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quote:Originally posted by another_someonequote:Originally posted by neilepWould you consider people who are vulnerable and gullible in the same group.Trying to work out what this means within the context of my hypothesis.It was just a question that perhaps a similar theory could be presented that the gullible and vulnerable may also have a propensity to addiction...along with people who easily fall in love.....as they may easily succumb to dependency on drugs and succumb to love also.quote:Personally I don't subscribe to it ...What I mean is,It's not your theory I don't subscribe to (I'm all ears) but that I am one of those people who have fallen in love very very easily on more than one occasion...but I consider myself in every other aspect someone with a low propensity to addiction.tried smoking....found I could take it or leave it.....chose to leave it...same with alcohol...not bothered !Yes..shock horror have tried recreational drugs....no joy there (to try and help me sleep)....perhaps I have just not found my addiction yet !....perhaps evertyone here is capable of becoming addicted to something !I think the current tendency is to believe that some people have a stronger propensity for getting addicted to anything, and that this trait is not substance specific (although there may be other variables that might make the application of that addiction more likely to be triggered by a particular substance).I am sure the tendency that some people have a stronger propensity to addiction has always been there. Perhaps nowadays it's just being recognised. Certainly I can well believe that there may be extraneous factors intrinsic to the onset of an addiction.That you say you have fallen in love very easily on more than one occasion leaves to to ask, possibly somewhat indelicately, did you also fall out of love as easily? That you could fall in love easily is one thing, but could you give up that love as easily as you could give up tobacco?I do not need to answer that...it's besides the point ! Your premise is that people who become addicted to substances may be prone to falling in love easier than others who are not addicted to substances. Since I am not dependent on any substance (save food and water) it's not a moot point....save for the fact that I am not addicted ..which in itself my be statistical anomaly then !quote:This is fascinating !...would you care to elaborate ?OK, I'll go through the thought process that lead to this conclusion.If one accepts the premise that there is such a thing as an addictive personality type, and that this is an inheritable trait (what I understand is that this is the current thinking on the matter), then why should this be so?What happens when this current thinking goes out of fashion ? When you say addictive personality types , do you specifically mean drugs ?..Before a junkie has his/her first fix are they addicted ?..I am just wondering what is it that triggers the addiction in the addictive personalty save the psychological or biological dependency after they have had their first few hits. Of course there are other types of addictions ...food...dancing..Internet forums..adrenalin junkies etc I wonder if a person can go through life without their propensity to addiction ever materialisingFor an inheritable trait to survive, then it would imply that there are some situations in which that trait may be of benefit to the species. Since, on the most obvious level, addictive personality types are at a disadvantage, so in what context might it be an advantage.We all have inheritable traits, many are so subtle that they can barely be recognised until a very specific event occurs for the trait to be displayed. I agree that addictive personality types may be vulnerable to disadvantage.Clearly, it is possible to argue that even deleterious genetic traits will continue to survive within a species, but they will only survive at a very low level (we don't see a massive number of haemophiliacs being born, yet we do seem to see a large number of people with a propensity for addiction being born – why so?).Clearly, the human genome was not evolved to deal with concentrated opiates, or regular supplies of concentrated alcohol – so it is clear that addiction to these substances is just an unfortunate modern manifestation of something that historically must have had some other purpose.I'm not disagreeing..I find this fascinating George...But would not the fact that for thousands of years people have been getting drunk and getting high have an effect on the human genome ?..I don't know...but I expect the answer is no then.So the question is, what primitive (in the sense of being common throughout human history, from the earliest days) human behaviour might be similar to addiction, and yet may be beneficial to the species?The answer that came to mind was love. In its most obsessive form, love can show many of the manifestations of any addiction. Ofcourse, love can come in both sexual and platonic forms, and I am still undecided the degree to which each of these fit the requirements. Sexual love has the added benefit the sexual act releases endorphins, which can themselves lead to addiction (this is also a case that excessive exercise can cause the release of endorphins, and can also be addictive).Do you think the same might apply to people with a proclivity for the darker side of things ?..people who enjoy the sadistic qualities of life ?...who may dwell on hate !..or to confuse the issue the Love of hate !! ?Thank you George ...very interesting stuff.George
quote:Originally posted by neilepWould you consider people who are vulnerable and gullible in the same group.
quote:Personally I don't subscribe to it ...What I mean is,It's not your theory I don't subscribe to (I'm all ears) but that I am one of those people who have fallen in love very very easily on more than one occasion...but I consider myself in every other aspect someone with a low propensity to addiction.tried smoking....found I could take it or leave it.....chose to leave it...same with alcohol...not bothered !Yes..shock horror have tried recreational drugs....no joy there (to try and help me sleep)....perhaps I have just not found my addiction yet !....perhaps evertyone here is capable of becoming addicted to something !
quote:This is fascinating !...would you care to elaborate ?
quote:Originally posted by neilepIt was just a question that perhaps a similar theory could be presented that the gullible and vulnerable may also have a propensity to addiction...along with people who easily fall in love.....as they may easily succumb to dependency on drugs and succumb to love also.
quote:quote:That you say you have fallen in love very easily on more than one occasion leaves to to ask, possibly somewhat indelicately, did you also fall out of love as easily? That you could fall in love easily is one thing, but could you give up that love as easily as you could give up tobacco?I do not need to answer that...it's besides the point ! Your premise is that people who become addicted to substances may be prone to falling in love easier than others who are not addicted to substances. Since I am not dependent on any substance (save food and water) it's not a moot point....save for the fact that I am not addicted ..which in itself my be statistical anomaly then !
quote:That you say you have fallen in love very easily on more than one occasion leaves to to ask, possibly somewhat indelicately, did you also fall out of love as easily? That you could fall in love easily is one thing, but could you give up that love as easily as you could give up tobacco?
quote:quote:If one accepts the premise that there is such a thing as an addictive personality type, and that this is an inheritable trait (what I understand is that this is the current thinking on the matter), then why should this be so?What happens when this current thinking goes out of fashion ?
quote:If one accepts the premise that there is such a thing as an addictive personality type, and that this is an inheritable trait (what I understand is that this is the current thinking on the matter), then why should this be so?
quote:When you say addictive personality types , do you specifically mean drugs ?
quote:Before a junkie has his/her first fix are they addicted ?
quote:.I'm not disagreeing..I find this fascinating George...But would not the fact that for thousands of years people have been getting drunk and getting high have an effect on the human genome ?..I don't know...but I expect the answer is no then
quote:Do you think the same might apply to people with a proclivity for the darker side of things ?..people who enjoy the sadistic qualities of life ?...who may dwell on hate !..or to confuse the issue the Love of hate !! ?
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