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Besides humans, what animals are raised by both parents?

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Besides humans, what animals are raised by both parents?
« on: 09/03/2024 14:26:53 »
Beavers?
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Re: Besides humans, what animals are raised by both parents?
« Reply #1 on: 10/03/2024 00:15:21 »
The male role in parenting varies from 100% (some fish), 50% (most birds) to zero (e.g. polar bears) via all sorts of intermediates such as a sole alpha male (some deer, chickens) and collaborative tribal education (social apes, dolphins, rodents).

Sadly, the number of humans with two active parents seems to be declining.
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Re: Besides humans, what animals are raised by both parents?
« Reply #2 on: 10/03/2024 15:34:45 »
Quote from: alancalverd on 10/03/2024 00:15:21
Sadly, the number of humans with two active parents seems to be declining.
True, but I think we still have a better record than all other animals. And even when our parents divorce, most of us are still raised by them, just not simultaneously.
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Re: Besides humans, what animals are raised by both parents?
« Reply #3 on: 10/03/2024 16:51:42 »
Depends on what you mean by "better". We generally make the best of a bad job as young humans are, frankly, useless for longer than any other species, and even adults are almost incapable of surviving by themselves. Practically every other species can feed and defend itself within a year of birth, and among those that rely on a protective herd, only the strongest and most capable males get to reproduce. Humans, on the other hand, invent spurious careers like politics and religion so that the defective spawn of weak idiots can earn a living as parasites. 
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Re: Besides humans, what animals are raised by both parents?
« Reply #4 on: 11/03/2024 17:37:29 »
& then there are Orphans & Foundlings/Waifs!

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Re: Besides humans, what animals are raised by both parents?
« Reply #5 on: 11/03/2024 18:00:58 »
And some African birds have 3 parents, one female, one biological father, one adopted father.
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Re: Besides humans, what animals are raised by both parents?
« Reply #6 on: 13/03/2024 20:00:39 »
Quote from: alancalverd on 10/03/2024 16:51:42
Depends on what you mean by "better". We generally make the best of a bad job as young humans are, frankly, useless for longer than any other species, and even adults are almost incapable of surviving by themselves. Practically every other species can feed and defend itself within a year of birth, and among those that rely on a protective herd, only the strongest and most capable males get to reproduce. Humans, on the other hand, invent spurious careers like politics and religion so that the defective spawn of weak idiots can earn a living as parasites.
Yes, but the reason non-human animals don't have politics, religious beliefs, ect., is because their brains are not equipped for them. Unlike us, their attention is not focused on external events or themselves (looking into a mirror and recognizing their own spitting image). They don't have the ability to mull over things like life after death, creation, meaning of life, finances, stuff like that.
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Re: Besides humans, what animals are raised by both parents?
« Reply #7 on: 13/03/2024 23:13:36 »
You must be the only person who knows that. Nobody else has communicated with another species to the extent of knowing what they don't think. But utter gullibility and the ability to set rational thought aside does seem to be a particular strength of humans, if not unique to us.
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Re: Besides humans, what animals are raised by both parents?
« Reply #8 on: 15/03/2024 14:09:45 »
Quote from: alancalverd on 13/03/2024 23:13:36
But utter gullibility and the ability to set rational thought aside does seem to be a particular strength of humans, if not unique to us.
Every second countless non-human animals lose their lives due to gullibility and hubris.
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Re: Besides humans, what animals are raised by both parents?
« Reply #9 on: 15/03/2024 17:54:47 »
I haven't seen any nonhuman predator persuading its prey to lose its life for God or Mother Russia. Effective camouflage  or ambush aren't the same as reliance on gullibility, and even a pitcher plant at least offers a tangible inducement.
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