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« on: 10/05/2014 23:58:52 »
A researcher discovered that the malaria parasite is weakened when exposed to a changing magnetic field.

It is thought that the parasite which ingests heme/iron has it "bowels" ruptured when the changing magnetic field causes the stored/ingested heme crystals to be shaken about.A crude analogy is if you swallow a iron nail or bolt and then have a magnetic field applied to you that iron item is going to be shaken about and if it is in your bowels and ruptured the iron starts to poison you.

I quote from the research paper:-
"The researchers proposed that this may occur because the applied magnetic field prevents hemozoin
from being formed and free heme is free in the body of the parasite. Conversely, they suggest
that it is possible that the alternating magnetic field rotates the entire hemozoin crystal causing
mechanical damage to the late stage parasites".

Large amounts of iron is toxic to humans and causes organ failure.witness an iron nail and how quickly it rusts in salty water.the human body is full of salty electrolytes.



    Henry Lai, UW research professor of bioengineering, says the malaria parasite Plasmodium appears to lose vigor and can die when exposed to oscillating magnetic fields, which Lai thinks may cause tiny iron-containing particles inside the parasite to move in ways that damage the organism.

    “If further studies confirm our findings and their application in animals and people, this would be an inexpensive and simple way to treat a disease that affects 500 million people every year, almost all in third-world countries,” Lai said. According to the World Health Organization, as many as 2.7 million people die of malaria every year. Approximately 1 million of those are children.



http://www.washington.edu/news/2000/03/30/magnetic-fields-may-hold-key-to-malaria-treatment-uw-researchers-find/ [nofollow]

This was discovered in year 2000.

Nothing happened for the next 8 years.The wheels of progress are very slow where blacks are concerned.

IN 2008 a patent was published and more experiments done confirming the above.
The patent is full of details and methodology.

Here it is:-

http://www.phys.cwru.edu/undergrad/Senior%20Projects/papers/papers2011/Thompson_Brown_2011%20S.pdf [nofollow]

you can download it free and view it properly.


Then in 2011 a follow up experiment was done by:-

Mary Thompson, Department of Physics, Case Western Reserve University
Dr. Robert Brown, Department of Physics, Case Western Reserve University
Dr. Brian Grimberg, Center for Global Health and Disease, CWRU School of Medicine

They published an 18 page experiment report.

it essentially confirmed the 2000 and 2008 experiments that relatively weak oscillating magnetic fields cause weakening of the malaria parasite.

I suggest you read it 3 times at least.You can free download it here:-

www.phys.cwru.edu [nofollow]...

It is a scientific paper with full details.


Then in 2012 someone built a Malaria Machine and took it to Ghana.Ghana is a country in Africa.

For some strange reason they reported their results in a blog post here:-

http://health-and-politics.blogspot.co.uk/2010/01/health-great-malaria-frequency.html?showComment=1394838008588#c4850460281957899246 [nofollow]
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Re: Could This Machine Save Malaria Victims?
« Reply #1 on: 11/05/2014 03:13:28 »
It sounds like a degausser...  as used for erasing magnetic media, as well as using to remove magnetic fields from CRTs.

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« Reply #2 on: 11/05/2014 05:07:13 »
The Bill & Melinda Gates foundation have donated $millions to curing malaria (because noone would cure malaria for a profit).

If degaussing worked on malaria, I am sure they would investigate it.

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« Reply #3 on: 11/05/2014 07:27:10 »
[MOD Note: Most of your links are broken.  Did you copy/paste from elsewhere?  Generally original content is preferred on this site.  If it is not your writing, then it should be identified as such.]

A large number of the Malaria cases are self limiting, and adults that have had multiple previous infections may acquire some immunity.  There may also be some crossover of naturally acquired immunity between different strains. 

Any test should have a blinded randomized controlled clinical trial.  In this case, both groups probably should be treated with the "cage", but only one group would have it turned on.  The last link you included seemed to indicate the trial with only an experimental group, and no control group.

As with many things, magnetic field intensity drops off with the square of the distance.  The notes indicate a weak magnetic field, but the apparatus depicted appears like it would deliver a very weak field.

Is there a frequency that is used?  50/60 HZ, or something different?

