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Re: What is mass?
« Reply #20 on: 09/03/2021 08:27:05 »

Quote from: Dave Lev on 06/03/2021 05:47:12
We clearly see the outcome at the accretion disc of our SMBH, where the new created mass particles orbit there at almost the speed of light.
Therefore, mass particles can move almost at the speed of light and still carry mass.
Once you understand this simple issue, you can understand how our universe really works!
I'm so glad I read this drivel and now I understand how the universe really works.

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Re: What is mass?
« Reply #21 on: 10/03/2021 13:32:53 »
Two properties of mass is that mass occupies space and is resistant to motion. Energy and work is needed to make mass move. Mass, according to Einstein, cannot travel at the speed of light no matter how much energy or work we add. This will take infinite energy or work, which is not available within a finite universe.

Mass can cause space-time to contract  and when mass is given kinetic, energy, a secondary mass state called relativistic mass will appear. This is not the same as rest mass but has the same type of impact on local space-time.  A rocket ship in motion, with relativistic mass=M* cannot generate GR wth M*. If so we could never travel near c without our ship collapsing into itself like a mini black hole. M* is not the same as rest mass.

In the speed of light ground state model, mass and space-time break down at the ground state at c.  Mass cannot exist in this c-reference ground state since mass is a state that exists at higher potential and adding velocity approaching c, only makes it worse. This is not the correct direction to go.

In the model of the c ground state, space and time can act independently of each other allowing movement in time without the limits of space and movement in space without the limits of time. The point-instant view of the inertial universe, at the speed of light reference, allows for the necessary overlap in time and distance, for omnipresence and omniscience without any new laws needed.

The break down of space-time, in the ground state at c, allows for infinite entropy. Entropy is a state variable and when space and time are not connected all types of theoretical states not possible in inertial, become possible.

If you look at the Gibb's Free Energy Equation used in Physical Chemistry, which was early physics, G=H-TS, where G is the Gibb's Free Energy, H is enthalpy or internal energy, T is temperature in degrees K, and S is entropy. Entropy times temperature; ST, is a measure of energy. As such, entropy is not energy, but is more like  information. At absolute zero or 0 degree K, the infinite entropy in the c-reference cannot create free energy for an inertial universe, since multiplication by zero cancels it out even infinite entropy. It would forever remain as the information of states, but without any physical states with internal energy. It is still in the imagination of the universe, but not manifest via space-time.

So what needs to happen is we need to increase temperature, at the very least, local point, to above absolute zero.  However, temperature is defined as an artifact of matter and its connected to the degrees of freedom in its internal energy. We need substance to appear, first, so temperature can increase. Heat and temperature are stored in material substances; heat capacity. The primordial atom of the BB was a form of substance.  As it got hotter the free energy transfer accelerated; TS.

One hint on how to overcome the chicken or the egg paradox, is that mass takes up space and is resistant to motion and changes of motion. In this respect, the properties of mass is more connected to distance; space, than to time. Time is equated to changes of state. Mass without energy will take up space, but not change state, unless acted upon by energy. Mass without energy is a poor clock tick; before time. This tells me that mass can appear from only distance potential or potential in distance in the c-reference, since its core properties are not dependent on time per se. Time appears when energy acts on mass and space, allowing changes of state in space and mass, like the BB. Physics does not start the clock of the inertial until motion starts and after the singularity; good guess guys. 

Inertial reference is based on space-time, but in the ground state, space can act independent of time and this can allow for mass to appear, before energy; space-time, and time. Let me give a loose analogy of this odd state in action. Say we had a microscope and we zoom in. What we will see are distance reference changes; bacteria become the size of elephants, but the flow of time does not change. The clock on my computer attached to the microscope runs the same. I take lunch with my friends at the same time, even though they do not use microscopes. This is not the same as relativistic reference change, since it is based on space, but not space-time. There will be no red or blue shift of any energy quanta, as we zoom in or out, but we will see what appears to be the microscopic universe, expand. I call this distance potential.

We can add separated time, in a similar second step. Say we use our microscope again, but this time we film the zoom and place it into a fixed memory; information state. Next, we play back the zoom toward that final point in expanded space. This type of time is independent of space, since we can control the speed of playback which is connected to time. We can go fast or slow and not impact the distance changes seen by the microscopic memory. We have a point interface, in space and time, but with space and time not yet integrated, since this was done via distance and time being independent. We need mass to appear, to fortify space-time.

One intermediate state could be relativistic mass. This is not the same as rest mass, that can linger as a capacitance for space-time. It cannot generate gravity or GR, so expansion of  virtual space-time is made much easier. It is virtual state between mass and energy, but with since energy needs space-time, it is closer to mass, since mass only needs distance potential; defines fixed space for time to occupy. My guess is this state will allow us to get above 0 K, so the entropy can to come to a focus; lowered entropy, releasing free energy as enthalpy; internal energy within the formed matter and energy; boom!

What this theory suggest and may appear missing in this analysis, is something had to direct this; consciousness. As an analogy and parallel is in our conscious imagination. We can manipulate space and time as separate variables via willpower and information  I can picture a bridge over the gorge. I can zoom into one of the main support structures or look at the entire bridge with my office clock never changing speed. I can also plan the logistics in time, in bulk terms or in detail terms, with each taking different amounts of time, without the bridge size changing.

Once the planning is done, and we go before the zoning board and the investors, then reality kicks in; boom? Space-time sets limiting conditions in terms of budget, scheduling and physics, some of which may not have been fully planned for; imperfect universe due to comparing separated space and time, to the needs of integrated space-time. In this case, money is like relativistic mass; virtual substance that can translate to tangible reality, in terms of material and energy. Consciousness uses the same template since the brain generates a lot of entropy.

One value of this theory is the ground state, since it generated the inertial universe, should be able to influence it further. For example, acceleration, due to force is d/t/t, or is two parts time and one part distance. Space-time is only one part distance and one part time. Acceleration has extra time added to space-time. I would call this extra time potential. Quantum jumps and tunneling contains extra distance potential. These happen without time lag. It is not space-time thing in the practical sense of integrating position and time.
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Re: What is mass?
« Reply #22 on: 10/03/2021 14:54:51 »
Quote from: puppypower on 10/03/2021 13:32:53
In the speed of light ground state model,
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