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Well, in electronics if your model stuck at a single point, and you can't find a bypass, then you have to start your model from zero.
As we don't afraid, why do we insist to reject this observation?
Please be aware that it is stated that they may find areas that are even hotter than quasar 3C273:
So, if we discuss about accuracy or reliability it might be lower temp but also higher temp.
In the future, scientists will have a future X-ray observatory. This is called the X-ray Imaging and Spectroscopy Mission (XRISM).Both will help scientists measure high-temperature gases in space more accurately. When this tool is developed, the exact temperature of quasar 3C273 will probably be known.?I think it?s fair to say that right now, the tools we have for understanding the temperature of the material around supermassive black holes are limited but will also be expanding rapidly,? Palumbo concluded.
its brightness temperature
(1) We are talking about the methodology of science, not designing electronics,(2) We don't know if the quasar really is that hot or not, and(3) Even if it is that hot, we may be able to find a bypass with some tweaks to the model. Only time will tell....Since XRISM launched literally a few days ago, it seems that we will just have to watch and wait to see if the initial high temperature measurements are confirmed or not.
In science, when you get extraordinary results, you need to confirm them. That's why people weren't automatically accepting the claim that LK99 was a room temperature superconductor. They went and tried to replicate the findings. That's how science is supposed to work.
2. Based on 2022 observation - incredibly powerful jets of plasma escapes at nearly the speed of light and extends hundreds of thousands of light-years beyond the host galaxy.I hope that at least we all accept this updated observation from 2022.
What kind of energy can set that incredibly powerful jets of plasma (that might be very hot)?Can we agree that it is not gravity?
1. Based on 2016 observation - The temp of the quasar is 10^13K.
Quote from: Dave Lev on 09/09/2023 20:26:591. Based on 2016 observation - The temp of the quasar is 10^13K. NoBased on 2016 observation - The brightness temperature of the quasar is 10^13KDo you know that an LED lamp with a colour temperature of 5000K is not actually at 5000K?Well why on earth do you think that a quasar with a brightness temperature of 10^13K must be at 10^13K?
In the following article it is stated that:https://www.popularmechanics.com/space/deep-space/a20351/quasar-temperature/"the latest measurements made possible by Spektr-R show that some mysterious mechanism brings the effective temperature at the core of the quasar to a seemingly impossible range from 20 to 40 trillion degrees?at least 10 times above the theoretical ceiling. And this particular quasar may not even be the most intense."
We are well aware that quasars have powerful beams and that they are very hot.
QuoteQuote from: Dave Lev on Yesterday at 20:26:59What kind of energy can set that incredibly powerful jets of plasma (that might be very hot)?Can we agree that it is not gravity?No. It is probably due to the gravity and the magnetic field of the black hole.
Quote from: Dave Lev on Yesterday at 20:26:59What kind of energy can set that incredibly powerful jets of plasma (that might be very hot)?Can we agree that it is not gravity?
and the magnetic field of the black hole.
What is the meaning of effective temperature?Is it the brightness temperature or the actually temperature?
If we are well aware, why it has been a long-standing mystery?
Is it?
Why do you insist on gravity while the jet continues well beyond the area where the black hole's gravity dominates?
Do you think that the quasar generates its own magnetic fields?Any Idea how that quasar' magnetic fields is created?Could it be that your message about the quasar' magnetic field would help to solve the long-standing mystery and for unravelling the inner workings of jets?
Quote from: Dave Lev on 10/09/2023 05:59:20If we are well aware, why it has been a long-standing mystery?Because knowing that something happens is not the same as knowing why it happens.
Quote from: Dave Lev on 10/09/2023 05:59:20Why do you insist on gravity while the jet continues well beyond the area where the black hole's gravity dominates?Because jets are associated with a massive object and in general the largest jets come from most massive objects.
Quote from: Dave Lev on 10/09/2023 05:59:20Do you think that the quasar generates its own magnetic fields?Any Idea how quasar' magnetic fields is created?The magnetic field comes from the blackhole and the associate accretion disk.
Do you think that the quasar generates its own magnetic fields?Any Idea how quasar' magnetic fields is created?
We have entered supermassive black hole and magnetic field territory. I fear that we may stray dangerously close to locked thread material...
Quote from: Dave Lev on 07/09/2023 17:46:25Are they afraid to find that there is a problem in their current theories??No.
Did I say something that contradicts any science law?
Do you confirm that the science community clearly know the full activity of the quasar,
If so, why those scientists are not seeking for help
So, why do you insist to stop the discussion on real science
Quote from: Dave Lev on 11/09/2023 06:44:17Did I say something that contradicts any science law?Not yet, but I'm concerned that you will. I shall watch and wait.
Why the jet is always ejected from the direction of the quasar' poles?https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Estructura-de-un-AGN-Fuente-CM-Urry-and-P-Padovani_fig52_305228473Do you agree that gravity by itself should work equally in any direction?So, why it is always in the direction of the quasar magnetic poles and up to several hundred thousand of LY away?Why we can't agree that the main force that can direct this narrow jet symmetrically into the quasar poles at almost the speed of light (and also well beyond the area where the black hole's gravity dominates) is magnetic force (and only magnetic force)?
Do you agree that the mass of the Quasar/SMBH is millions or even trillions times bigger than the total mass in the accretion disc?As you claim that the magnetic field comes from the blackhole and the associate accretion disk, then which one should generate much more effective Magnetic fields?Is the SMBH itself or is it the associate accretion disk?
Do you agree that the mass of the Quasar/SMBH is millions or even trillions times bigger than the total mass in the accretion disc?
As you claim that the magnetic field comes from the blackhole and the associate accretion disk, then which one should generate much more effective Magnetic fields?
Is the SMBH itself or is it the associate accretion disk?