[trevorjohnson32 (OP)]

As I have said previously if earth's gravity was sufficient to shift part of the light from the sun to blue then why is it not all blue? The op appears to be immune to reason.

When you look up at the sky your looking through miles of blueshift, it isn't noticeable locally. Apparently it requires an atmosphere to reflect the light as well.

[Kryptid]

Is the sky black on the moon because there is no atmosphere to create Raleigh scattering?

Yep.

When you look up at the sky your looking through miles of blueshift, it isn't noticeable locally.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravitational_redshift

Navigational signals from GPS satellites orbiting at 20,000 km altitude are perceived blueshifted by approximately 0.5 ppb or 5 ? 10−10,[10] corresponding to a (negligible) increase of less than 1 Hz in the frequency of a 1.5 GHz GPS radio signal

So a red photon with a wavelength of 750 nanometers would be blue-shifted to 749.999999625 nanometers. That's still roughly comparable to the Doppler blue-shift of a person jogging. So looking through miles of blue-shift still doesn't work.

[trevorjohnson32 (OP)]

I wonder what percentage the speed of light the earth's gravity field is equivalent to? that would determine the percentage of blueshift not your gps nonsense. I guess another logical route is that blueshift is only visible when it reflects off of matter, sort of like all light.

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Evidentally the sun looks blueshifted in this picture

[Kryptid]

not your gps nonsense.

Explain how it is "nonsense".

Evidentally the sun looks blueshifted in this picture

Maybe to your eyes, but when I put the image in to paint program (Paint.NET, to be specific) and checked the RGB values of the Sun, it gives me results where the red, green and blue values are all equal or close to equal (ranging from 243 to 248). So if it looks blue-shifted to you, then it's just an illusion.

[trevorjohnson32 (OP)]

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[trevorjohnson32 (OP)]

clearly blue shifted in this one and several others.

[trevorjohnson32 (OP)]

I think what's more interesting then arguing over what the color blue is, something the naked genius's might have learned in 12 year college, anyways what's more interseting is the sun is near the horizon in these pictures and still remains blue. Looks like the explanation for the sunset is more complicated then I thought.

[Kryptid]

clearly blue shifted in this one and several others.

No, it's not. Look at the attachment I have added to this post. That is the color of the Sun in that second image. That is a pale yellow-white, not blue.

And before you go running off to find other pictures of the Sun, you need to remember that not all images have their colors calibrated the same way. Comparing one to another is like comparing apples with oranges.

anyways what's more interseting is the sun is near the horizon in these pictures and still remains blue.

Firstly, it's not blue. Secondly, the Sun doesn't change color near the horizon on the Moon because there is no atmosphere there.

I'm still waiting for you to tell me what is "nonsense" about the blue shift numbers that have been provided. Give us a legitimate answer.

[trevorjohnson32 (OP)]

sorry not buying it

[Kryptid]

Then you are not interested in actually having a discussion with proper rebuttals. You are just here to troll, are you not?

[Bored chemist]

Looks like the explanation for the sunset is more complicated then I thought.

It just looks like you are wrong- as usual.

[Bored chemist]

sorry not buying it

There are three reasons for not "buying" reality.
Stupidity, insanity or dishonesty; and they are not mutually exclusive.
Calling you a troll is the least impolite.

[alancalverd]

There are three reasons for not "buying" reality.
Stupidity, insanity or dishonesty;

Or sticking with the consensus.

Textbooks written within living memory (mine) referred to the aether, and time was that 100% of the population knew with absolute certainty that the sun went round the flat earth when it wasn't shining from the Pope's anus.

[Bored chemist]

There are three reasons for not "buying" reality.
Stupidity, insanity or dishonesty;

Or sticking with the consensus.

Textbooks written within living memory (mine) referred to the aether, and time was that 100% of the population knew with absolute certainty that the sun went round the flat earth when it wasn't shining from the Pope's anus.

I'd have said that sticking with the consensus rather than with the evidence was an example of stupidity.
Your view may differ.

[alancalverd]

I'd have said that sticking with the consensus rather than with the evidence was an example of stupidity.

Or, in the case of Bruno, Galileo,...... Einstein....., ......self-preservation. A prophet is not without honor, save in his own country and among his own people.

The one thing we know about consensus is that stupid people believe it, and the stronger the consensus, the greater the number of stupid people.

[Bored chemist]

Or, in the case of Bruno, Galileo,...... Einstein....., ......self-preservation.

I'm fairly sure they are best known for not sticking with the consensus.

[trevorjohnson32 (OP)]

For light and all EMR, the source of the wave must be heating up and cooling off at the frequency of the wave. The retraction and expansion of the magnetic field unto the electric shell that occurs when light waves hit an atom cause the color of a substance. The color frequency of the atom is created by this retraction and expansion. If you think of bright light that hits an atom in waves of temperature changes, the atom?s electomagnetic shell has an inherent strength that alters the wavelength and reflects in a new frequency.

[trevorjohnson32 (OP)]

One might compare different light waves to different sized gears. For example if you put a rock on a record player the same energy that creates oscillations of the rock towards the center is the same energy used to create the oscillations of the rock at the outside. The energy is the same but the oscillations different. The rock and its oscillations determine the color the electromagnetic field of an atom displays. Moving the rock happens because of the electromagnetic shell strength.

[paul cotter]

WTF??

[trevorjohnson32 (OP)]

So when you have enough infrared heat you get all the colors mixed in white light. When the wave of light enters an atom's magnetic field, the field retracts, then expands after the temperature change of the wave. If the expansion is slow, and isn't in equilibrium with the frequency of the white light, the mismatch will alter the wavelength of the white light as it bounces off of the electromagnetic shell. A mixture of colors, like red yellow and blue to make brown, maybe an equilibrium of multiple expansion rates from the mismatch. Evidently gold which is the best conductor might be most efficient at letting energy pass through it because of the rate at which it expands and retracts is divided between three colors.