[Jolly2 (OP)]

What is a netural or natural topia?
Well first is is a Topia which sits in abalenced position within all the posible topias that there are. U- topia and dis topia are two extremes which have many varied forms, and types of expression. You for example can have a communist u-topia or a communist dis-topia, lets call them communism 1 and communism 2 you can also have dis and u topic socialism or capitalism, anarkism- even though all anakistic systems work to u-topia. 

So simply put an N- topic system would sit in the middle of all the possibles topias.   as below:   ..............

                                           
                   Communism1(Utopic) ..

.........Capitalism1(UTopic)...............
           ...............Socialism1(UTopic)

                                                               
Anarchy1(uT )  \ I /
                         N topia
                          / I \ anarchy2 (disT)
        Socialism2(disT)           
                              Capitalism2(disT) Communism2(DisT)

DisT - distopic
UT - utopic
You can add in all the systems possible- While this rather simply N-topic structure listed above it should hopefully give some indication as to how an N-topia would work.

Ofcourse you should have all the possible systems that there are included, as well as other systems that could be imagined.

Productionism, communitalism, chaosism, neo-communism, neo-fascism so on and so fourth. N-topia works by taking from each system the things which are useful and rejects the things which are not useful. By useful, I am referencing things which make society sustainable and beneficial for all members of it.

N-Topia seeks to become as sustainable as possible while giving all memebers of the society as much freedom as possible and as much life style choice as possible, in this sense if someone should want to live as a communist they could have a place provided for them with in the N-topic system. An N-topic country offers as much choice of life style to all the members as is sustainable and achieveable.

A U-topia is inherently good for some yet bad for others, which is why an N-topia seeks to offer all its members a place, rather than a one size fits all society; N-Topia seeks to give each person a place they feel more comfortable with. A multi-topic society- a netual or natural society. Of course I am still in the earily stages of writing N-topia, but I do believe that from this small post, most will glen some idea of what an N-topia would or could be like.

Related topics are Netural freedoms an extencion on Isaiah Berlins theory of negative freedom society, which I believe would not be suitable for an N-topic structure and would cause it to actually become unsustainable, which is why I propose a netural freedom society, to run in conjunction with the N-topia.

There are debates to have with regards to social structure and N-topia as satated above only deals with the societies foundation and not it's Heriarchical structure. However Following the N-Topic Theroy Power sturcture can be included in a similar form. Democracy, Monarchy, theocracy and so on. Powers asscribed and decided in socially agreed terms. To say in combining we can only combine that which has existed or can be imagined to exist, in a rational and reasonable way.

As such in N-topia it is important that the rule of law be placed over all the societies members and democracy be given to the people so that they have a voice interms of things they would like to see with-in the society,  have a say and the ablility to critic the leaders or even change them, should the leaders work against the interests of the people, society, and become unjust or acessivily selfish- for example.

This idea is as I said, a work in Progress yet I feel I have developed it surficently enought to post it. I ofcourse have not included with in this post, the living bio-logical part to the N-topic system; Which really relates to the notion that Society is a living Organism which under an N-topic system would evolve and adapt to include new systems and ideas as they emerge.   

So N- Topia:-  A Netural Freedom society. Where both negative and positive freedoms are allowed, with restrictions placed upon freedoms which are either, 1. unjust 2. could cause the society to become unsustainable.

In regards to no. 2 there are of course areas of serious debate, some freedoms if used by a majority of the populous could for example cause the society to become unsustainable, yet if a minimal amount of citizens acted in such a way, the society would not become unsustainable- Fines and licences would probably be the best course of action; To deal with such issues. Thus allowing a certain amount of the population to engage in an activity and fining others that do not follow a sustainable agreement- Fishing would be an example in this regard, unlicenced, fish could go extinct, with licences those that wish to fish would be allowed to do so in a controlled manner. 

Fine are placed upon those that act in unsustainable ways simply to prevent it's spread- should the fine be insufficient it would be increased until it is sufficient to limit the numbers to an amount that does not threaten the stability of the society.

