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[Asking ChatGPT] Why would LED ligths in cargo ship is a good idea?

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Re: [Asking ChatGPT] Why would LED ligths in cargo ship is a good idea?
« Reply #20 on: 31/03/2023 17:58:06 »
I can't imagine that the reliability or power consumption of LEDs is news to anyone with an interest in lighting, particularly in a commercial or industrial context.

Obviously, the most intense light will be on and around the LEDs, on the ship and wherever it moves slowest or stops. The last thing any shipowner, harbormaster or seaway maintenance dredger wants to do is encourage the growth of kelp, barnacles, or anything else. It won't have any effect on the high seas because kelp and other seaweeds  can only inhabit shallow water.

So what "useable output"  has AI contributed?
1. Common knowledge. If you are building or refitting a ship, lighting manufacturers will offer you catalogs of LED lamps and help you choose the most appropriate ones.
2 At worst, a danger to shipping, and at best, a serious increase in hull drag that will require additional fuel consumption and maintenance and thus damage both trade and the ecosystem.

Music is one of the ways animals communicate with each other. If I'm playing hymns in a brass band, I'm communicating someone else's superstitions to other believers (I don't share the superstitions, but the postman isn't the taxman - he's just carrying the message). If I'm playing jazz, I'm telling the audience how I feel. I have no interest in the noises a machine makes - the less the better, unless something needs repairing.
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Re: [Asking ChatGPT] Why would LED ligths in cargo ship is a good idea?
« Reply #21 on: 31/03/2023 20:44:03 »
Quote from: OP
LED lights in cargo ship
It's already being done - cruise liners are lit up at night like a beacon on the sea.
- Partly so every other ship can see them from a great distance (even without radar)
- Partly for advertising
- Partly so they can see anyone toppling overboard

A month ago I was talking to an astronomer who had been the resident expert on astronomy-themed cruises
- She described the feeling of power as she called up the bridge, and half the ship was plunged into darkness.
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Re: [Asking ChatGPT] Why would LED ligths in cargo ship is a good idea?
« Reply #22 on: 01/04/2023 12:00:07 »
And if you are crewing any vessel without inebriated passengers, from a small yacht via military vessels to a tanker or container carrier, the last thing you want is to be lit up like a christmas tree. Nav lights and only the deck lights you actually need for work, please. Radar is all very well, but scotoptic vision works at all ranges and every crew member can use it - as long as the ship is dark!

An old chum was the navigator on a bulk carrier. Only used GPS to confirm his astronomical sightings, because one day, the electronics will fail but the stars and his mechanical watch will still be going round.
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Re: [Asking ChatGPT] Why would LED ligths in cargo ship is a good idea?
« Reply #23 on: 01/04/2023 21:04:23 »
Cgpt is Good, but it can do Better!

LEDs are Nice, having more will be Nicer.

Kelp is a bit Complicated.

I donno if We have figured out Kelp varieties that could grow in Deep oceans vs Shallow coastal shorelines.

Temperature differences across Oceans would also need to be Considered, taking into Account Sunlight variations at the Equator vs the Poles.

Not sure if Kelp would like it's Circadian Rhythm being Disturbed in an Untimely manner by Huge cargo ships.

Donno how long Ships would have to be Anchored to provide enough Blue light stimulation, don't think Them passing by slowly would be Appreciated by the Kelp or not.

Anyways, Hope We can come up with a tasty n delicious variety of Kelp, fit for human Consumption, Without Any long term Negative side effects.

(Not an ADboy but still, Thank You Google Search, Wikipedia & a peanut sized human brain)

*Suggestions :-

The OP seems to be Advertising or Promoting use of a Specific LLM.

It is Observably becoming a Repeating & Regular trend.

Responding to a Query with Generative textual output program, is Fine.

But, it should Not be done Unless & Until someone Specifically asks or Requests for it.

Besides, after acquiring a Logical output, Purposefully Editing it, or attempting to MisTranslate it & then Copying & Pasting it on a Public Forum could be viewed as a Means towards Tarnishing the image of a Specific LLM or Company.
(OpenAI will Definitely Not like this & Cgpt Admirers will Hate it)

*Note - Creating an OP byself, invoking Cgpt byself & providing an Answer for the same byself...UnSolicitedly is Spam!

