[Kryptid]

What do you think, smoking gun, for a lab created virus?

Nope.

[Jolly2]

What do you think, smoking gun, for a lab created virus?

Nope.

What would be?

[Kryptid]

What would be?

Some documentation from the lab that did it would be nice.

[Jolly2]

What would be?

Some documentation from the lab that did it would be nice.

Considering that any scientist responsible is probably destroying the evidence that's unlikely

[Kryptid]

Considering that any scientist responsible is probably destroying the evidence that's unlikely

Then why should we conclude that this virus was made in a lab?

[Bored chemist]

What do you think, smoking gun, for a lab created virus?

Nope.

What would be?

Something that would happen in a lab but couldn't happen in nature.
But, while we are getting better at DNA manipulation, nature is still better at it than us.
So, at the moment, there couldn't be evidence.
There's nothing we do that nature couldn't. OK, if you found someone's name encoded into the DNA, that would be a give-away, but that's not what anyone has found.

So what's left as "evidence" is stuff like a lab report- which as you say is going to be hard to find.

So the only thing left as a reason for us to think that covid was created in a lab would be if there was any reason to think that a lab would want to create covid.

Well... why would anyone bother?
It's a rubbish biological warfare agent.
Why else would anyone create a fairly bad, but not super-bad virus?

It can't be "because they want to make money from the vaccine" either.
If that was the reason there would be one company- the one who created the virus- who had a vaccine ready to roll  much faster than the others.
But we have at least 3 different vaccines all coming on stream at the same time from different companies.

And it's buggered up everyone's economy, so that can't be the reason.

So, why would anyone have made covid?

[alancalverd]

Or a computer virus?

Bored teenager turned into bored chemist.

[Jolly2]

What do you think, smoking gun, for a lab created virus?

Nope.

What would be?

Something that would happen in a lab but couldn't happen in nature.
But, while we are getting better at DNA manipulation, nature is still better at it than us.
So, at the moment, there couldn't be evidence.
There's nothing we do that nature couldn't. OK, if you found someone's name encoded into the DNA, that would be a give-away, but that's not what anyone has found.

So what's left as "evidence" is stuff like a lab report- which as you say is going to be hard to find.

So the only thing left as a reason for us to think that covid was created in a lab would be if there was any reason to think that a lab would want to create covid.

Well... why would anyone bother?
It's a rubbish biological warfare agent.
Why else would anyone create a fairly bad, but not super-bad virus?

It can't be "because they want to make money from the vaccine" either.
If that was the reason there would be one company- the one who created the virus- who had a vaccine ready to roll  much faster than the others.
But we have at least 3 different vaccines all coming on stream at the same time from different companies.

And it's buggered up everyone's economy, so that can't be the reason.

So, why would anyone have made covid?

Unfortunately the only people that can answer the question why was the virus made and released are the people that did it. Only they would actually know the real reason.

You are correct it is a bad virus in some senses, but it is also highly contagious,  possibly spreads Asymptomatically, attacks the lungs primarily and organs also leaving long term damage, which would probably push most to stop smoking.

But we are left to speculate why, if it is lab created only those that made and released it can know the actual motivation for doing so.

Some speculate, there is a link to Build back better, that the Corona virus has been released to firstly destroy economies,  to then rebuild them in a more environmentally friendly way, ofcourse the suggestion that the people responsible for the environmental situation, that got rich destroying the planet could possibly be capable of repairing it is kinda laughable, they remain incharge currently and are driving these efforts.
 
All we see currently is the rich getting even richer and the gaps of wealth inequality becoming wider and deeper. So I suppose some might suggest the 1% released covid to increase their wealth and power, either way it certianly is a result currently.
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Also looks like next year could see the starvation of millions across the 3rd world as a result of the lock downs. Malthusians will rejoice I'm sure.

There is also speculation about digital currency being introduced as cash can spread covid, digital currency is a well known long desired dream of the banking cartels. So there is a possibility.


And ofcourse documents from years ago show a desire from some quarters to create health passports. Where to travel you'll have to show you have all the needed vaccines.

Also heard speculation that the covid vaccine could relate to the roll out of 5G, either that the vaccine would offer protection from the 5G networks or allow some form of tracking by the networks.