One could get a much stronger magnetic field with an MRI machine, but perhaps the scan frequency would have to be adjusted, and it is not focused on the whole body at once.

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« Reply #4 on: 11/05/2014 10:12:27 »
This reminds me of the fraudulent "zapper" devices , (which claim to treat parasites) ...

Quote from: quackwatch.com
Clark's "Zapper" is a low-voltage device that supposedly kills parasites, bacteria, and viruses with electrical energy, but does not harm human tissue. Its use is based on Clark's notion that all living things broadcast a characteristic range of radio frequencies and that the device can issue counter-frequencies that kill unwanted organisms. Neither device has any genuine diagnostic or therapeutic value.
http://www.quackwatch.com/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/Cancer/clark.html

Yes high electric field can destroy parasites , but the field strength required would kill the host.  It's like saying if you boiled the patient it will destroy their parasites , which is true.

Re: Westerners applying fringe "medicine" to people in rural Africa see ...
http://www.nation.co.ke/News/Malaria%20drug%20endangers%20Kenyan%20lives%20/-/1056/1012418/-/11e26ja/-/
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« Reply #5 on: 11/05/2014 11:07:05 »
"It is thought that the parasite which ingests heme/iron has it "bowels" ruptured when the changing magnetic field causes the stored/ingested heme crystals to be shaken about."
By whom is that thought, and do they know that heme isn't magnetic?
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« Reply #6 on: 11/05/2014 11:46:05 »
[MOD Note: Most of your links are broken.  Did you copy/paste from elsewhere?  Generally original content is preferred on this site.  If it is not your writing, then it should be identified as such.]

A large number of the Malaria cases are self limiting, and adults that have had multiple previous infections may acquire some immunity.  There may also be some crossover of naturally acquired immunity between different strains. 

Any test should have a blinded randomized controlled clinical trial.  In this case, both groups probably should be treated with the "cage", but only one group would have it turned on.  The last link you included seemed to indicate the trial with only an experimental group, and no control group.

As with many things, magnetic field intensity drops off with the square of the distance.  The notes indicate a weak magnetic field, but the apparatus depicted appears like it would deliver a very weak field.

Is there a frequency that is used?  50/60 HZ, or something different?

One could get a much stronger magnetic field with an MRI machine, but perhaps the scan frequency would have to be adjusted, and it is not focused on the whole body at once.
All the links have been fixed.

The fields used are not very much stronger than the Earths magnetic field.

The frequencies experiment with were from 5 hertz to 15 hertz and from 1000 hertz to 1015 hertz.the higher frequencies seemed better but a lot depends on the configuration of the coils and what stage of the malaria parasites reproductive stage the field is applied.

full details of the method in depth are here:-

https://www.google.nl/patents/US20120130149 [nofollow]

which goes into great depth and detail and can be downloaded.


The apparatus in the picture seems to be six horizontal square shaped coils acting as a solenoid or it could be 2 vertical helmholtz coils held together by the six horizontal frames.

high magnification /closer examination of the pictures indicates the former as the horizontal bars are much thicker and the wires seems to go into it from the main cable snaking its way to the other end it seems to branch off into each of the horizontal square frames.

The method seems to be instead of using a huge whole continuous solenoid enclosing the person they have used segments of a solenoid instead.

i would much rather they used 2 vertical helmholtz coils instead as it would be simpler and cheaper due to fewer parts...



https://www.google.com/patents/EP2355900A1?cl=en [nofollow]
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« Reply #7 on: 11/05/2014 12:13:21 »
"It is thought that the parasite which ingests heme/iron has it "bowels" ruptured when the changing magnetic field causes the stored/ingested heme crystals to be shaken about."
By whom is that thought, and do they know that heme isn't magnetic?


