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Re: Where do I get my confidence to challenge established theories?
« Reply #80 on: 20/05/2024 11:43:52 »
The questions listed above are some of the most important unsolved problems known to humanity, which have long been overdue.

Perhaps not many people are willing to spend their precious time trying to solve them. It might be caused by mediocre mindset. They think if they can solve those problems, someone else smarter than them who are more familiar with the problems must have solved them first, so why bother? Thus, solving those problems requires us to first overcome that mediocre mindset barrier. Only then we are willing to spend our time and effort to look for the solutions.

Some other people are not interested in the problems because they don't think that they have direct impact to their lives, so they just do their business as usual. Those thoughts must have reduced the number of potential solvers.
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Re: Where do I get my confidence to challenge established theories?
« Reply #81 on: 20/05/2024 23:44:47 »
he thoughts of a very mediocre mind:

A lot of what you call unsolved problems are not problems but misunderstandings.

It's no big deal that some folk don't know the difference between diffraction and interference. At least anyone who has studied a bit of physics can use a Huygens construction to predict what you see.

There is no twin paradox, only a dogmatic reluctance to accept that classical mechanics is just a limiting case of relativistic mechanics. 

Why should gravity and electromagnetism be related at all?

Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 18/05/2024 22:01:24
what is the universal terminal goal?
Wrong starting point. Why assume that there is or should be one?  Anyway, ΔS > 0, whatever.


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there are still persistent disagreements among philosophers.
without which, there would be no work for philosophers. Ethics and morality are human constructs, and change with time. Hardly worth the attention of a scientist, though it pays to know what is currently acceptable.

The goal of any machine is determined by its creator. The only problem with AI is determining exactly who is legally liable for its output, and that will be resolved by a decision in a court of law.
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Re: Where do I get my confidence to challenge established theories?
« Reply #82 on: 21/05/2024 10:15:16 »
Quote from: alancalverd on 20/05/2024 23:44:47
A lot of what you call unsolved problems are not problems but misunderstandings.
A lot of problems are caused by misunderstanding or miscommunication.
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Re: Where do I get my confidence to challenge established theories?
« Reply #83 on: 21/05/2024 10:16:37 »
Quote from: alancalverd on 20/05/2024 23:44:47
At least anyone who has studied a bit of physics can use a Huygens construction to predict what you see.
Huygens construction can't explain blocking mechanism nor non-diffractive edges.
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Re: Where do I get my confidence to challenge established theories?
« Reply #84 on: 21/05/2024 10:17:45 »
Quote from: alancalverd on 20/05/2024 23:44:47
Why should gravity and electromagnetism be related at all?
Why should they be separated instead?
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Re: Where do I get my confidence to challenge established theories?
« Reply #85 on: 21/05/2024 11:16:46 »
Quote from: alancalverd on 20/05/2024 23:44:47
Wrong starting point. Why assume that there is or should be one?  Anyway, ΔS > 0, whatever.

Here's why.

Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 18/05/2024 22:01:24
Researchers in AI safety is struggling with the goal alignment problem. What should entities much smarter than all of humans combined should align their goals to? Should they align their goals with us, humans who created them? Or should we humans align our goals with theirs instead?

The question can't be answered  without properly defining goal. It leads to the concept of consciousness, which also needs to be properly defined. Philosophers of the pasts have failed to reach a consensus because they haven't found workable definitions of those concepts.

You can choose to be ignorant and recuse yourself from trying to determine the universal terminal goal. But future ASI, with whatever terminal goal set to them by their developers will inevitably affect your life, or your successors, whether you like it or not.
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Re: Where do I get my confidence to challenge established theories?
« Reply #86 on: 21/05/2024 11:18:59 »
Quote from: alancalverd on 20/05/2024 23:44:47
The goal of any machine is determined by its creator. The only problem with AI is determining exactly who is legally liable for its output, and that will be resolved by a decision in a court of law.
Decisions in court of law are determined by the terminal goal set to their creation in the first place.
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« Reply #87 on: 24/05/2024 13:50:39 »
Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 20/05/2024 11:43:52
The questions listed above are some of the most important unsolved problems known to humanity, which have long been overdue.

