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Re: Could This Machine Save Malaria Victims?
« Reply #40 on: 22/05/2014 18:35:34 »
Quote from: RD on 22/05/2014 16:12:47
Quote from: profound on 22/05/2014 07:40:28
A fan was blowing on the three coils to minimized Ohmic heating
from the wires".

How "minimized" was the "Ohmic heating" ?.  The fan on my computer reduces the the temperature of the CPU chip , but it's still typically 10C above room temperature. 

Putting a thermometer in each of the test-tubes and taking regular readings would have revealed how successful the fan was.  [ IMO a water-bath would have a better idea to regulate temperature. Another idea : it may be possible to wrap current-carrying wire around the a control sample in a way which contributed any ohmic heating but had no net magnetic field ].

"Using a cooling fan solved our ohmic heating problem by
reducing an increase of 5°C to less than 1°C. However, the design needs to be improved to
reduce further temperature variance between samples..."
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« Reply #41 on: 22/05/2014 19:47:57 »
Quote from: profound on 22/05/2014 18:35:34
"Using a cooling fan solved our ohmic heating problem by reducing an increase of 5°C to less than 1°C ... "

Above 37.5C  is a fever ... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fever#Definition

as I mentioned previously some believe the function of a fever is to inhibit parasites by creating an environment outside their optimum temperature range.   

37+5=42C is WAY outside normal human body temperature, see ...
http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/A-level_Applied_Science/Energy_Transfer_Systems/Body_Temperature#Hot
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Re: Could This Machine Save Malaria Victims?
« Reply #42 on: 23/05/2014 00:02:28 »
Quote from: RD on 22/05/2014 19:47:57
Quote from: profound on 22/05/2014 18:35:34
"Using a cooling fan solved our ohmic heating problem by reducing an increase of 5°C to less than 1°C ... "

Above 37.5C  is a fever ... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fever#Definition

as I mentioned previously some believe the function of a fever is to inhibit parasites by creating an environment outside their optimum temperature range.   

37+5=42C is WAY outside normal human body temperature, see ...
http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/A-level_Applied_Science/Energy_Transfer_Systems/Body_Temperature#Hot

"Using a cooling fan solved our ohmic heating problem by reducing an increase of 5°C to less than 1°C ...


"Using a cooling fan solved our ohmic heating problem by reducing an increase of 5°C to less than 1°C ...

"The  parasite  seems  to  be  more  sturdy  than  expected
because  group  560  (50  degrees  Celsius  for  30  minutes)  failed
to  eliminate  it  entirely.  UV  treatment  in  group  550  seems  to  be
more  effective  as  a  negative  control...
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Re: Could This Machine Save Malaria Victims?
« Reply #43 on: 23/05/2014 01:17:12 »
Quote from: profound on 23/05/2014 00:02:28
"The  parasite  seems  to  be  more  sturdy  than  expected
because  group  560  (50  degrees  Celsius  for  30  minutes)  failed
to  eliminate  it  entirely ...

Your unattributed quote confirms heating reduces parasite numbers.
If the experimental populations were 0.5C above the control for "56 hours" it could produce a measurable difference in parasite numbers, (rather any due to magnetic fields).


BTW if Dave (in the striped shirt) offers you "something for the weekend", just say no ...



Quote from: www.ftc.gov
    www.ftc.gov   »    Enforcement »    Cases and Proceedings »
    Dr. Clark Research Association, Dr. Clark Behandlungzentrum GMbH, d/b/a Dr. Clark Zentrum, and David P. Amrein ...
    Last Updated: August 28, 2012    FTC Matter/File Number: 022 3165

 August 28, 2012
PRESS RELEASE: FTC Refunds $6 Million to Consumers Who Bought Deceptively Advertised Supplements that Were Supposed to Cause Weight Loss and Treat Erectile Dysfunction
http://www.ftc.gov/enforcement/cases-proceedings/022-3165/dr-clark-research-association-dr-clark-behandlungzentrum-gmbh

Here's not-a-doctor-Dave in a white coat ...
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Re: Could This Machine Save Malaria Victims?
« Reply #44 on: 23/05/2014 12:41:19 »
Quote from: RD on 23/05/2014 01:17:12
Quote from: profound on 23/05/2014 00:02:28
"The  parasite  seems  to  be  more  sturdy  than  expected
because  group  560  (50  degrees  Celsius  for  30  minutes)  failed
to  eliminate  it  entirely ...

Your unattributed quote confirms heating reduces parasite numbers.
If the experimental populations were 0.5C above the control for "56 hours" it could produce a measurable difference in parasite numbers, (rather any due to magnetic fields).


