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Was the universe created by an intelligent entity rather than chance evolution?

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Re: Was the universe created by an intelligent entity rather than chance evolution?
« Reply #140 on: 14/03/2022 08:41:16 »
Quote from: Kartazion on 14/03/2022 03:53:56
Some scientists consider the chance of living in a matrix to be 50%.
Again you are misquoting the paper which says very clearly that the probability is less than 50%
“Using Bayesian model averaging, it is shown that the probability that we are sims is in fact less than 50%, tending towards that value in the limit of an infinite number of simulations.“
Why do you insist on consistently misquoting and misrepresenting articles and papers?
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Re: Was the universe created by an intelligent entity rather than chance evolution?
« Reply #141 on: 14/03/2022 08:41:36 »
Quote from: Kartazion on 11/03/2022 02:50:44
Quote from: Bored chemist on 08/03/2022 16:15:10
As far as I can tell, it's just a relabelling of an old question.
And centuries of argument have never shown any convincing argument for a God, nor have they shown anything that can't be  explained without one.
Yes nothing in particular. Just the usual prophetic messages to kings, like this:

Jeremiah 4:7
English Standard Version
A lion has gone up from his thicket, a destroyer of nations has set out; he has gone out from his place to make your land a waste; your cities will be ruins without inhabitant.



Jeremiah 5:12-31
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12 They have spoken falsely of the LORD and have said, ‘He will do nothing; no disaster will come upon us, nor shall we see sword or famine.

13 The prophets will become wind; the word is not in them. Thus shall it be done to them!’” The LORD Proclaims Judgment

14 Therefore thus says the LORD, the God of hosts: “Because you have spoken this word, behold, I am making my words in your mouth a fire, and this people wood, and the fire shall consume them.

15 Behold, I am bringing against you a nation from afar, O house of Israel, declares the LORD. It is an enduring nation; it is an ancient nation, a nation whose language you do not know, nor can you understand what they say.

16 Their quiver is like an open tomb; they are all mighty warriors.

17 They shall eat up your harvest and your food; they shall eat up your sons and your daughters; they shall eat up your flocks and your herds; they shall eat up your vines and your fig trees; your fortified cities in which you trust
they shall beat down with the sword.”

18 “But even in those days, declares the LORD, I will not make a full end of you. 19And when your people say, ‘Why has the LORD our God done all these things to us?’ you shall say to them, ‘As you have forsaken me and served foreign gods in your land, so you shall serve foreigners in a land that is not yours.’”

20 Declare this in the house of Jacob; proclaim it in Judah:

21 “Hear this, O foolish and senseless people, who have eyes, but see not, who have ears, but hear not.

22 Do you not fear me? declares the LORD. Do you not tremble before me? I placed the sand as the boundary for the  sea, a perpetual barrier that it cannot pass; though the waves toss, they cannot prevail; though they roar, they cannot pass over it.

23 But this people has a stubborn and rebellious heart; they have turned aside and gone away.

24 They do not say in their hearts, ‘Let us fear the LORD our God, who gives the rain in its season, the autumn rain and the spring rain, and keeps for us the weeks appointed for the harvest.’

25 Your iniquities have turned these away, and your sins have kept good from you.

26 For wicked men are found among my people; they lurk like fowlers lying in wait.a They set a trap; they catch men.

27 Like a cage full of birds, their houses are full of deceit; therefore they have become great and rich;

28 they have grown fat and sleek. They know no bounds in deeds of evil; they judge not with justice the cause of the fatherless, to make it prosper, and they do not defend the rights of the needy.

29 Shall I not punish them for these things? declares the LORD, and shall I not avenge myself on a nation such as his?”

30 An appalling and horrible thing has happened in the land:

31 the prophets prophesy falsely, and the priests rule at their direction; my people love to have it so, but what will you do when the end comes?



