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Re: How close are we from building a virtual universe?
« Reply #660 on: 08/11/2023 08:33:56 »
Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 27/10/2023 06:21:12
Future robots will be able to do the same. They will only need seconds instead of days.
But what instruction will you give your robot? And what will Marek's grandchildren do with their time on this earth?
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Re: How close are we from building a virtual universe?
« Reply #661 on: 08/11/2023 08:47:19 »
Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 05/11/2023 21:12:04
mistakes by some powerful AI models causes extinction event
No. The mistake will be made by a human who was hoping to benefit from the action. You can delegate authority but not responsibility.

I'm currently driving a rental car that defaults to "lane assist" whenever I switch it on. This is fine if I'm cruising along an otherwise empty highway, but it objects and resists me if I try to leave my lane without signalling.

The least problem is that I gradually change my behavior and assume that I can change lanes any time, as long as I signal first. This can lead to a low-speed lateral impact with the guy the machine couldn't see and I didn't look for.

The greater problem is that the machine delays or inhibits my response to an emergency that requires me to swerve quickly.

The overriding rule is surely "don't hit anything, or if you must, hit the least animate object, it at the lowest possible closing speed, unless the animate object is vermin, but preferably don't hit a deer (they are vermin but very muscular)". Either way, I will be held liable, so I try to remember to disable the "assist" device before moving off. 
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Re: How close are we from building a virtual universe?
« Reply #662 on: 08/11/2023 13:20:25 »
Quote from: alancalverd on 08/11/2023 08:33:56
Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 27/10/2023 06:21:12
Future robots will be able to do the same. They will only need seconds instead of days.
But what instruction will you give your robot? And what will Marek's grandchildren do with their time on this earth?
The same as what you'll say to humans.
They'll do whatever they like AND can, given the conditions of their own bodies and environment to sustain consciousness in universe, not necessarily on earth surface.
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Re: How close are we from building a virtual universe?
« Reply #663 on: 08/11/2023 13:24:00 »
Quote from: alancalverd on 08/11/2023 08:47:19
No. The mistake will be made by a human who was hoping to benefit from the action. You can delegate authority but not responsibility.
The mistake made by AI will come from inaccurate data they were trained with, inaccurate data they are fed in, or the hyperparameters in their model structure.
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Re: How close are we from building a virtual universe?
« Reply #664 on: 08/11/2023 13:25:10 »
Quote from: alancalverd on 08/11/2023 08:47:19
I'm currently driving a rental car that defaults to "lane assist" whenever I switch it on. This is fine if I'm cruising along an otherwise empty highway, but it objects and resists me if I try to leave my lane without signalling.

The least problem is that I gradually change my behavior and assume that I can change lanes any time, as long as I signal first. This can lead to a low-speed lateral impact with the guy the machine couldn't see and I didn't look for.

The greater problem is that the machine delays or inhibits my response to an emergency that requires me to swerve quickly.

The overriding rule is surely "don't hit anything, or if you must, hit the least animate object, it at the lowest possible closing speed, unless the animate object is vermin, but preferably don't hit a deer (they are vermin but very muscular)". Either way, I will be held liable, so I try to remember to disable the "assist" device before moving off. 
Have you tried Tesla's FSD?
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Re: How close are we from building a virtual universe?
« Reply #665 on: 08/11/2023 19:07:25 »
Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 08/11/2023 13:24:00
The mistake made by AI will come from inaccurate data they were trained with, inaccurate data they are fed in, or the hyperparameters in their model structure.

And liability will fall on the person who installed it.

News today of a Korean worker killed by a robot "helper".
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Re: How close are we from building a virtual universe?
« Reply #666 on: 09/11/2023 21:06:59 »
To minimize errors, the designing and testing will be done by AI with distinct goals and agency. First, in virtual environment before released in to the real world. The virtual environment will become better over time, and represents objective reality in most of cases with diminishing outliiers.
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Re: How close are we from building a virtual universe?
« Reply #667 on: 09/11/2023 21:36:41 »
Milestones to AGI: We'll reach the tipping point when AI can do these three things...

