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I would also point out that (still assuming a normal distribution) my percentile for zinc RBC was 6%. This is high enough for the Dr to tell my that my zinc levels are fine, but if you think about it for a minute this is a catastrophe. A yound athletic male in his 20s having less zinc than 94% of the population used by the lab to make the normal range.
John, I forgot, does milk still affect you?
Quotelow pregnenolone can cause a lot of cognition problems, immune responses, fatigue, etc. Yes, that's what I think but not tested yet.Have you some articles about pregnenolone and immune system?
low pregnenolone can cause a lot of cognition problems, immune responses, fatigue, etc.
Quote from: Looking_for_answer on 28/03/2010 05:58:04I would also point out that (still assuming a normal distribution) my percentile for zinc RBC was 6%. This is high enough for the Dr to tell my that my zinc levels are fine, but if you think about it for a minute this is a catastrophe. A yound athletic male in his 20s having less zinc than 94% of the population used by the lab to make the normal range. Yea man, doctors will only admit there is a problem if you are COMPLETELY out of range in a blood test. This goes especially for hormonal levels. The level of testosterone is like 200 - 800. So if your @ 205 they consider you normal, but you are def not at your OPTIMAL level of function.
Looking_for_answers,Sorry, I wasn't here when you were here before. How long does it take to get to your level of understanding of the system?As you say, it must be very important to be able to evaluate what a doctor is telling you, you assume that he knows what he is talking about. I could take all of the tests in the world, and let them tell me what's wrong, but it seems that even they don't really know how to interpret things.So it's even more difficult than I was thinking, to hire someone to tell us what tests to take, but finding someone to interpret them and provide a therapy even more difficult.Pretty frustrating. We almost have to become our own doctors. Sigh!
Yea man, doctors will only admit there is a problem if you are COMPLETELY out of range in a blood test. This goes especially for hormonal levels. The level of testosterone is like 200 - 800. So if your @ 205 they consider you normal, but you are def not at your OPTIMAL level of function.
Quote from: daveman on 28/03/2010 13:42:36Looking_for_answers,Sorry, I wasn't here when you were here before. How long does it take to get to your level of understanding of the system?As you say, it must be very important to be able to evaluate what a doctor is telling you, you assume that he knows what he is talking about. I could take all of the tests in the world, and let them tell me what's wrong, but it seems that even they don't really know how to interpret things.So it's even more difficult than I was thinking, to hire someone to tell us what tests to take, but finding someone to interpret them and provide a therapy even more difficult.Pretty frustrating. We almost have to become our own doctors. Sigh!You're right, you have to be your own doctor. It's very counter productive but if your symtpoms arent fixed by statins, anti inflamatories, viagra or an anti depressant, then your on your own. I see my doctor as someone who can order the tests that I want, and hopefully write me a prescription if I decide that I want to try a med. Dont expect yout doctor to tell you the tests that you need nor to interpret the results carefully. Because their guidelines are written (or at least heavily influenced) by big pharma, so the tests that they will give you will only be geared toward what big pharma has to offer in the market right now. If the solution of your problem reside with non patentable compounds, you'll never find out about it unless you dig yourself.
Something else that could be a productive exercise, if we would all test our minerals (at least magnesium, zinc, calcium, copper, selenium) and report the result as a percentile, as I did above. Suppose that we all happen to be above 70% for copper, or below 30% for zinc, or for magnesium, then we could gain a lot of informations. As I wrote above, Adding ZMA or some mineral to your diet for a month or two and not noticing results doesnt mean much. It can be bound to phytates if you eat lots of nuts or grains, or it could not be so well absorbed. For example on top of this page someone talks about dairy intolerance, lots of people have subclinical lactose intolerance, which cause some inflammation in the bowel but they never know. thats one way not to absorb minerals. there are many others of courseIt's very reasonable to me that our body could go into a much deeper refractory period as an evolutionary mechanism to avoid depletion of something. It could be avoiding depletion of the precursors of a neurotransmetter or an hormone that is produced heavily during sexual encounters, or some ingredients of sperm, or a combination.
If we have any hope to fix this is by stepping up our game to the next level. One experiment could be if several of us would do a full hormonal, cortisol, neurotransmetters test at some point, then have a few orgasms during the next 24h and then come back for another round of the same tests. Maybe also a third round of testing 2-4 days later. We could then compare with what is predicted in the litterature and see where we overreact. I know this would be expansive, but if your insurance wont pay for it i think there are pretty good test available online (for example the life extension foundation). Neurotransmetters are hard to test, but if we each understand better the effects of serotonin, dopamine, acetylcholine, GABA, etc just by writing down how we feel for the next hours and days after orgasms, we can probably deduce a lot about how they behave.If anyone has tried or wants to try a prolactin inhibitor like the ones I suggested, and after a few weeks of abstinence try an orgasm or two to see if the response is different. But even if that was highly successful I wouldnot ignore pregnenolone.
Quote from: Looking_for_answer on 28/03/2010 18:44:53Something else that could be a productive exercise, if we would all test our minerals (at least magnesium, zinc, calcium, copper, selenium) and report the result as a percentile, as I did above. Suppose that we all happen to be above 70% for copper, or below 30% for zinc, or for magnesium, then we could gain a lot of informations. As I wrote above, Adding ZMA or some mineral to your diet for a month or two and not noticing results doesnt mean much. It can be bound to phytates if you eat lots of nuts or grains, or it could not be so well absorbed. For example on top of this page someone talks about dairy intolerance, lots of people have subclinical lactose intolerance, which cause some inflammation in the bowel but they never know. thats one way not to absorb minerals. there are many others of courseIt's very reasonable to me that our body could go into a much deeper refractory period as an evolutionary mechanism to avoid depletion of something. It could be avoiding depletion of the precursors of a neurotransmetter or an hormone that is produced heavily during sexual encounters, or some ingredients of sperm, or a combination. Looking_for, thank you! Who would we go to for mineral testing?
Quote from: Looking_for_answer on 28/03/2010 18:37:26If we have any hope to fix this is by stepping up our game to the next level. One experiment could be if several of us would do a full hormonal, cortisol, neurotransmetters test at some point, then have a few orgasms during the next 24h and then come back for another round of the same tests. Maybe also a third round of testing 2-4 days later. We could then compare with what is predicted in the litterature and see where we overreact. I know this would be expansive, but if your insurance wont pay for it i think there are pretty good test available online (for example the life extension foundation). Neurotransmetters are hard to test, but if we each understand better the effects of serotonin, dopamine, acetylcholine, GABA, etc just by writing down how we feel for the next hours and days after orgasms, we can probably deduce a lot about how they behave.If anyone has tried or wants to try a prolactin inhibitor like the ones I suggested, and after a few weeks of abstinence try an orgasm or two to see if the response is different. But even if that was highly successful I wouldnot ignore pregnenolone. I could be up for both of these... obviously not both at a time, but wouldn't have a clues as to how to enterpret the tests! You could help right?There are a couple of good urologists in Chile and likewise labs. It may be expensive, but what other way is there?For the first test it would be best just before the orgasm, and I suppose best after a good week or two of abstention? Then the second the day after and third 2-4 days later?
goingcrazy, congrats on the 5 weeks!That's really longtime for you isn't it?
Im sure there's lots that would study orgasms of pois sufferer
this guy currently (dec 09) is doing something with orgasms for example http://psychology.rutgers.edu/~brk/http://www.dintz.com/scientists-study-mental-orgasms-through-mris/