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science is full of beans and the big bang and the universe is expanding is made up . Science suffers from illusory superiority
Quote from: Thebox on 07/04/2019 12:16:01science is full of beans and the big bang and the universe is expanding is made up . Science suffers from illusory superiorityIf you don't like it, why not simply leave?
Why lie and make things up that are not true ?
Quote from: Thebox on 07/04/2019 13:41:33Why lie and make things up that are not true ?It's you who is doing that, not science.You know there's evidence showing the expansion.
I've already demonstrated Hubble doesn't show evidence of this
Quote from: Thebox on 07/04/2019 15:04:48I've already demonstrated Hubble doesn't show evidence of thisNo.You have not.You think you have but...
Quote from: Bored chemist on Today at 15:33:00Quote from: Thebox on Today at 15:04:48I've already demonstrated Hubble doesn't show evidence of thisNo.You have not.You think you have but...I don't think I have , I know I have , even highlighted in the opening post . The Hubble observes the redshift of receding objects , anything added onto that is subjective and not objective based on the evidence . Show me one shred of evidence that space or the universe itself is expanding ? You haven't got any have you other than what Hubble says and Hubble does not say space is observed to be expanding . It is quite clearly stated what Hubble says .
Quote from: Bored chemist on 07/04/2019 15:33:00Quote from: Thebox on 07/04/2019 15:04:48I've already demonstrated Hubble doesn't show evidence of thisNo.You have not.You think you have but...I don't think I have , I know I have , even highlighted in the opening post . The Hubble observes the redshift of receding objects , anything added onto that is subjective and not objective based on the evidence . Show me one shred of evidence that space or the universe itself is expanding ? You haven't got any have you other than what Hubble says and Hubble does not say space is observed to be expanding . It is quite clearly stated what Hubble says .
You have no evidence that the Universe is expanding , you have no evidence that space itself is expanding , you have evidence that observed bodies are receding away from the Earth .
Quote from: Thebox on 07/04/2019 12:16:01You have no evidence that the Universe is expanding , you have no evidence that space itself is expanding , you have evidence that observed bodies are receding away from the Earth . Would you agree they are also moving away from each other?
Quote from: Thebox on 07/04/2019 15:38:48Quote from: Bored chemist on 07/04/2019 15:33:00Quote from: Thebox on 07/04/2019 15:04:48I've already demonstrated Hubble doesn't show evidence of thisNo.You have not.You think you have but...I don't think I have , I know I have , even highlighted in the opening post . The Hubble observes the redshift of receding objects , anything added onto that is subjective and not objective based on the evidence . Show me one shred of evidence that space or the universe itself is expanding ? You haven't got any have you other than what Hubble says and Hubble does not say space is observed to be expanding . It is quite clearly stated what Hubble says . Do you really not understand that, if all the bits are moving apart, the whole thing is expanding?
Quote from: Ophiolite on 07/04/2019 20:24:45Quote from: Thebox on 07/04/2019 12:16:01You have no evidence that the Universe is expanding , you have no evidence that space itself is expanding , you have evidence that observed bodies are receding away from the Earth . Would you agree they are also moving away from each other?Yes , of course , they are definitely moving away from us and each other .
Quote from: Thebox on 07/04/2019 20:43:49Quote from: Ophiolite on 07/04/2019 20:24:45Quote from: Thebox on 07/04/2019 12:16:01You have no evidence that the Universe is expanding , you have no evidence that space itself is expanding , you have evidence that observed bodies are receding away from the Earth . Would you agree they are also moving away from each other?Yes , of course , they are definitely moving away from us and each other . When conponents of a system, in this case the universe, move away from each other, this is called expansion. On what basis are you claiming it is not expansion?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hubble%27s_lawObjects observed in deep space—extragalactic space, 10 megaparsecs (Mpc) or more—are found to have a redshift, interpreted as a relative velocity away from Earth;This Doppler shift-measured velocity of various galaxies receding from the Earth is approximately proportional to their distance from the Earth for galaxies up to a few hundred megaparsecs away.[2][3]You have no evidence that the Universe is expanding , you have no evidence that space itself is expanding , you have evidence that observed bodies are receding away from the Earth . In simple terms science is full of beans and the big bang and the universe is expanding is made up . Science suffers from illusory superiority , they think we are all stupid and naïve , It is the other way around.
On the basis of semantics
Now luckily I've been at this for a very long time and I have the ''fix'' .
All you have to do is agree space is fixed and immovable and time is expanding into space . Time is indistinguishable from space but is independent of space . Time is a quantifiable measurement directly proportional to aging , I can demonstrate this . Everything is time and beyond time is absolute space , time is expanding into absolute space and time has mass and density .
Quote from: Bored chemist on 07/04/2019 13:38:53Quote from: Thebox on 07/04/2019 12:16:01science is full of beans and the big bang and the universe is expanding is made up . Science suffers from illusory superiorityIf you don't like it, why not simply leave?I have a problem with I have to correct fools and naïve people , I can't leave why science keeps lying to the world . You do not understand what science is.It is a self correcting system that keeps on pointing towards the truth and illiminates untruths. Like eddison said he found 200 ways to not make the light bulb.The big bang, dark matter, dark energy. These are things that are on the edge of science. Things, that need a heck of lot more verification to be considered absolute fact. BUt never the less, based on the evidence at hand these thoeries best descibe the data we recieve. This does not mean these ideas are true. Just that if you have to believe something, its best to go with what the science says. Now if you go with something like gravity, or quantum mechanics, or climate change and evolution. These theories have so much evidence, based on decades or centuries of evidence that they might as well be considered certain.A scienticfic thoery is accurate based on the amount of testing and evidence supporting it. A scientists knows this fact. so you are not going to give good credit to a health study that studied 200 people eating eggs, as opposed to tens of thousands of experiments that validat quantum mechanics thoery. And even if the theory of quantum mechanics proved to be false in the future. The theory now can predict to 19 decimals places. And so even if in acuurate to 20+ decimals places, we can still use it.Basically. If you want to know the best possible truth. Science is and will always be the best tool to get it.Why lie and make things up that are not true ? Religion does that so why is science doing the same for all these years?