2. Description of the Related Art

Malaria affects millions of people all over the world. Upon infecting a red blood cell, the malaria parasite feeds on hemoglobin (Hb) and breaks the Hb down inside a food vacuole in the parasite. The heme part of Hb is called ferritoprotoporphin IX (abbreviated as Fe(III)PPIX); and cannot be digested by the parasite. The parasite transforms the Fe(III)PPIX into crystalline stacks called hemozoin. Hemozoin is a crystalline dimer of Fe(III)PPIX with a well defined crystalline structure which can be described as lath-like. These crystals in the vacuole of the parasite are typically close to 1 micron (μm, 1 μm=10−6 meters) in length and several hundred nanometers (nm, 1 nm=10−9 meters) in width. The magnetic susceptibility of hemozoin varies depending on the nature of the solution in which it is found; but, the resulting magnetic moment is generally within 1 to 5 Bohr magneton, which makes hemozoin super-paramagnetic. Magnetic susceptibility indicates the tendency of magnetic dipoles in a material to align in response to an externally applied magnetic field. The resulting alignment causes the material to behave as a small magnet that experiences a force depending on the magnet's orientation relative to the externally applied magnetic field.

Low frequency oscillating magnetic fields have been shown to cause mechanical torsion of hemozoin within red blood cells infected by the malaria parasite (J. E. Feagan, M. A. W. Wurscher, C. Ramon, H. Lai, “Magnetic fields and Malaria,” Biologic Effects of Light: Proceedings of the Biologic Effects of Light Symposium, Hlick, M. F. and Jung, E. G. Kluwer Academic Publishers, Hingham, M A, pp 343-349, 1999). According to Feagan et al., the mechanical torsion is sufficient to cause membrane disruption inside the parasite cell and hence the destruction of the parasite. Alternatively, the authors suggested that beside mechanical disruption of parasitic membranes, the applied magnetic field also inhibited the biopolymerization of heme, thus imposing the toxic effect of heme on the parasite and causing its death. After 24 hour exposure to an alternating magnetic field of 15 Gauss (Gs) at 5 cycles per second (Hertz, Hz) the level of parasite in culture was reduced to a range from about 70% to about 33% of the level in untreated control samples.
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« Reply #8 on: 11/05/2014 19:21:00 »
full details of the method in depth are here:-

https://www.google.nl/patents/US20120130149

NB: just because a patent exists doesn't mean the apparatus actually works,
e.g. https://www.lhup.edu/~dsimanek/museum/patents.htm

... After 24 hour exposure to an alternating magnetic field of 15 Gauss (Gs) ...

An MRI machine has a field strength over a million times that ,
any cases of malaria being cured by being in an MRI ? 

[ the field in an MRI is constant, rather than alternating, but from the parasite's perspective the field will effectively be alternating as they change their orientation whilst travelling in the bloodstream ]
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« Reply #9 on: 11/05/2014 19:53:59 »
"The magnetic susceptibility of hemozoin varies depending on the nature of the solution in which it is found; but, the resulting magnetic moment is generally within 1 to 5 Bohr magneton, "

Roughly the same as hemoglobin in blood.
I'm still not convinced
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« Reply #10 on: 11/05/2014 22:31:03 »
"The magnetic susceptibility of hemozoin varies depending on the nature of the solution in which it is found; but, the resulting magnetic moment is generally within 1 to 5 Bohr magneton, "

Roughly the same as hemoglobin in blood.
I'm still not convinced
Me neither. A single electron's spin magnetic moment is 1 Bohr magneton...

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« Reply #11 on: 12/05/2014 08:09:10 »
full details of the method in depth are here:-

https://www.google.nl/patents/US20120130149 [nofollow]

NB: just because a patent exists doesn't mean the apparatus actually works,
e.g. https://www.lhup.edu/~dsimanek/museum/patents.htm [nofollow]

... After 24 hour exposure to an alternating magnetic field of 15 Gauss (Gs) ...

An MRI machine has a field strength over a million times that ,
any cases of malaria being cured by being in an MRI ? 

[ the field in an MRI is constant, rather than alternating, but from the parasite's perspective the field will effectively be alternating as they change their orientation whilst travelling in the bloodstream ]


Did you even read the patent?

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« Reply #12 on: 12/05/2014 09:12:32 »
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« Reply #13 on: 12/05/2014 16:47:29 »
Did you even read the patent?

I read some of it , but patent applications are not proof of efficacy.
A double-blind [nofollow] study using infected people could provide proof that the device works.
Which peer-reviewed journal are the results of the human-trial published in ?