(this whole post was made possible by utilizing Natural Intelligence & bears no resemblance whatsoever to Artificial Intelligence)
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Re: [Asking ChatGPT] Why would LED ligths in cargo ship is a good idea?
« Reply #24 on: 01/04/2023 22:46:28 »
Quote from: International Energy Agency
Starting around 2001, the compound semiconductor gallium nitride fomented a revolution in lighting that has been, by some measures, the fastest technology shift in human history. In just two decades, the share of the global lighting market held by gallium-nitride-based light-emitting diodes has gone from zero to more than 50 percent

See: https://spectrum.ieee.org/silicon-carbide

Many ships are switching to electric motors, and these semiconductor compounds make the conversion and transport of energy more efficient within the ship. (For now, ships will remain with fossil fuel storage.)
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Re: [Asking ChatGPT] Why would LED ligths in cargo ship is a good idea?
« Reply #25 on: 01/04/2023 23:35:03 »
Quote from: Zer0 on 01/04/2023 21:04:23
I donno if We have figured out Kelp varieties that could grow in Deep oceans vs Shallow coastal shorelines.
Obviously not. Kelp relies on photosynthesis. No sunlight at depth. If the sun went out and the only source of light was LEDs on ships, the only place kelp would grow would be on the bottom of ships and in the shallow shipping lanes and harbors, exactly where you don't want it.

What AI has contributed to this discussion is Artificial Stupidity, which now seems to have infected some humans.
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Re: [Asking ChatGPT] Why would LED ligths in cargo ship is a good idea?
« Reply #26 on: 01/04/2023 23:38:09 »
Quote from: alancalverd on 01/04/2023 12:00:07
An old chum was the navigator on a bulk carrier. Only used GPS to confirm his astronomical sightings, because one day, the electronics will fail but the stars and his mechanical watch will still be going round.
The key to GPS reliability is multiple obsolesance. GPS has more than 1 satellite there is more that 1 positioning system. Have more than 1 receiver, one powersource you should be OK. They use this thinking on aircraft.
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Re: [Asking ChatGPT] Why would LED ligths in cargo ship is a good idea?
« Reply #27 on: 02/04/2023 07:22:25 »

Quote from: Petrochemicals on 01/04/2023 23:38:09
The key to GPS reliability is multiple obsolesance
Yes, it sometimes feels that way.

Quote from: Petrochemicals on 01/04/2023 23:38:09
They use this thinking on aircraft.
.....and still it fails! I've had 3 dual-system fails to date on final approach, I've lost count of the en-route dropouts, and almost every day there are published NOTAMS of local blackouts and jamming exercises.

AFAIK the stars have been in pretty much the same position for a few billion years and compass variations are plotted on navigational charts. The advantage of a plane is that you can fly above the clouds to see the stars, and you can (eventually) stop or slow down a ship.

The story goes that sun sights were invented by an American captain who, rather than run aground,  hove to in the Bristol Channel for two days in fog until he could see something, and the only something was a brief glimpse of the sun. Not sure what he was carrying, but presumably we must apologise for using sextants if he was a slave trader.
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Re: [Asking ChatGPT] Why would LED ligths in cargo ship is a good idea?
« Reply #28 on: 02/04/2023 07:32:57 »
The best definition I know of intelligence is "the ability to surprise".

Well ChatGPT has certainly come up with a surprisingly stupid suggestion here, but that doesn't justify its use or existence.


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Re: [Asking ChatGPT] Why would LED ligths in cargo ship is a good idea?
« Reply #29 on: 02/04/2023 11:09:46 »
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AFAIK the stars have been in pretty much the same position for a few billion years
A slight exaggeration there.

Edmund Halley, studying an ancient star chart noticed that some bright stars were out of position by about half a degree (the width of the full Moon).
- No self-respecting astronomer would make a mistake like this
- We now know that these stars are bright because they are fairly close to the Sun
- And because they are close, they tend to move across the sky fairly quickly - so called "Proper Motion"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proper_motion#History

The Gaia spacecraft is measuring the proper motion of stars with extreme accuracy, and has detected streams of stars that are connected by their similar trajectory, and are probably remnants of small galaxies swallowed by the Milky Way.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaia_(spacecraft)
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Re: [Asking ChatGPT] Why would LED ligths in cargo ship is a good idea?
« Reply #30 on: 02/04/2023 13:15:56 »
Asking a 10 year old kid "Why would LED ligths in cargo ship is a good idea?" would be interesting that it would give you an insight into the child's worldview.
But it wouldn't tell you much about ship lighting.

The same is pretty much true of asking a chatbot.
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Re: [Asking ChatGPT] Why would LED ligths in cargo ship is a good idea?
« Reply #31 on: 02/04/2023 14:49:14 »
Quote from: evan_au on 02/04/2023 11:09:46
Quote from: alancalverd
AFAIK the stars have been in pretty much the same position for a few billion years
A slight exaggeration there.
Note the qualifying "pretty much". As far as terrestrial navigation is concerned, any journey lasting less than a human lifetime can be adequately navigated by looking upwards at night.

A family friend delighted in finding Cologne (Koln) with sufficient precision to jettison the chemical toilet there every night on the way home from Hamburg, Schweinfurt, Hannover.... "Never mind the flak damage, lad, you will be charged with the loss of toilets, chemical, one, aircrew for the use of, to the enemy."
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