BTW if Dave (in the striped shirt) offers you "something for the weekend", just say no ...



Quote from: www.ftc.gov
    www.ftc.gov   »    Enforcement »    Cases and Proceedings »
    Dr. Clark Research Association, Dr. Clark Behandlungzentrum GMbH, d/b/a Dr. Clark Zentrum, and David P. Amrein ...
    Last Updated: August 28, 2012    FTC Matter/File Number: 022 3165

 August 28, 2012
PRESS RELEASE: FTC Refunds $6 Million to Consumers Who Bought Deceptively Advertised Supplements that Were Supposed to Cause Weight Loss and Treat Erectile Dysfunction
http://www.ftc.gov/enforcement/cases-proceedings/022-3165/dr-clark-research-association-dr-clark-behandlungzentrum-gmbh

Here's not-a-doctor-Dave in a white coat ...


ahem...white coats are also worn by lab assistants/technicians/etc in most laboratories and engineering workshops.
In the University where I work i see them routinely in the engineering section.They stop your clothes getting dirty from the grease.

where is the stethoscope? and this lab coat has no collars.which is very very odd.
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Re: Could This Machine Save Malaria Victims?
« Reply #45 on: 23/05/2014 14:02:39 »
Quote from: profound on 23/05/2014 12:41:19
... where is the stethoscope? ...

Stethoscopes are so old-hat, syncrometers® are far superior diagnostic tools, (if they were as advertised). 

Quote from: profound on 23/05/2014 12:41:19
ahem...white coats are also worn by lab assistants/technicians/etc in most laboratories and engineering workshops...

So in your opinion the white coat makes Dave look like a lab technician, or a university employee, both of whom would have formal qualifications in science.  Whereas Dave's only "ology" is scientology.

Quote from: quackwatch.com
[Hulda Clark's] ideas are also advocated by the Dr. Clark Research Association, an entity founded in 1998 by David P. Amrein, a Scientologist who describes himself as a freelance consultant in finance and taxes.
http://www.quackwatch.com/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/Cancer/clark.html

BTW religions,  including scientology,  are exempt from paying many taxes ...

Quote from: wikipedia.org
Scientology is legally recognized as a tax-exempt religion in the United States and other countries, and the Church of Scientology emphasizes this as proof that it is a bona fide religion
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_of_Scientology#Beliefs

Of course, being an honest and decent chap, Dave is a true-believer rather than just joining for any tax-breaks or access to the scientology   sucker-list    membership database.
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Re: Could This Machine Save Malaria Victims?
« Reply #46 on: 24/05/2014 21:26:23 »
It is with great sadness that I report another victim to malaria today.
This time it was a young white women from England who had gone to help but has been
struck down in her prime by malaria.

We can only offer her condolences and hope she rests in R.I.P.

We cannot even imagine what her family must be going through...

Below is a picture of her and shows the human face of malaria victims as opposed to meaningless impersonal statistics.

"A 21-year-old British aid worker has died of malaria while working in Kenya, it has emerged.

Christi Kelly was working with the Moving Mountains UK charity in the African country to try and improve social conditions.

She was three months into a 10-month volunteer placement when she was taken ill in the western county of Siaya.

Despite being rushed to hospital, Ms Kelly, from Ilfracombe in Devon, died on Wednesday.

Ms Kelly's family said she was taking anti-malaria tablets.


About 2,000 Britons are infected with malaria every year while abroad...."

http://i1.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article3602860.ece/alternates/s615/PAY--Christi-Kelly.jpg

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/british-aid-worker-aged-21-3602920

 Experts said anti-malaria drugs have to be specific to the region the traveller is visiting as some tablets are not effective in certain places.

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
The Telegraph has more details:-

Dr Colin Berry, of Cardiff University School of Biosciences, said: “Most malarial deaths occur in Sub Saharan Africa and most of them are children under the age of five.

“Africa is a particularly bad place for malaria. There are effective drugs but there are resistant parasites.

“In terms of the life-cycle of a parasite, once you’re bitten, the parasite goes to the liver and spends a couple of weeks there before it comes out into your blood

“If the drug level isn’t sufficient when the parasite enters the blood stage, there will be problems.

“Before going on a holiday, you wouldn’t go to a chemist and pick an anti malarial tablet off the shelf, you would have to go to a GP/travel clinic where they would look at where you were visiting.

“This is because one malaria tablet which may be effective in one country, may not be in another.”