[ the blog you refer to is written by a follower of the fraudulent "Dr" Hulda Clark [nofollow] who's "zapper" scam I mentioned above , (reply#4) ].

http://www.quackwatch.com/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/Cancer/clark.html [nofollow]
http://www.quackwatch.com/11Ind/bolen.html [nofollow]
http://www.quackwatch.com/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/Cancer/clarkaff/huffman.html [nofollow]
http://www.quackwatch.com/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/Cancer/clarkaff/pappas.html [nofollow]
http://www.quackwatch.com/02ConsumerProtection/FTCActions/clarkcomplaint.html [nofollow]


what has that got to with it?

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« Reply #14 on: 12/05/2014 17:37:23 »
what has that got to with it?
You can start with a hypothesis.  Perhaps cite some anecdotes.  But, then one needs to progress with the double blind study, hopefully designed in a way that patients would not be harmed by the experimental protocol. 

As I mentioned earlier, it would be easy enough to select a large number of patients.  All would be put in the cage, some receiving the "treatment", others just sitting in the cage without treatment, perhaps hearing a soft buzzer to indicate that the machine is "working".  All patients should also receive the "standard care", at least during the early trials as it would be unethical to withhold potentially life saving medications.  Double blinding would be that the people administrating the test would be unaware of the actual configuration.

The notes I see indicate that the mortality rate for malaria has plummeted since the 1940's.  It is lowest for young adults, and they would be a good initial target group for the study.  99.9% of the patients should recover with the standard care.  The study would have to be huge to pick out some of the 0.1% mortality to statistical significance, but other measurements such as the rapidity of clearing from the blood would be useful. 

There is widespread Chloroquine resistance, and drugs alone may not be the only answer.


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« Reply #15 on: 16/05/2014 18:10:05 »
The Bill & Melinda Gates foundation have donated $millions to curing malaria (because noone would cure malaria for a profit).

If degaussing worked on malaria, I am sure they would investigate it.


Why would they investigate it?

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« Reply #16 on: 16/05/2014 18:17:48 »
what has that got to with it?
You can start with a hypothesis.  Perhaps cite some anecdotes.  But, then one needs to progress with the double blind study, hopefully designed in a way that patients would not be harmed by the experimental protocol. 

As I mentioned earlier, it would be easy enough to select a large number of patients.  All would be put in the cage, some receiving the "treatment", others just sitting in the cage without treatment, perhaps hearing a soft buzzer to indicate that the machine is "working".  All patients should also receive the "standard care", at least during the early trials as it would be unethical to withhold potentially life saving medications.  Double blinding would be that the people administrating the test would be unaware of the actual configuration.

The notes I see indicate that the mortality rate [nofollow] for malaria has plummeted since the 1940's.  It is lowest for young adults [nofollow], and they would be a good initial target group for the study.  99.9% of the patients should recover with the standard care.  The study would have to be huge to pick out some of the 0.1% mortality to statistical significance, but other measurements such as the rapidity of clearing from the blood would be useful. 

There is widespread Chloroquine resistance, and drugs alone may not be the only answer.



I did not start with a hypothesis at all.

I started with a research paper by Henry Lai, UW research professor of bioengineering, says the malaria parasite Plasmodium appears to lose vigor and can die when exposed to oscillating magnetic fields, which Lai thinks may cause tiny iron-containing particles inside the parasite to move in ways that damage the organism.

This was improved upon by

Plasmodium falciparum Response to Oscillating Weak Magnetic
Fields Mary Thompson, Department of Physics, Case Western Reserve University
Dr. Robert Brown, Department of Physics, Case Western Reserve University
Dr. Brian Grimberg, Center for Global Health and Disease, CWRU School of Medicine.

http://www.phys.cwru.edu/undergrad/Senior%20Projects/papers/papers2011/Thompson_Brown_2011%20S.pdf [nofollow]

The experiments were impressive and conclusive.

The patent came later by others with more experiments.