All positive and negative freedoms in terms of thought would of course be allowed. And the rule of law used to prohibit actions and acts which were considered to be either in just or a possible causes of an unsustainable society.

Power structures Monarchy

I am a Royalist I will point out for a few reasons. 1 A king connot be just anyone, whereas a president can be. 2 a king or queen would provide a stabilizing element for the society. 3 As I also believe in democracy the king or queen as head of state would not rule as such, although I would increase the powers of a king or queen in certain areas of nation and public interest. I also believe that all people should be under the rule of law including the king or queen.  Which in of itself- calls for a "law President" who is responsible for the law in temporal terms- yet nothing else.

As such in Britain as an example you would have under this system I propose: King or Queen as head of state- A president in regards to the law- Then the houses of commons and Lord- responsible as they are today to create laws and also rule.

I would also include a  "Judge" this of course is a Jewish term for high priest. That postion would  be taken by the archbishop of canterbury, the religious authority of the land, still of course under the Queen yet with increased powers.

Point being that power sturctures can be combined following a N-topic style and seperation of powers and limitations of powers can be socially agreed upon, for all areas of the power structure.   

This would be a neturally free society, an N-topia pulling together all the different systems and working to make society as just and sustainable a place as humanly possible.

Free markets, sustainable quality markets foundation, multi markets,  Small business encouraged and big business dis-couraged- naturally would increase employment, and as all will be called to act as sustainable as possible also be highly enviromental.

An n-topic, netural freedom, communitalist, kingdom, With a quality Market, and representative parity Democracy. There should always more to add. 

But generally, N-topia moves into few areas Firstly are: Capitalism, Communism, socialism, feudalism so on. These are social ecconomic systems... Then you have power structures, like:- Monarchy, Theocracy, Democracy, Republic, Oligarchy. Ergo there is an N-topic ecconomic system and an N-topic Power structure.

But also society also has philosopical structures or better said a philosophy behind many of the structures and laws created, these can be lead by Egalitarianism, Liberialism, Progressivism, Conservativism.

N-topia again, would seek a balenced position a centerist position.

All this said N-topia is a rational system. It follows rational ideas and evidence of what can and does work, to achieve its ends of sustainablitiy, justice, and freedom.

The future is a fantasy until it arrives.

 Understanding that,  and reasonably moving forward, N-topia seeks a reasonable future, based on reasonable ideas. As such N-topia should workl to prevent any one social system or ideology taking over the whole system, and work to promote a more balenced society. 

 N-topia simply asks the question: what actually rationally works? And ignores the petty interests of rulers and groups. 

As a futher point an N-topic nation would learn from other nations, correct problems in their own nations as they saw them arise in others. A never ending experiment in a sense, where each society would learn from the others.

I post this here to give those interested in reading it an idea of what an N-topic system would look like and work to achieve.

Any suggestions? Or ideas? Critics?

[Jolly2 (OP)]

A neutral freedom would be a freedom that relies on its opposite to exist.

The positive freedom to do something that can only occur if a negative freedom is present or the contrary a negative freedom that can only exist if there is a positive to support it.

Neutral freedoms are therefore freedoms that require both negative and positive freedoms working together to exist.

[Jolly2 (OP)]

A neutral freedom would be a freedom that relies on its opposite to exist.

The positive freedom to do something that can only occur if a negative freedom is present or the contrary a negative freedom that can only exist if there is a positive to support it.

Neutral freedoms are therefore freedoms that require both negative and positive freedoms working together to exist.

Freedom of speech would be a good example.  The positive freedom to speak that has to be combined with the negative liberty "freedom from persecution".
Freedom of speech is inherently a neutral liberty.

[Jolly2 (OP)]

I have often pondered the need for a public court. Where local people can address local issue and discuss resolutions rather then going directly to a criminal court setting.

A more informal legal setting that would reduce workloads of the criminal court system

[Jolly2 (OP)]

I suppose it's the definition of centerism.

[Jolly2 (OP)]

David Graeber "the ultimate hidden truth of the world, is that it is something we make, and could just as easily make differently"

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