Yes, that's exactly the sort of nonsense that has got us nowhere for centuries.
Are you just repeating it pointlessly?
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Re: Was the universe created by an intelligent entity rather than chance evolution?
« Reply #142 on: 14/03/2022 09:20:31 »
Quote from: Colin2B on 14/03/2022 08:41:16
Quote from: Kartazion on 14/03/2022 03:53:56
Some scientists consider the chance of living in a matrix to be 50%.
Again you are misquoting the paper which says very clearly that the probability is less than 50%
“Using Bayesian model averaging, it is shown that the probability that we are sims is in fact less than 50%, tending towards that value in the limit of an infinite number of simulations.“
Why do you insist on consistently misquoting and misrepresenting articles and papers?

Sorry, but you are wrong about the final conclusion.

References:
Do We Live in a Simulation? Chances Are about 50–50 https://www.scientificamerican.com › ...
13 oct. 2020 — And third, the probability that we are living in a simulation is close to one. Before Bostrom, the movie The Matrix had already done its ...

Chances We're Living in the Real Matrix Are Now 50-50 ...https://movieweb.com › the-matrix-r...
22 oct. 2020 — There is a 50-50 chance that we are living in The Matrix according to a new study.

Scientists say there's a 50/50 chance we're living in a ...https://nypost.com › 2020/10/16 › s...
16 oct. 2020 — Still from "The Matrix." ... There's a 50 percent chance we're living in a computer simulation, according to new analysis. A scientist from ...

So turns out there's a 50% chance we're living in The Matrix ...https://www.digitalspy.com › movies
13 sept. 2016 — One which - like the film - we have no awareness of being connected to. The Bank of America's Merrill Lynch claimed it could be as high as a 50% ...

There's a 50% chance we're living in The Matrix, Bank of ...https://www.thesun.co.uk › news › t...
13 sept. 2016 — There's a 50% chance we're living in The Matrix, Bank of America claims. Analysts claim humanity could be trapped in simulated reality ...

Study Claims We Have a 50-50 Chance of Currently Living in ...https://comicbook.com › irl › news
20 oct. 2020 — In The Matrix, humanity is unknowingly trapped inside a simulated reality created by intelligent [...]

There's A 50-50 Chance We're Living In The Matrix, Study ...https://screenrant.com › matrix-movi...
21 oct. 2020 — There's A 50-50 Chance We're Living In The Matrix, Study Claims ... The Matrix movies may be more realistic than originally thought, as a study ...

There's a 50-50 Chance We Really Are Living in a Simulation https://www.ign.com › articles › ther...
19 oct. 2020 — Some scientists believe that there's a 50-50 chance we really are living in a simulation, and now we have to wonder if The Matrix is looking ...

50 Percent Chance We're Living in the Matrix, Says Bank of ...https://investingnews.com › daily
14 sept. 2016 — Bank of America Merrill Lynch looked at the implications of virtual reality and cited a 20-50 percent probability that humans are already ...
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Re: Was the universe created by an intelligent entity rather than chance evolution?
« Reply #143 on: 14/03/2022 09:50:54 »
Quote from: Kartazion on 14/03/2022 09:20:31
There's a 50% chance we're living in The Matrix, Bank of ...https://www.thesun.co.uk › news › t...
13 sept. 2016 — There's a 50% chance we're living in The Matrix, Bank of America claims. Analysts claim humanity could be trapped in simulated reality ...
Do you realise that the Sun isn't even a newspaper?
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Re: Was the universe created by an intelligent entity rather than chance evolution?
« Reply #144 on: 14/03/2022 09:55:11 »
Quote from: Kartazion on 14/03/2022 09:20:31
Quote from: Colin2B on 14/03/2022 08:41:16
Quote from: Kartazion on 14/03/2022 03:53:56
Some scientists consider the chance of living in a matrix to be 50%.
Again you are misquoting the paper which says very clearly that the probability is less than 50%
“Using Bayesian model averaging, it is shown that the probability that we are sims is in fact less than 50%, tending towards that value in the limit of an infinite number of simulations.“
Why do you insist on consistently misquoting and misrepresenting articles and papers?

Sorry, but you are wrong about the final conclusion.
And your references include:
The Sun
Digital spy
Moviweb
Screenrant
Comicbook
Ign
Investing news

And you still misquoted
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