Perhaps not many people are willing to spend their precious time trying to solve them. It might be caused by mediocre mindset. They think if they can solve those problems, someone else smarter than them who are more familiar with the problems must have solved them first, so why bother? Thus, solving those problems requires us to first overcome that mediocre mindset barrier. Only then we are willing to spend our time and effort to look for the solutions.

Some other people are not interested in the problems because they don't think that they have direct impact to their lives, so they just do their business as usual. Those thoughts must have reduced the number of potential solvers.

Doing all those things requires courage.

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Courage is knowing what not to fear.

Plato
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Re: Where do I get my confidence to challenge established theories?
« Reply #88 on: 24/05/2024 20:08:18 »
Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 21/05/2024 10:17:45
Why should they be separated instead?
Gravity only sucks. Electromagnetism can suck or blow. Qualitatively different effects imply different causes.
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Re: Where do I get my confidence to challenge established theories?
« Reply #89 on: 26/05/2024 12:22:19 »
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Why should they be separated instead?
Gravity only sucks. Electromagnetism can suck or blow. Qualitatively different effects imply different causes.
Why can't they affect one another?
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Re: Where do I get my confidence to challenge established theories?
« Reply #90 on: 26/05/2024 16:47:55 »
We observe that they do, exactly as predicted by Einstein. 

Science isn't about asking why, but how and how much (spacetime curvature).
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Re: Where do I get my confidence to challenge established theories?
« Reply #91 on: 27/05/2024 13:19:11 »
Quote from: alancalverd on 20/05/2024 23:44:47
Why should gravity and electromagnetism be related at all?
Quote from: alancalverd on 26/05/2024 16:47:55
We observe that they do, exactly as predicted by Einstein. 

Science isn't about asking why, but how and how much (spacetime curvature).
It looks like you've answered your own question.
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Re: Where do I get my confidence to challenge established theories?
« Reply #92 on: 28/05/2024 08:40:39 »
The question was yours. You asked why can't they affect each other, and I pointed out that gravity certainly does affect em radiation, wholly predictably, but it doesn't imply that they are in any way similar or related.
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« Reply #93 on: 01/06/2024 16:05:27 »
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The question was yours. You asked why can't they affect each other, and I pointed out that gravity certainly does affect em radiation, wholly predictably, but it doesn't imply that they are in any way similar or related.
Don't you realize that causation is a subset of relationship?
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« Reply #94 on: 01/06/2024 20:19:46 »
Water will extinguish a fire, does that mean they are in the same category? No.
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Re: Where do I get my confidence to challenge established theories?
« Reply #95 on: 01/06/2024 22:25:31 »
Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 01/06/2024 16:05:27
Don't you realize that causation is a subset of relationship?
Whilst that superficial categorisation might impress a philosopher, science is about things that matter.
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« Reply #96 on: 03/06/2024 10:49:42 »
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Water will extinguish a fire, does that mean they are in the same category? No.
How does it relate to one of my statement? Which one exactly?
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« Reply #97 on: 03/06/2024 10:52:29 »
Quote from: alancalverd on 01/06/2024 22:25:31
Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 01/06/2024 16:05:27
Don't you realize that causation is a subset of relationship?
Whilst that superficial categorisation might impress a philosopher, science is about things that matter.
If you let fundamental errors unaddressed, you'll risk further miscommunications in the future.
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Re: Where do I get my confidence to challenge established theories?
« Reply #98 on: 03/06/2024 11:08:31 »
#94 replies to #93.
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« Reply #99 on: 03/06/2024 15:45:01 »
Quote from: paul cotter on 01/06/2024 20:19:46
Water will extinguish a fire, does that mean they are in the same category? No.
They are both elements in ancient natural philosophy in some regions.
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