 She was on her second overseas placement, having carried out environmental aid work in Borneo last year during a three month trip with Raleigh International.

Her mother, who has three other children, said: “She was full of life and a huge character, which is why everyone’s so devastated.

“She loved everyone, cared about everyone and drove everyone crazy. She loved life and she was too young.”

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/kenya/10853560/21-year-old-aid-worker-dies-from-malaria-in-Kenya.html

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Re: Could This Machine Save Malaria Victims?
« Reply #47 on: 24/05/2014 21:54:50 »
Quote from: profound on 24/05/2014 21:26:23
Ms Kelly's family said she was taking anti-malaria tablets

Quote from: patient.co.uk/doctor/malaria-prophylaxis
[Chemoprophylaxis] is not absolute, breakthrough infection can occur, and that risk avoidance is still necessary.
http://www.patient.co.uk/doctor/malaria-prophylaxis

If an effective malaria treatment can be had from alternating magnetic fields, e.g. one superior to current anti-malaria measures,  then repeat health-fraudster Mr Amrein has done the theory a considerable disservice by associating himself with it.

It's been over 4 years since Dave left his machine in Africa to be used by the natives.
Where is the "second study" follow-up report ? ,
[ Dave's been too busy in the intervening period selling sham impotence treatments ].

When Dave operated the malaria treatment apparatus it showed positive results within an hour, (so he says). What has been the success-rate during the 4+ years since ?.
Don't tell me, like his mental-mentor Hulda Clark, when the quack-remedy doesn't work blame other people , (e.g. the patient), for not following their protocol.
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Re: Could This Machine Save Malaria Victims?
« Reply #48 on: 25/05/2014 16:46:04 »
Quote from: profound on 20/05/2014 07:54:50

it seems to be a collection of links bashing her non stop.i wonder who funded it?
your quackbuster mr steve barrett?

Lets look at quackbusters:-

http://www.health-report.co.uk/quack_busters_scam_revealed.htm

who seems to have been in court for fraud

http://www.bolenreport.com/feature_articles/Doctor%27s-Data-v-Barrett/Doctor%27s-Data-v-barrett.htm

 On Friday June 18th, 2010 Doctor's Data Laboratory filed an eleven count lawsuit in the United States District Court for the Northern District of Illinois against Stephen J. Barrett, MD, the National Council Against Health Fraud Inc (NCAHF), Consumer Health Digest, and Quackwatch, Inc.



As far as I can tell from reports on line, many of those claims have already been thrown out by the judge because there's simply no supporting evidence.
http://www.quackwatch.com/14Legal/dd_suit.html
The case seems to be "on hold" at the moment.
So you certainly can't use it as a basis for saying the quackbusters are wrong. And, since Doctor's Data made claims they were unable to justify to the court, it's not making them look honest is it?
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Re: Could This Machine Save Malaria Victims?
« Reply #49 on: 25/05/2014 21:12:41 »
maybe not:-

http://www.anh-europe.org/news/quackbuster-stephen-barrett-md-loses-appeal-and-leaves-home-town


http://www.topix.com/forum/med/chiropractic/TH9NHSEDKI9GVJOKI

..in part jurors formed this view because Barrett testified with great
self-satisfaction in the Koren case that he had sued many
doctors-close to forty-in similar cases, demanding up to $100,000 if
they wished to avoid a costly lawsuit. Some paid-how many is yet to
be discovered. Drs. Koren and Rosenthal and a few others did
not. Barrett has failed to win a single lawsuit in this shakedown scheme.


He appears to be a blackmailer too.
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« Reply #50 on: 26/05/2014 01:19:13 »
Re: links in Reply #49

According to WOT services the trustworthiness rating of "anh-europe.org"  is "unsatisfactory" ... https://www.mywot.com/en/scorecard/anh-europe.org

Anyone can write anything on "Topix.com".  In the Britain the word "chiropractic" is synonymous with quacks who attempt to silence their critics via the courts , and fail.

rationalwiki.org gets a trustworthness rating of "excellent" from WOT ...
https://www.mywot.com/en/scorecard/rationalwiki.org

Here's a link to their summary of the Quackwatch lawsuits involving Dr Barrett ...
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Quackwatch#Lawsuit
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« Reply #51 on: 26/05/2014 10:32:15 »
Quote from: profound on 25/05/2014 21:12:41
maybe not:-

http://www.anh-europe.org/news/quackbuster-stephen-barrett-md-loses-appeal-and-leaves-home-town




Do you understand that having lost a case in 2007 doesn't affect the outcome of an ongoing case that only started in 2010?
Or did you somehow think it was relevant?