It is obvious that none of you actually bother to read anything or study anything that might strain you and have an MTV attention span response

It is also very concerning that

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« Reply #17 on: 16/05/2014 18:20:03 »
[ the field in an MRI is constant, rather than alternating, but from the parasite's perspective the field will effectively be alternating as they change their orientation whilst travelling in the bloodstream ]

We also use three orthogonal oscillating magnetic fields, which should rip apart or boil anything with a significant susceptibility and a weak cell wall.  Worth a try.
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« Reply #18 on: 17/05/2014 12:45:40 »
[ the field in an MRI is constant, rather than alternating, but from the parasite's perspective the field will effectively be alternating as they change their orientation whilst travelling in the bloodstream ]

We also use three orthogonal oscillating magnetic fields, which should rip apart or boil anything with a significant susceptibility and a weak cell wall.  Worth a try.

Why would VERY poor malaria patients go into a very expensive ,very specialized million $ MRI machine?.

They don't even have MRI machines.Do you know the running costs of these things?
The specialized personnel to operate them?

In any case the field required is quite weak compared to a MRI field...

Stronger fields above a certain strength in the research paper showed a weaker effect in the malaria parasite reproductive cycle.

"... the field in an MRI is constant, rather than alternating, but from the parasite's perspective the field will effectively be alternating as they change their orientation whilst travelling in the bloodstream."

the parasite are not all traveling and there is no way they can travel fast enough in the body to simulate a 5 to 15 hertz oscillating magnetic field.

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« Reply #19 on: 17/05/2014 13:32:05 »
[ the field in an MRI is constant, rather than alternating, but from the parasite's perspective the field will effectively be alternating as they change their orientation whilst travelling in the bloodstream ]

We also use three orthogonal oscillating magnetic fields, which should rip apart or boil anything with a significant susceptibility and a weak cell wall.  Worth a try.

Why would VERY poor malaria patients go into a very expensive ,very specialized million $ MRI machine?.

In any case the field required is quite weak compared to a MRI field...


the parasite are not all traveling and there is no way they can travel fast enough in the body to simulate a 5 to 15 hertz oscillating magnetic field.

I'm sure we would accept evidence of rich people with malaria getting cured by an MRI scan (for some other condition).
Why did you ask about poor ones?

From the point of view of a parasite tumbling in the blood stream there's going to be some component of that motion at about 5 to 15 Hz.

And this
"Stronger fields above a certain strength in the research paper showed a weaker effect in the malaria parasite reproductive cycle." rings alarm bells. Why does more equal less?
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« Reply #20 on: 17/05/2014 20:43:02 »
what has that got to with it?

That the human trials you report are apparently conducted by a follower* of "Dr" Hulda Clark who was a charlatan. [* her nephew ?]

... there is no way they can travel fast enough in the body to simulate a 5 to 15 hertz oscillating magnetic field.

Red Blood Cells are described here as rotating/flipping at 5 - 15 times per second.

Why would VERY poor malaria patients go into a very expensive ,very specialized million $ MRI machine?.

I'm not suggesting an MRI be used to treat malaria , just that it would be proof-of-concept if someone had been cured of malaria by being in an MRI machine.


[ UPDATE : the author of the blog you refer to is apparently David P. Amrein who owns a company bearing "Dr Clark"s name which has been prosecuted by the FTC for making unsubstantiated health claims ...

Quote from: quackwatch.org
The FTC's complaint names Dr. Clark Research Association (DCRA), a California corporation that uses a San Diego, California, address; Dr. Clark Behandlungzentrum GMbH, a company based in Munchenbuchsee, Switzerland, and doing business as Dr. Clark Zentrum (DCZ), and their owner, David P. Amrein
http://www.quackwatch.org/02ConsumerProtection/FTCActions/clarkassn.html
http://www.quackwatch.org/02ConsumerProtection/FTCActions/clarkcomplaint.html

Apparently not actually his "aunt Hulda"
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« Reply #21 on: 18/05/2014 00:28:23 »
And this
"Stronger fields above a certain strength in the research paper showed a weaker effect in the malaria parasite reproductive cycle." rings alarm bells. Why does more equal less?

Weaker=more effective, sounds like homoeopathy, or the electronic equivalent ...