Still again the push for 5G, is utterly unenvironmental, simply the amount of rare earths needed to make all devices smarts and all cars self driving and electric beggars belief, so as I suggested before the idea that the people who got rich destroying the planet could improve the situation is a joke. And 5G is anything but environmentally sound, you literally need to cut down trees to allow the signal to transmit correctly.

Make a crisis, sell the solution.

Might be as simple, as the solutions being called for, ARE the reasons the virus was made and released.

But as I said only the people that made and released this virus can actually answer the question why.

Thatcher gave power to the market and anyone ANYONE could end up in change as a result of that, maybe Blowfelt finally arrived at the top of 'Black water' inc, and said "I really want smoking gone, I'm tired if these people interfering with the negative liberty of others I'm gonna make a virus... HA HA"
 HA...

Or maybe he said "Let's ruin everyone's life and take over the world "

Who knows? If Blowfelt did it, only he can say why...

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Will add there needs to be an investigation into the sourse of this virus, there should be tighter controls placed on gain of function research, and biological weapons research. Fort Detrick was closed by the CDC precisely because they had allowed things to escape due to bad handling of materials. And we have seen many releases over years from different labs.

[Bored chemist]

Also heard speculation hogwash that the covid vaccine could relate to the roll out of 5G

FTFY


Do you not understand that Occam's razor says that the obvious explanation is that it's just another zoonotic getting lucky and going round the world?

There's no reason to suppose that anyone made this virus.
So why would you assume  stuff like this

he only people that can answer the question why was the virus made and released are the people that did it.

All we see currently is the rich getting even richer and the gaps of wealth inequality becoming wider and deeper.

That's all we ever see.
No link to covid.

[Jolly2]

Also heard speculation hogwash that the covid vaccine could relate to the roll out of 5G

FTFY


Do you not understand that Occam's razor says that the obvious explanation is that it's just another zoonotic getting lucky and going round the world?

There's no reason to suppose that anyone made this virus.
So why would you assume  stuff like this

https://www.minervanett.no/corona/the-most-logical-explanation-is-that-it-comes-from-a-laboratory/361860

To site It again. "We have never seen a Corona virus with these properties anywhere in nature, therefore the most logical explanation is that this virus has come from a lab, anyone seeking to claim zoological origin now has the burden of proof"
virologist Birger Sørensen

We have seen these kinds of Corona virus' in labs it is known that Fort Detrick and Wuhan both worked on Corna virus'


https://www.vox.com/2020/5/1/21243148/why-some-labs-work-on-making-viruses-deadlier-and-why-they-should-stop
Earlier this week, Newsweek and the Washington Post reported that the Wuhan Institute of Virology, a lab near the site of the first coronavirus cases in the world, had been studying bat coronaviruses

There is currently no smoking gun, but the majority of evidence lines up with Covid19 being lab created

Christopher Martenson , PhD , is an American scientist by training, Within his scientific career he has carried out research in the field of biochemistry , neurotoxicology , applied pharmacology and in vitro techniques .


They are both qualified to comment, Mr chemist,

I'm suprised to see so many scientists not simply empirical move with the evidence, and assume zoological origin.

So I  dont assume anything, it appears to me your the one assuming.

[Bored chemist]

"We have never seen a Corona virus with these properties anywhere in nature, therefore the most logical explanation is that ...

... we didn't look in the right place.

There is currently no smoking gun, but the majority of evidence lines up with Covid19 being lab created

And, as I have pointed out, it also lines up with it being natural because, as I said, there's nothing much we can do in the lab which nature couldn't.

They are both qualified to comment,

So am I, and you should know better than to try and push an argument from authority on this site.
It just gets you laughed at.

simply empirical move with the evidence

And this is the evidence.

There is currently no smoking gun

And that's why we are not rejecting the null hypothesis
It's because we are scientists, not newspaper headline writers.

If you want me to believe an extraordinary claim, you need to provide extraordinary evidence.

The best you have so far is "we can't prove it's natural".

Incidentally, why does it matter?
If some twit in a lab flushed it without autoclaving it and it was picked up by a bat, what actual difference would that make?

[Kryptid]

Also heard speculation that the covid vaccine could relate to the roll out of 5G, either that the vaccine would offer protection from the 5G networks or allow some form of tracking by the networks.

