at that far distance as outer space is super-cool, the dust and gas cools and is sucked back by the gravitational force of the giant object. That the dust and gas is expelled farrther than the barrier EH proves light can escape very  well the supposed black hole.

Light emitted outside of the event horizon (by hot matter in the accretion disk) can escape, of course. That's because it isn't actually inside of the black hole.

Repeating: THERE IS NO BLACK HOLE !!!

Repeating that won't make it correct.

[jsaldea12 (OP)]

Light emitted outside of the event horizon (by hot matter in the accretion disk) can escape, of course. That's because it isn't actually inside of the black hole? jsaldea12

[jsaldea12 (OP)]

Sorry, pneumonia is getting not good.

[Bored chemist]

Sorry, pneumonia is getting not good.

I am sorry to hear that you are ill. I'm sure everyone here thinks the same.
I wish you a speedy recovery. In the meantime, I recommend that you don't waste your energy on posting here, but focus it on getting well instead.

[jsaldea12 (OP)]

Getting well.

Please this is not without respect to LIGO Team, just to clarify and give better understanding. .About the laser interferometer of LIGO on two arm tubes on tunnel some 4 km. long.  It is exhausted of air , vacuummed, "blind" so that no cosmic rays, noise, etc. for instance, can interfer with the laser beam, is this not? Perhaps a respected LIGO scientist can . But that vacuumed tubes is not not pefectly vacuum, it still contain frame of eall-inclusive spacetime which has positive and negative property.

The4 dust and gas that completely surrounds supposed black hole, all black holes without exception, does not come from outside accretion the galaxy. . It comes from the center of supposed black hole, it is not accretion.. The accretion period is over, the galaxies are settled,as evidenced by billions of settled stars rotating the galaxies. See? Refer to my elaborate explanations in this forum what and why is there that cover=up dust and gas that is the making of said black hole, ..  that glow as they completely envelops supposed black hole. Need to repeat. Conclusion is same: There is no black hole that is invisible and no light can escape. josaldea12 .  Feb..14,.2019    ..

[jsaldea12 (OP)]

I see what that “blind “ means in LIGO. It appears like this: In  conjunction with the utilization of two distant laser interferometers , 2,000 miles apart,   pointing to same colliding black hole,  a  double blind fake interfering is injected, like placebo in medicine. .later on wshen magnetic data is gathered, the result is compared, selected  the genuine gravitational waves from the placebo. . But this is not main point, neither is the fact that gravitational waves can be detected by X-ray, light, radio etc.  The main point is  that in ejected  super-jets from supposed black hole, both light and gravitational waves move at speed of light, hand in hand!!! not against one another. It agrees with the unwritten law of physics that is impliedly stated:  where there is fire, there is light, the bigger the fire, proportionately the bigger the light, in outer space, the bigger the fire ball of super-galaxy, the greater the light it produces that can travel billions of light years capable of reaching earth, not the light from the secondary source, glowing dust and gas, but that light from the primary source, that core, supposed black hole.. Thus, that the  gravitational waves and light, hand in hand,  escapes supposed black hole is one  empirical evidence that there is no black hole that is invisible, and no light can escape. xxx Jsaldea Feb. 14, 2019 xxx 

[jsaldea12 (OP)]

NASA and EHT are not responding.
Regards to you all     jsaldea12 Feb 16, 2019

[Colin2B]

NASA and EHT are not responding.
Regards to you all     jsaldea12 Feb 16, 2019

If you want them to respond you need to contact them directly.

[jsaldea12 (OP)]

I contact them  through e-mails. Will try again. Hoping postively  response..through my e-mail or through Naked forum. jsadea12  Feb.16, 2019

[The Spoon]

I contact them  through e-mails. Will try again. Hoping postively  response..through my e-mail or through Naked forum. jsadea12  Feb.16, 2019

As has been stated before, NASA will not respond via Naked Science forum. Do you seriously think that they will?

[jsaldea12 (OP)]

NASA
Thru contact:Sheryl.E.Baca@nasa.gov,
 
Dear Ms. Baca:
 
Please click
on: https://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?topic=76107.0
Re-Inviting comments from NASA, EHT on contention no black hole exists.
REITERATING, would appreciate comments from NASA.
Thank you. Regards.
 
Very truly yours,
 
Jose s. aldea
Roxas City, Philippines
2.16.19
"
It is dissapointing that  the unquesttionably qualified directly involved " Event Horizon Team" blocked my e-mail.

If this revelation of undersigned is just ordinary, it is OK, but it is a very big matter: contention: No black hole exists. Let them respond. jsa Feb. 17, 2019

[Bored chemist]

So, you spammed NASA.
Why did you think that was a good idea?

If this revelation of undersigned is just ordinary

It's not a "revelation", it's a mistake.

Let them respond.

They responded; by ignoring + blocking you.

[jsaldea12 (OP)]

Trying to tackle the intriguing issue whether black hole is real because IT is ACTUAL is one of the biggest challenge in modern astronomy.. Surely EHT, NASA, as well as other respected astronomical societies  have read in passing the brief posting (re-Inviting comments from NASA, EHT that Black hole is just a super- giant boiling object in space…) which Naked Science, kindly, posted  in Google. I have presented, cannot be ignored, evidences after evidences why there is no black hole which no light can escape, thus, is invisible. Hope you will  re-post that article forum  to Google. (Again regards and thank you for being concerned when undersigned was sick. But now, he is recovering, hope so)  Jsaldea12 feb. 17, 2019