[alancalverd]

"It gets even worse: for those vaccinated persons whose breakthrough infection occurred after the second dose, (illness detected on Day 29), their ability to develop N antibodies was 13 TIMES worse than that of the unvaccinated"

In plain English: people who are infected develop antibodies, people with defective immune systems get sicker.

[Petrochemicals]

The vaccine did not stop transmission,

Not true. It reduced the incidence of COVID among the vaccinated population. OK, to be pedantic, it didn't stop active carriers from exhaling (transmitting) , but it did reduce the susceptibility of others to becoming clinically infected (receiving) and passing it on.

Clearly wrong Alan, we were promised a vaccine similar to the measles, the mantra was "get vaccinated to protect others" with a whole raft of attention seeking morons getting their fizogs splashed around in support. But it did not stop the spread, it protected people from the worst effects. It did not stop transmission as can be seen from the numbers who reported having the virus, one in fifteen people for 6 months is not the hallmark of heard immunity nor the evidence against others being infected.

If done properly a working herd immunity amongst the under 50s could have been achieved by June 2020, rather than dragging the whole thing out for 2 years. It may well have saved lives doing it that way.

[alancalverd]

Only a fool would think that vaccinating a few people would eliminate a virus. It took 70 years to eliminate smallpox, despite worldwide compulsory vaccination. But when did you last hear of a new polio case?

Herd immunity among the under-50s could be achieved by killing about 10%  of them, or crippling the hospital system with potential long-COVID survivors, but it wouldn't protect those who have paid for their medical services by taxation (i.e. the over-50's) nor the newborn. And the damage to The Blessed Economy would be irreparable. Incidentally, having a good-sized pool of infected folk would pretty much guarantee the evolution of new variants.

Who cares? Statistics is boring. Old people are boring. Truth is last year. Science? What's that?

[paul cotter]

No vaccine is perfect but it was the best solution we had at the time. It's very easy for these reality deniers to hurl bullshit from the sidelines. Antiviral drugs work well for a tiny minorities of infections but in general we have very few effective treatments for viral pathology. Rna viruses are inherently unstable and variants will continue to arise, regardless of what we do. There is no doubt mistakes were made but then again the only exact science is hindsight.

[hj38 (OP)]

Only a fool would think that vaccinating a few people would eliminate a virus. It took 70 years to eliminate smallpox, despite worldwide compulsory vaccination. But when did you last hear of a new polio case?

Herd immunity among the under-50s could be achieved by killing about 10%  of them, or crippling the hospital system with potential long-COVID survivors, but it wouldn't protect those who have paid for their medical services by taxation (i.e. the over-50's) nor the newborn. And the damage to The Blessed Economy would be irreparable. Incidentally, having a good-sized pool of infected folk would pretty much guarantee the evolution of new variants.

Who cares? Statistics is boring. Old people are boring. Truth is last year. Science? What's that?

What drives evolution towards resistance is not using TO LITTLE antibiotics. 
Same principle.
This mass vaxx pretty much guarantee herd immunity is impossible.

[hj38 (OP)]

This ensure more dangerous variants will become competitive of course. And because of immune imprinting vaxxed have less natural immunity.

"Conclusion We report high incidence of omicron infections despite recent booster vaccination in triple vaccinated individuals. Vaccine-induced antibody titres seem to play a limited role in risk of omicron infection. High viral load and secretion of live virus for up to nine days may increase transmission in a triple vaccinated population."

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2022.04.02.22273333v1.full [nofollow]

[Bored chemist]

If done properly a working herd immunity amongst the under 50s could have been achieved by June 2020

Without an effective cure "herd immunity" means "letting the vulnerable die quickly".
That's a pretty stupid policy to support.

[evan_au]

What drives evolution towards resistance is not using TO LITTLE antibiotics

I'm not sure about the double negative, but...
- When we talk about antibiotic resistance, we are usually talking about bacteria being resistant to antibiotics, not viruses
- Antibiotics are most often prescribed after bacterial infection; taking a dose of antibiotics as prophylaxis (often done with chickens and livestock) is likely to promote antibiotic resistance
       - However, it takes a week or two for a vaccine to gain maximum effect, so they are usually prescribed before infection (especially with a disease like COVID, which has a short incubation period)
- In fact, prescribing antibiotics for a viral infection is likely to promote antibiotic resistance among the body's normal bacteriome
- Using too little antibiotics, leaving the more-resistant bacteria as survivors does promote antibiotic resistance
      - In my country, antibiotics come with instructions like "take the whole course of antibiotics"
      - I notice that in some other countries, you can go to a pharmacist and ask for just one antibiotic pill, when a normal course is 10 pills. That is also likely to promote antibiotic resistance
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antimicrobial_resistance

[paul cotter]

I smell a scam. Just as Andrew wakefield was paid to discredit the mmr vaccine so as to gain market share for his backer's individual measles, mumps and rubella vaccines bossche has claimed to be working on a vaccine based on the innate immune system. Since the innate immune system has no memory cell function and is basically a nonspecific garbage disposal system how can such a "vaccine" work? Most of these contrarians have some grudge against mainstream science(usually because of bad research being denounced) and will attack on any subject that gives them publicity.

[alancalverd]

This mass vaxx pretty much guarantee herd immunity is impossible.

For which may the Lord be praised.
Herd immunity is the result of strictly Darwinian elimination of those that are not immune - probably over 90% of the human population in this case. It is effective but ruthless.
Come to think of it, this might have solved the most important problem of all.

[alancalverd]

high incidence

Scientists don't use adjectives if numbers are available.

[set fair]

I decided to check Geert Vanden Bossche out to see what he has to say for himself. I watched

. The first half is at least self consistant but psuedo science. The second half is moronic drivel. If you listen to this for yourself hj38 you will be relieved of the notion that this character has anything sensible to contribute.

For example:-
1) He describes the spike protein as moving in and out (ie alternating between the down and up confirmation state), which would violate the first law of thermodynamics, so you know he's making it up.
2) He talks about dendritic cells migrating to various organs around the body and infecting them. In fact they migrate to draining lymph nodes via afferent lymph ducts. They are antigen presenting cells and once in the lymph node they present the antigen to T cell. They don't infect cells except in the case of AIDS where CD4 T cells, uniquely, are the HIV host cell.
3) He claims that cells displaying the spike protein on their outer membrane causes syncytia. A spike protein is common part af the body plan of many viruses and cells routeinly display the proteins they are producing (in order for the immune cells to detect whether or not they are making non-self proteins, which would indicate that they are infected). So if displaying a CoV2 spike protein led to syncytia then so would all the other viral spike proteins, and we would all be dead.