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Is there a better way to explain light?

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Re: Is there a better way to explain light?
« Reply #140 on: 22/11/2022 17:20:28 »
Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 22/11/2022 03:19:28
What causes the diffracted light in a vertically tilted single edge diffraction to produce curved pattern?
Geometry.
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Re: Is there a better way to explain light?
« Reply #141 on: 23/11/2022 04:03:45 »
Quote from: Origin on 22/11/2022 17:10:09
Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 22/11/2022 03:25:24
Someone who misunderstands the mechanism of double slit experiment would not likely to admit that they are confused by the result. It would jeopardize their credibility.
Physicists are just pretending to understand physics?  You're a funny guy...
They misunderstand what's going on with their experiments. That's a possibility, and already happened from time to time.

In case you missed these questions.
Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 22/11/2022 03:19:28
What's your understanding about diffraction and interference of light? Let's start with the simplest case of diffraction.
What causes the diffracted light in a vertically tilted single edge diffraction to produce curved pattern?

If you have problem answering the questions, you can ask for help from some professional physicists. You don't have to answer them yourself.
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Re: Is there a better way to explain light?
« Reply #142 on: 23/11/2022 11:59:13 »
Quote from: alancalverd on 22/11/2022 17:20:28
Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 22/11/2022 03:19:28
What causes the diffracted light in a vertically tilted single edge diffraction to produce curved pattern?
Geometry.
How does one word explain anything?
My experiment using microwave shows an aluminum plate doesn't produce measurable diffraction, but acrylic plates do. They  have similar geometry.
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Re: Is there a better way to explain light?
« Reply #143 on: 23/11/2022 15:51:03 »
Draw some pictures and you will see what is happening. What determines the separation of the interference lines?

As I pointed out some time ago, your dielectric was much thicker (commensurate with the microwave wavelength) and also capable of refraction.
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Re: Is there a better way to explain light?
« Reply #144 on: 23/11/2022 17:12:05 »
Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 23/11/2022 11:59:13
How does one word explain anything?
Well... it depends on you understanding the word.
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Re: Is there a better way to explain light?
« Reply #145 on: 24/11/2022 12:12:24 »
Quote from: alancalverd on 23/11/2022 15:51:03
Draw some pictures and you will see what is happening. What determines the separation of the interference lines?

As I pointed out some time ago, your dielectric was much thicker (commensurate with the microwave wavelength) and also capable of refraction.
I've made 2 videos exploring vertically tilted diffraction, which showed that diffraction patterns come from the light which changes direction after hitting the obstacles. They can't possibly come from the space uncovered by the obstacles.

At the end of the my video on horizontally tilted diffraction, you can see a half interference pattern produced by two cylindrical batteries. I've repeated the experiment using two knives and got similar pattern.

In my early video about diffraction of light I've shown that diffraction is distinguished from refraction, based on the angle of deflection.

You can make the aluminum plate thicker, and still don't get diffracted microwave.

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Re: Is there a better way to explain light?
« Reply #146 on: 24/11/2022 12:17:34 »
Quote from: Bored chemist on 23/11/2022 17:12:05
Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 23/11/2022 11:59:13
How does one word explain anything?
Well... it depends on you understanding the word.
How do you understand it?
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Re: Is there a better way to explain light?
« Reply #147 on: 24/11/2022 12:51:11 »
Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 24/11/2022 12:17:34
Quote from: Bored chemist on 23/11/2022 17:12:05
Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 23/11/2022 11:59:13
How does one word explain anything?
Well... it depends on you understanding the word.
How do you understand it?
Someone on this site (and I think it was you) asked about the pattern you get using a diffraction grating at an angle.
The answer is that the diffracted beams form a cone.
That's what you get from the geometry of the system.
I think I posted pictures to illustrate the idea.
Do you recall that?

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Re: Is there a better way to explain light?
« Reply #148 on: 24/11/2022 16:45:09 »
Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 23/11/2022 04:03:45
They misunderstand what's going on with their experiments. That's a possibility, and already happened from time to time.
This video shows an example where physicists made mistakes. Another physicist points out the mistakes. Although the explanation hasn't yet cover the experimental results I've described above.