Quote from: wikipedia.org/wiki/Hulda_Regehr_Clark
Homeography: According to Clark, a "new science ... which is the electronic analog of homeopathy.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hulda_Regehr_Clark#Major_methods_and_topics
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« Reply #22 on: 18/05/2014 04:24:47 »
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the level of parasite in culture was reduced to a range from about 70% to about 33% of the level in untreated control samples

I am wary of claims that the level of parasite is reduced over 24 hours of treatment. The symptoms of malaria includes cycles of parasite population every 2-3 days. So if you only treat people when they are showing acute symptoms, you could almost expect the levels of infection to decline over the next 24 hours.

The goal of treatment is not just to reduce the level of parasites, but to eliminate them from the body. People who take preventative medication before and during their trip to a malaria-risk area sometimes come down with malaria soon after they stop taking the medication. It seems that the parasite is able to survive in one of its many life-cycle phases - until the medication is stopped, and the parasite takes over. This happened to one of my friends.
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« Reply #23 on: 18/05/2014 08:21:50 »

Why would VERY poor malaria patients go into a very expensive ,very specialized million $ MRI machine?.

They don't even have MRI machines.Do you know the running costs of these things?
The specialized personnel to operate them?


Yes. I own two clinical MRI units and I know where every last penny goes!

If you ignore the very expensive and environmentally demanding homogenous static field, you are left with programmable orthogonal oscillating fields which can be used to investigate and optimise the treatment regime, and can be replicated at quite low cost in a mobile rig wherever they are needed.
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« Reply #24 on: 18/05/2014 09:56:37 »

Why would VERY poor malaria patients go into a very expensive ,very specialized million $ MRI machine?.

They don't even have MRI machines.Do you know the running costs of these things?
The specialized personnel to operate them?


Yes. I own two clinical MRI units and I know where every last penny goes!

If you ignore the very expensive and environmentally demanding homogenous static field, you are left with programmable orthogonal oscillating fields which can be used to investigate and optimise the treatment regime, and can be replicated at quite low cost in a mobile rig wherever they are needed.

Did you look at the pictures close up,magnified?

the patent actually mentions experiments with orthogonal oscillating fields also.

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« Reply #25 on: 18/05/2014 09:58:20 »
what has that got to with it?

That the human trials you report [nofollow] are apparently conducted by a follower* of "Dr" Hulda Clark who was a charlatan [nofollow]. [* her nephew [nofollow] ?]

... there is no way they can travel fast enough in the body to simulate a 5 to 15 hertz oscillating magnetic field.

Red Blood Cells are described here [nofollow] as rotating/flipping at 5 - 15 times per second.

Why would VERY poor malaria patients go into a very expensive ,very specialized million $ MRI machine?.

I'm not suggesting an MRI be used to treat malaria , just that it would be proof-of-concept [nofollow] if someone had been cured of malaria by being in an MRI machine.


[ UPDATE : the author of the blog you refer to [nofollow] is apparently David P. Amrein [nofollow] who owns a company bearing "Dr Clark"s name which has been prosecuted by the FTC [nofollow] for making unsubstantiated health claims ...

Quote from: quackwatch.org
The FTC's complaint names Dr. Clark Research Association (DCRA), a California corporation that uses a San Diego, California, address; Dr. Clark Behandlungzentrum GMbH, a company based in Munchenbuchsee, Switzerland, and doing business as Dr. Clark Zentrum (DCZ), and their owner, David P. Amrein
http://www.quackwatch.org/02ConsumerProtection/FTCActions/clarkassn.html [nofollow]
http://www.quackwatch.org/02ConsumerProtection/FTCActions/clarkcomplaint.html [nofollow]

Apparently not actually [nofollow] his "aunt Hulda [nofollow]"

you seem to be rather preoccupied with hulda clark bashing.why don't you open your own thread and do the bashing instead of hijacking this one?

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« Reply #26 on: 18/05/2014 12:39:08 »
... you seem to be rather preoccupied with hulda clark bashing.why don't you open your own thread and do the bashing instead of hijacking this one?

The blog you referred to in the first post in this thread is by David P. Amrein, who trades under the name "Dr. [Hulda] Clark Research Association". So me pointing out that "Dr" Hulda Clark was a charlatan of the first magnitude is relevant to this thread , rather than a "hijack".