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« Reply #52 on: 30/05/2014 23:08:27 »
Quote from: RD on 23/05/2014 01:17:12
Quote from: profound on 23/05/2014 00:02:28
"The  parasite  seems  to  be  more  sturdy  than  expected
because  group  560  (50  degrees  Celsius  for  30  minutes)  failed
to  eliminate  it  entirely ...

Your unattributed quote confirms heating reduces parasite numbers.
If the experimental populations were 0.5C above the control for "56 hours" it could produce a measurable difference in parasite numbers, (rather any due to magnetic fields).


The Thompson-Brown study says otherwise.

field strengths of 0.682  2.73 and 6.82 milliteslas were used.

standard equations for a solenoid show field strength proportional to current.

the 6.82 /0.682 =10 times current and I squared heating would be 100 times more in 6.82 coil then in 0.682 tesla coil.

Also the 6.82 would be producing more heat by 4 times compared to 2.73 coil.

yet it is the middle coil which produces the best results in all 4 tables.

yet the table shows best effects was obtained with the 2.73 millitesla coil and not the hottest coil of 6.82 milliteslas therefore discounting the fever theory.

Figure 5,6,7 and 8. the percentage red blood cells infected by ring, trophozoites, or schizonts at 0 hours, 24 hours and 48 hours of treatment

"Results:-
In the first trial, the control sample grew 42% after 24 hours. Here, the treatment groups actually
grew well after 24 hours having a percentage increase of 95%, 96%, and 43% respectively.
After 28 hours, the control group had grown very well with a 207% increase while the treatment
groups were floundering with an overall growth of 6%, 10% and 21%. In the second trial, the
overall growth of all samples is worse than that of the first trial. However, the control group
does grow better than the treatment groups. After 24 hours, the control groups increased by
249% while the treatment groups grew by 154%, 50%, and 96%. After 48 hours, the control had
grown by 60% overall, while the treatment groups had less parasites than they started with. The
overall growth in the treatment groups was -13, -84%, and -41% respectively.
While the growth rates of the different treatment groups (with different magnetic field intensity)
do not significantly differ from themselves, they are significantly lower than the control group at
the 48-hour mark of both trials. The treatment is able to significantly inhibit growth of
Plasmodium falciparum. However, when the magnetic field strength is increased, the effect is
not visibly enhanced".

Also why was this moved to this section?

"Plasmodium falciparum Response to Oscillating Weak Magnetic
Fields
Mary Thompson, Department of Physics, Case Western Reserve University
Dr. Robert Brown, Department of Physics, Case Western Reserve University
Dr. Brian Grimberg, Center for Global Health and Disease, CWRU School of Medicine"

Presumably the person who did this either failed to read the above paper or was nobbled by big pharma's foot soldiers.

i mean don't want to lose malaria drug sales do we?

 [xx(] [xx(] [xx(]

Let 6000 people a day die a painful death from malaria while you stuff your pockets with 



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« Reply #53 on: 31/05/2014 00:31:24 »
The diagram looks like the coils are wired in parallel , not "series" ...

Quote from: Thompson_Brown_2011


Three solenoids of 28 gauge wire were connected in series with different numbers of turns: {250,1000, 2500}.
http://www.phys.cwru.edu/undergrad/Senior%20Projects/papers/papers2011/Thompson_Brown_2011%20S.pdf

If parallel then the current flowing in each coil is different.
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« Reply #54 on: 03/06/2014 19:46:27 »
Quote from: RD on 31/05/2014 00:31:24
The diagram looks like the coils are wired in parallel , not "series" ...

Quote from: Thompson_Brown_2011


Three solenoids of 28 gauge wire were connected in series with different numbers of turns: {250,1000, 2500}.
http://www.phys.cwru.edu/undergrad/Senior%20Projects/papers/papers2011/Thompson_Brown_2011%20S.pdf

If parallel then the current flowing in each coil is different.
did not see that bit..pdf are hard to read on a monitor.

The diagram is misleading and maybe for illustrative purposes only...

the text:-

Three solenoids of 28 gauge wire were connected in series with different numbers of turns: {250,1000, 2500}

This means the current flow is the same in all 3 solenoids.But the resistance in 2 and 3 must be higher
then in 1 by 5 to 10 times DUE TO INCREASED number of turns.more turns=more resistance.

since heating energy = i squared times r

E=I2R

then coil 3 would still be the hottest compared to 1 and 2.



but coil 2 shows was most effective therefore still discounts heat as the cause of malaria parasite reduction.


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