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Is the Higgs field, spaces conservation of energy ?

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Re: Is the Higgs field, spaces conservation of energy ?
« Reply #20 on: 03/06/2022 20:56:20 »
Quote from: Kryptid on 03/06/2022 20:08:48


Space will conserve whatever amount of energy happens to be in it

Do you consider this conserved energy to be bounded with space or free and available to move ? If your answer is the later , what is different from one volume of space compared to where the energy moved ? Why would the original position all of a sudden stop conserving energy ?
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Re: Is the Higgs field, spaces conservation of energy ?
« Reply #21 on: 03/06/2022 21:07:38 »
Quote from: Origin on 03/06/2022 19:24:46

What is a 'physical vacuum constant'?  What is a 'conserved magnitude and density function'.  It seems that you are making up terms, which is not helpful.
''The permeability of free space, μ0, is a physical constant used often in electromagnetism. It is defined to have the exact value of 4π x 10-7 N/A2 (newtons per ampere squared). It is connected to the energy stored in a magnetic field, see Hyperphysics for specific equations.'' 

''Vacuum permittivity ε0''

Both examples of a vacuum  physical constant .

Conserved magnitude is the strength of the energy conserved by the space and the density function is harder to explain , but it is how dense the zero point energy is . We obviously couldn't use the m/V=P density because we haven't established this far whether the conserved energy has mass .
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Re: Is the Higgs field, spaces conservation of energy ?
« Reply #22 on: 03/06/2022 22:11:06 »
Quote from: Armad on 03/06/2022 20:56:20
Do you consider this conserved energy to be bounded with space or free and available to move ?

It's free to move.

Quote from: Armad on 03/06/2022 20:56:20
If your answer is the later , what is different from one volume of space compared to where the energy moved ?

That depends. Space near an object with mass is different than far away from mass because of distortion caused by a gravitational field.

Quote from: Armad on 03/06/2022 20:56:20
Why would the original position all of a sudden stop conserving energy ?

I never said that it would.

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we haven't established this far whether the conserved energy has mass .

We know from mass-energy equivalence that it would.
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Re: Is the Higgs field, spaces conservation of energy ?
« Reply #23 on: 03/06/2022 22:18:55 »
Quote from: Kryptid on 03/06/2022 22:11:06


It's free to move.



I never said that it would.



How can conserved energy be free to move if the original position never stops conserving energy ?

Wouldn't the original positions conservation of energy only allow for excess energy to move freely ?

Wouldn't any position always retain  x amount of bounded energy that was always conserved ?



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Re: Is the Higgs field, spaces conservation of energy ?
« Reply #24 on: 03/06/2022 22:41:00 »
Quote from: Armad on 03/06/2022 22:18:55
How can conserved energy be free to move if the original position never stops conserving energy ?

Because that isn't how energy conservation works.

Quote from: Armad on 03/06/2022 22:18:55
Wouldn't the original positions conservation of energy only allow for excess energy to move freely ?

Nope.

Quote from: Armad on 03/06/2022 22:18:55
Wouldn't any position always retain  x amount of bounded energy that was always conserved ?

Nope.

Unless you are talking about vacuum energy. That's trickier to deal with. The vacuum energy content per unit of space appears to be very small.
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Re: Is the Higgs field, spaces conservation of energy ?
« Reply #25 on: 03/06/2022 23:17:34 »
Quote from: Kryptid on 03/06/2022 22:41:00

Unless you are talking about vacuum energy. That's trickier to deal with. The vacuum energy content per unit of space appears to be very small.

Exactly what I'm talking about , we are now on the same wave-length .  Is it possible that this very small amount of conserved energy is stationary ? Is it possible that a volume of this small conserved amount is stationary and uniform ? Is it possible that this small conserved amount is constant in magnitude ? Is it possible that this conserved small amount of energy that makes up a volume , can be viewed as a stationary reference frame relative to space ? Is it possible that space has a conservation of energy force that is an inherent property of space ?
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Re: Is the Higgs field, spaces conservation of energy ?
« Reply #26 on: 03/06/2022 23:23:51 »
Conservation of energy isn't caused by a force.

If we look at vacuum energy in terms of quantum vacuum fluctuations, then that energy is not stationary at all but is constantly moving.

But I guess you'll have to take your questions elsewhere, Thebox, because we've figured out it's you.
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