Anyone promulgating the teachings of "Dr" Hulda Clark is either a naive ignoramus or a fellow fraudster, and their statements should be viewed in that light.

You asked me to read a patent, which I did, if you return the favour by reading some of the atrocious acts "Dr" Hulda Clark committed then you will see “bashing” is wholly justified , and that her followers/advocates are dupes or criminals.

PS
 I note you have not responded to evidence contradicting your assertion that …

“... there is no way they [malaria parasites] can travel fast enough in the body to simulate a 5 to 15 hertz oscillating magnetic field.”
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« Reply #27 on: 18/05/2014 14:06:24 »
... you seem to be rather preoccupied with hulda clark bashing.why don't you open your own thread and do the bashing instead of hijacking this one?

The blog you referred to in the first post in this thread [nofollow] is by David P. Amrein, who trades under the name "Dr. [Hulda] Clark Research Association [nofollow]". So me pointing out that "Dr" Hulda Clark was a charlatan of the first magnitude [nofollow] is relevant to this thread , rather than a "hijack".

Anyone promulgating the teachings of "Dr" Hulda Clark is either a naive ignoramus or a fellow fraudster, and their statements should be viewed in that light.

You asked me to read a patent, which I did, if you return the favour by reading some of the atrocious acts "Dr" Hulda Clark committed [nofollow] then you will see “bashing” is wholly justified , and that her followers/advocates are dupes or criminals.

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 I note you have not responded to evidence contradicting your assertion [nofollow] that …

“... there is no way they [malaria parasites] can travel fast enough in the body to simulate a 5 to 15 hertz oscillating magnetic field.”

Well if you insist on talking about fraud and corruption lets talk about your big pharma friends fraud:-

 Big Pharma suffers from institutional corruption according to Harvard University researchers (1). They came to this conclusion after examining Pharma’s practices and policies in 5 different categories: systemic problems, medical research, medical knowledge and practice, marketing, and patient advocacy organizations. The CBCD believes this institutional corruption is a result of the productivity crisis in pharmaceutical R&D.

What is institutional corruption?

According to Marc A. Rodwin, one of the lead researchers, institutional corruption is “widespread or systemic practices, usually legal, that undermine an institution's objectives or integrity. Institutional corruption displaces some goals and compromises the attainment of others (2).”

An example of systemic corruption, (corruption of the entire system, or way of doing things) is Big Pharma’s funding of political campaigns, selectively providing information to legislators, subsidizing their work, and targeting campaign contributions to influential legislators and allies (1). Another example of a systemic problem is the fact that “Firms have strong financial incentives to develop so-called me-too drugs - products which are minor variations of existing drugs - and to heavily market them in ways that exaggerate their benefits and fail to reveal their full risks (1).”

The Harvard researchers found that Big Pharma manipulates physicians across America to achieve their financial goals. They wrote that “widespread practices in the medical and pharmaceutical industries can lead to doctors who are psychologically, financially, or intellectually dependent on drug companies (1).” In other words, Pharma turned these doctors into their agents. This is a phenomenon which has “resulted in…Doctors who take such misleading information at face value (and) prescribe drugs that are often unnecessary, harmful to patients, or more costly than equivalent medications (1).” .....and on and on.

http://www.prweb.com/releases/2013/11/prweb11290033.htm [nofollow]

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« Reply #28 on: 18/05/2014 15:27:19 »
Well if you insist on talking about fraud and corruption lets talk about your big pharma friends fraud:-

That corruption may exist elsewhere does not diminish the fraud of "Dr" Clark and her disciples.

Despite prompting you still haven't responded to the evidence showing RBCs tumble and spin at up to 15 times per second, contradicting your unfounded assertion that ...

... there is no way they [malaria parasites] can travel fast enough in the body to simulate a 5 to 15 hertz oscillating magnetic field.

[ BTW where is your evidence that I have friends who work for "big pharma" ? ].
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« Reply #29 on: 18/05/2014 15:39:58 »
Well if you insist on talking about fraud and corruption lets talk about your big pharma friends fraud:-

That corruption may exist elswhere does not diminish the fraud of "Dr" Clark and her disciples.