There are some debates in the comments section over the described milestones, whether they mark the start of AGI, ASI, or even singularity. Here's one of top comments.
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Your conception of AGI finally clicks. The "tipping point" is when no additional human input is needed for the remainder of its future improvement.
That tipping point is described as singularity by some others.
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Re: How close are we from building a virtual universe?
« Reply #668 on: 10/11/2023 22:31:21 »
The Dark Side of Competition in AI | Liv Boeree | TED
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Competition is a core part of human nature, and it can drive us to extraordinary feats. But when it goes wrong, the results can be devastating. Poker champion and science communicator Liv Boeree introduces us to "Moloch's trap" ? the dark force of game theory driving many of humanity's biggest social problems, which is now threatening to derail the AI industry.
We can win a competition by being better than the others, or making others worse than us. In the past, where memes are still tightly connected to the hardware through genetics, natural selection worked by eliminating bad memes as the unfit at individual level. Good other memes carried by the eliminated individuals are also lost.
Now the memes are more loosely tied up to the hardware, and the selection process can be more precise. Memes can jump from one host to another quickly and easily without having to kill any of their hosts. Old memes or ideas can be superseded by newer and better memes without having to eliminate competing agents. For example, Intel and AMD has been competing in chip design for decades. Their chips alternately beat each other in specifications measured in benchmark tests. The chip designs evolved to be better over time without sacrificing the competing agents.
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Re: How close are we from building a virtual universe?
« Reply #669 on: 11/11/2023 14:16:52 »
Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 10/11/2023 22:31:21
The chip designs evolved to be better over time without sacrificing the competing agents.
Apart, that is , from those companies that went bust or were bought out en route.
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Re: How close are we from building a virtual universe?
« Reply #670 on: 12/11/2023 00:07:11 »
In genetic evolution, death of the competing agents is necessary due to limitations of genetic transfer methods and available material resources. But genetic engineering and nanotechnology will change the game.

On the other hand, memetic evolution is generally less restrictive. But it doesn't necessarily make the competing agents immune to death. Available resources are still finite after all.
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Re: How close are we from building a virtual universe?
« Reply #671 on: 18/11/2023 12:21:06 »
Post Labor Economics: How will the economy work after AGI? Recent thoughts and conversations

Technology's main impact is to reduce costs to achieve goals. Some side effects may or may not follow.
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Re: How close are we from building a virtual universe?
« Reply #672 on: 19/11/2023 21:29:40 »
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Re: How close are we from building a virtual universe?
« Reply #673 on: 20/11/2023 11:04:53 »
Market sentiment my arse. Greed, dear boy, pure and simple.
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Re: How close are we from building a virtual universe?
« Reply #674 on: 23/11/2023 04:44:07 »
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Market sentiment my arse. Greed, dear boy, pure and simple.
Dictionary defines greed as "intense and selfish desire for something, especially wealth, power, or food."
It leaves to interpretation the threshold of the intensity, and the scope of selfishness. Is the self limited to individual, direct family, close relatives, tribe, village, town, nation, race, species, etc?
Generally, greed is viewed negatively due to its negative impacts on out of self parties, such as in tragedy of the commons.
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Re: How close are we from building a virtual universe?
« Reply #675 on: 23/11/2023 05:05:58 »
What happens when AI eats itself?
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As AI-generated content fills the Internet, it?s corrupting the training data for models to come.
This is basically an effect of positive feedback. It undermines the validity of Nick Bostrom's infinite levels of nested simulation universe. At some point, the simulation must be related to something in physical universe for it to be useful.
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Re: How close are we from building a virtual universe?
« Reply #676 on: 23/11/2023 05:32:05 »
Hallucination is a problem with AI and other conscious entities in general that we must be aware of.

https://github.com/vectara/hallucination-leaderboard
Leaderboard Comparing LLM Performance at Producing Hallucinations when Summarizing Short Documents
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Public LLM leaderboard computed using Vectara's Hallucination Evaluation Model. This evaluates how often an LLM introduces hallucinations when summarizing a document. We plan to update this regularly as our model and the LLMs get updated over time.