You've got to be kidding...

[Jolly2]

"We have never seen a Corona virus with these properties anywhere in nature, therefore the most logical explanation is that ...

... we didn't look in the right place.

There is currently no smoking gun, but the majority of evidence lines up with Covid19 being lab created

And, as I have pointed out, it also lines up with it being natural because, as I said, there's nothing much we can do in the lab which nature couldn't.

They are both qualified to comment,

So am I, and you should know better than to try and push an argument from authority on this site.
It just gets you laughed at.

simply empirical move with the evidence

And this is the evidence.

There is currently no smoking gun

And that's why we are not rejecting the null hypothesis
It's because we are scientists, not newspaper headline writers.

If you want me to believe an extraordinary claim, you need to provide extraordinary evidence.

Knowing as we do that bio weapons laboratories are working on Corona virus'. How is it extraordinary to claim one might have escaped? Or been released?

The best you have so far is "we can't prove it's natural".

Incidentally, why does it matter?
If some twit in a lab flushed it without autoclaving it and it was picked up by a bat, what actual difference would that make?

It makes a huge difference, a naturally occurring virus compared to one released intentionally. As those who released it would have an agenda by doing so.

[Jolly2]

Also heard speculation that the covid vaccine could relate to the roll out of 5G, either that the vaccine would offer protection from the 5G networks or allow some form of tracking by the networks.

You've got to be kidding...

No there are all kinds of ideas out there, nano bots that can be use to track people, metals that will either protect or increase the damage from 5G waves.... on and on.

[Bored chemist]

No there are all kinds of ideas out there

Don't bring them here.
This is a science site.

[Bored chemist]

It makes a huge difference, a naturally occurring virus compared to one released intentionally.

That's not what I said.

If some twit in a lab flushed it without autoclaving it and it was picked up by a bat,

[alancalverd]

You have to accept as fact that a lot of people are comparing COVID with Spanish flu. And for very good reasons.

SF began in the USA but was blamed on Spain by agents of the Deep State, housed in Area 51, as part of the worldwide  conspiracy to flood the world with 45 MHz television signals. The UK was divided into two groups with H or X aerials depending on whether the household was under continuous surveillance by MI5 or CIA.  45MHz is the fundamental frequency of the left brain.

February 26 1953– Fulton Sheen, on his program Life Is Worth Living, reads Shakespeare's Julius Caesar, with the names of high-ranking Soviet officials replacing the key characters. At the end of the reading, Sheen intoned that "Stalin must one day meet his judgment". Stalin died one week later.

The switch to satellite monitoring allowed the covert world to monitor individuals at high resolution unless they were wearing aluminum headgear which protects the chakras from emitting 4.5 GHz during the "advertising breaks" which contain subliminal messages to vote for Corbyn and Trump. These messages are more easily absorbed in the brain has been primed with HIV or herpes molecules - two major epidemics of the 1990s that we don't hear about any more.

COVID-19 resonates at 700 MHz and is used to sensitise the nervous system to receive commands from digital TV.

19/11/2020 · European regulators have identified the 3.4-3.8GHz band and plan to harmonise it to make it suitable for 5G. It will be the main frequency band for the launch of 5G.

In other words, they have released COVID-19 (note the date) in order to track your movements. The so-called "lockdowns" have nothing to do with public health but are released in specific areas from time to time to enable the monitoring network to be calibrated. The virus is wholly innocuous but a few people have to be killed from time to time to test the calibration, so they are infected with "co-morbidities" depending on their age and race.

It's obvious.

[Bored chemist]

Don't forget the masks.
They are upgrading the face recognition system to deal with people obscuring their faces. and have to test it.

[Colin2B]

No there are all kinds of ideas out there, nano bots that can be use to track people, metals that will either protect or increase the damage from 5G waves.... on and on.

This site should not be used to disseminate conspiracy theories and other unsubstantiated rumours, particularly in the area of Covid where there is already too much false news.

[Kryptid]

No there are all kinds of ideas out there, nano bots that can be use to track people, metals that will either protect or increase the damage from 5G waves.... on and on.

When I said, "You've got to be kidding..." I was talking about the fact that you thought it was worth giving that idea more than a second of consideration.