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Re: Is there a better way to explain light?
« Reply #149 on: 24/11/2022 18:10:54 »
There's little point in making videos of people making mistakes,  except for safety training. And even less point in watching them.
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Re: Is there a better way to explain light?
« Reply #150 on: 25/11/2022 00:04:48 »
Quote from: alancalverd on 24/11/2022 18:10:54
There's little point in making videos of people making mistakes,  except for safety training. And even less point in watching them.
Don't you think that it's important to prevent misinformations from spreading?  They can affect people's decisions, and have real world consequences.
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Re: Is there a better way to explain light?
« Reply #151 on: 25/11/2022 13:37:09 »
Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 25/11/2022 00:04:48
Don't you think that it's important to prevent misinformations from spreading?  They can affect people's decisions, and have real world consequences.
My irony meter just exploded...
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Re: Is there a better way to explain light?
« Reply #152 on: 25/11/2022 15:19:39 »
Origin, on reading some of the "new theories" threads my bullshit meter failed catastrophically-it pegged so hard that the pointer separated from the moving coil ( old analogue bs meter ).
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Re: Is there a better way to explain light?
« Reply #153 on: 26/11/2022 00:01:40 »
Quote from: Origin on 25/11/2022 13:37:09
My irony meter just exploded...
A moving irony device, perhaps? But the moving iron mechanism is generally nonlinear and very tolerant of overload! 
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Re: Is there a better way to explain light?
« Reply #154 on: 26/11/2022 04:48:00 »
Quote from: Origin on 25/11/2022 13:37:09
Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 25/11/2022 00:04:48
Don't you think that it's important to prevent misinformations from spreading?  They can affect people's decisions, and have real world consequences.
My irony meter just exploded...

Surely you need to improve your argumentation skill in scientific discussion.

Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 31/10/2022 12:10:29

Graham's Hierarchy of Disagreement
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When you discuss a topic and everyone agrees, the conversation often dies out quickly. But when you disagree, you're putting yourself in opposition to what was said, and the discussion continues. Paul Graham, a computer engineer, therefore proposed a “Hierarchy of Disagreement” in 2008. Learn at which level you are able to articulate your disagreement. Hopefully it’s not just name-calling or responding to tone.

CHAPTER
00:00 Opening quotes and statement
00:52 Introduction
01:19 Graham's hierarchy of disagreement
01:32 Level 1: Name-calling
01:48 Level 2: Ad hominem
02:14 Level 3: Responding to tone
02:41 Level 4: Contradiction
03:08 Level 5: Counterargument
03:41 Level 6: Refutation
04:13 Level 7: Refuting the central point
05:05 Benefit of knowing the form of argument
06:06 What do you think?
06:58 Patrons credits
07:07 Ending
When we disagree, it would be helpful to identify the level of our disagreement.
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Re: Is there a better way to explain light?
« Reply #155 on: 26/11/2022 05:00:21 »
The point of posting science Youtube videos in a scientific forum is to determine their veracity through discussions based on scientific knowledge of the forum members. Someone else out there know something that we don't know. Be humble and open minded. Only then we can learn something new.

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Re: Is there a better way to explain light?
« Reply #156 on: 26/11/2022 11:22:37 »
Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 26/11/2022 04:48:00
When we disagree, it would be helpful to identify the level of our disagreement.
The problems is that you do not reliably recognise a refutation of your ideas when it is presented to you.
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Re: Is there a better way to explain light?
« Reply #157 on: 26/11/2022 12:43:14 »
Quote from: Bored chemist on 26/11/2022 11:22:37
Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 26/11/2022 04:48:00
When we disagree, it would be helpful to identify the level of our disagreement.
The problems is that you do not reliably recognise a refutation of your ideas when it is presented to you.
Point one.
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Re: Is there a better way to explain light?
« Reply #158 on: 27/11/2022 11:31:10 »
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Graham's Hierarchy of Disagreement
Calverd's hierarchy of disagreement
1. State case
2. set out counterarguments
3. how many lives/how much money at stake? If none, continue, else go to 8
4. agree the critical experiment
5. do the critical experiment
6. review critical experiment
7. agree - go to end
8. take the less dangerous or if equally dangerous, less costly route
9. evaluate
10 agree - go to end.
11. end - shake hands, write down and remember the answer.

If neither lives nor money are at stake, and there is no critical experiment, do something important instead of arguing.
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Re: Is there a better way to explain light?
« Reply #159 on: 28/11/2022 06:19:51 »
Quote from: alancalverd on 27/11/2022 11:31:10
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Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 31/10/2022 12:10:29
Graham's Hierarchy of Disagreement
Calverd's hierarchy of disagreement
1. State case
2. set out counterarguments
3. how many lives/how much money at stake? If none, continue, else go to 8
4. agree the critical experiment
5. do the critical experiment
6. review critical experiment
7. agree - go to end
8. take the less dangerous or if equally dangerous, less costly route
9. evaluate
10 agree - go to end.
11. end - shake hands, write down and remember the answer.

If neither lives nor money are at stake, and there is no critical experiment, do something important instead of arguing.
Instead of hierarchy, the list above looks more like a flowchart. This thread is supposed to be in step #6.
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