Methodology
To determine this leaderboard, we trained a model to detect hallucinations in LLM outputs, using various open source datasets from the factual consistency research into summarization models. Using a model that is competitive with the best state of the art models, we then fed 1000 short documents to each of the LLMs above via their public APIs and asked them to summarize each short document, using only the facts presented in the document. Of these 1000 documents, only 831 document were summarized by every model, the remaining documents were rejected by at least one model due to content restrictions. Using these 831 documents, we then computed the overall accuracy (no hallucinations) and hallucination rate (100 - accuracy) for each model. The rate at which each model refuses to respond to the prompt is detailed in the 'Answer Rate' column. None of the content sent to the models contained illicit or 'not safe for work' content but the present of trigger words was enough to trigger some of the content filters. The documents were taken primarily from the CNN / Daily Mail Corpus. We used a temperature of 0 when calling the LLMs.

We evaluate summarization accuracy instead of overall factual accuracy because it allows us to compare the model's response to the provided information. In other words, is the summary provided 'factually consistent' with the source document. Determining hallucinations is impossible to do for any ad hoc question as it's not known precisely what data every LLM is trained on. In addition, having a model that can determine whether any response was hallucinated without a reference source requires solving the hallucination problem and presumably training a model as large or larger than these LLMs being evaluated. So we instead chose to look at the hallucination rate within the summarization task as this is a good analogue to determine how truthful the models are overall. In addition, LLMs are increasingly used in RAG (Retrieval Augmented Generation) pipelines to answer user queries, such as in Bing Chat and Google's chat integration. In a RAG system, the model is being deployed as a summarizer of the search results, so this leaderboard is also a good indicator for the accuracy of the models when used in RAG systems.
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Re: How close are we from building a virtual universe?
« Reply #677 on: 23/11/2023 07:41:40 »
I expect that future AGI won't be monolithic. Large language models can act as the central nervous systems, while smaller language models can act as the outer/edge nervous systems, perhaps like what's found in octopuses. These smaller models are generally preferred to solve simpler problems due to their efficiency.
Global problems require global solutions, while local problems require local solutions.
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Orca 1 learns from rich signals, such as explanation traces, allowing it to outperform conventional instruction-tuned models on benchmarks like BigBench Hard and AGIEval. In Orca 2, we continue exploring how improved training signals can enhance smaller LMs? reasoning abilities. Research on training small LMs has often relied on imitation learning to replicate the output of more capable models. We contend that excessive emphasis on imitation may restrict the potential of smaller models. We seek to teach small LMs to employ different solution strategies for different tasks, potentially different from the one used by the larger model. For example, while larger models might provide a direct answer to a complex task, smaller models may not have the same capacity. In Orca 2, we teach the model various reasoning techniques (step-by-step, recall then generate, recall-reason-generate, direct answer, etc.). More crucially, we aim to help the model learn to determine the most effective solution strategy for each task. We evaluate Orca 2 using a comprehensive set of 15 diverse benchmarks (corresponding to approximately 100 tasks and over 36,000 unique prompts). Orca 2 significantly surpasses models of similar size and attains performance levels similar or better to those of models 5-10x larger, as assessed on complex tasks that test advanced reasoning abilities in zero-shot settings. We open-source Orca 2 to encourage further research on the development, evaluation, and alignment of smaller LMs.
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Re: How close are we from building a virtual universe?
« Reply #678 on: 24/11/2023 03:05:27 »
Just found some videos discussing about events happened in OpenAI, which indicated some big things happened internally in AI advancement.
Q* Did OpenAI Achieve AGI? OpenAI Researchers Warn Board of Q-Star | Caused Sam Altman to be Fired?
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Exclusive: OpenAI researchers warned board of AI breakthrough ahead of CEO ouster, sources say
OpenAI Made an AI Breakthrough Before Altman Firing, Stoking Excitement and Concern


What is Q*? Speculation on how OpenAI's Q* works and why this is a critical step towards AGI
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Re: How close are we from building a virtual universe?
« Reply #679 on: 25/11/2023 00:15:11 »
Here's a more technical video about q*. It's time to be excited.

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