Despite prompting you still haven't responded to the evidence showing RBCs tumble and spin at up to 15 times per second
contradicting your unfounded assertion that ...

“... there is no way they [malaria parasites] can travel fast enough in the body to simulate a 5 to 15 hertz oscillating magnetic field”

oh i forgot to add your pals in glaxo are being investigated too for fraud and bribery.

http://www.theguardian.com/business/2012/jul/03/glaxosmithkline-fined-bribing-doctors-pharmaceuticals [nofollow]



    Business
    GlaxoSmithKline

GlaxoSmithKline fined $3bn after bribing doctors to increase drugs sales
Sales reps in the US encouraged to mis-sell antidepressants Paxil and Wellbutrin and asthma treatment Advair...
The pharmaceutical group GlaxoSmithKline has been fined $3bn (£1.9bn) after admitting bribing doctors and encouraging the prescription of unsuitable antidepressants to children. Glaxo is also expected to admit failing to report safety problems with the diabetes drug Avandia in a district court in Boston on Thursday.

The company encouraged sales reps in the US to mis-sell three drugs to doctors and lavished hospitality and kickbacks on those who agreed to write extra prescriptions, including trips to resorts in Bermuda, Jamaica and California.

The company admitted corporate misconduct over the antidepressants Paxil and Wellbutrin and asthma drug Advair.

Psychiatrists and their partners were flown to five-star hotels, on all-expenses-paid trips where speakers, paid up to $2,500 to attend, gave presentations on the drugs. They could enjoy diving, golf, fishing and other extra activities arranged by the company.

GSK also paid for articles on its drugs to appear in medical journals and "independent" doctors were hired by the company to promote the treatments, according to court documents.

Paxil – which was only approved for adults – was promoted as suitable for children and teenagers by the company despite trials that showed it was ineffective, according to prosecutors.

Children and teenagers are only treated with antidepressants in exceptional circumstances due to an increased risk of suicide.

GSK held eight lavish three-day events in 2000 and 2001 at hotels in Puerto Rico, Hawaii and Palm Springs, California, to promote the drug to doctors for unapproved use.

Those who attended were given $750, free board and lodging and access to activities including snorkelling, golf, deep-sea fishing, rafting, glass-bottomed boat rides, hot-air balloon rides and, on one trip, a tour of the Bacardi rum distillery, all paid for by GSK.

Air fares were also covered for doctors and spouses, in most cases, and speakers at the event were paid $2,500 each.

Before one event, the compere said: "We have a wonderful and unforgettable night planned. Without giving it all away, I can tell you – you'll be experiencing a taste of luxury."

Not everyone was impressed, though. One psychiatrist complained: "The style of the conference would have been suitable for a convention of cosmetics sales reps; this is supposed to be a scientific meeting. To me, the music, lights, videos, emcees are offputting and a distraction, even demeaning."

GSK also published an article in a medical journal that mis-stated the drug's safety for children, despite the journal asking several times to change the wording.....



also Pfizer they paid 100 of millions in fines for fraud.

US drugmaker Pfizer has agreed to pay $2.3bn (£1.4bn) in the largest healthcare fraud settlement in the history of the Department of Justice.

It comes after the firm was found to have illegally promoted four drugs for uses which had not been approved by medical regulators.

A subsidiary of the firm pleaded guilty to misbranding drugs "with the intent to defraud or mislead".

US officials said Pfizer would have to enter a corporate integrity agreement.

It will be subject to additional public scrutiny by requiring it to make "detailed disclosures" on its website.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/8234533.stm [nofollow]

awful lot of fraud going on.what you doing about.

accusing hulda clark alleged fraud does not decrease you big pharma confirmed fraud does it?...

billions and billions and billions worth of fraud.

That corruption may exist elsewhere does not diminish the fraud of big pharma and their cronies.


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« Reply #30 on: 18/05/2014 16:00:07 »
Like you said ...

what has that got to with it?

What has any corruption in "big pharma" got to do with whether or not this electrical device can treat malaria ?.

[ before you tell us there is a conspiracy led by "big pharma" to suppress this competing technology see "warning sign" #4 ( and #3, #8 , #9 & #13) ] .


... your pals in glaxo ...

That's twice you've said I have friends working for "big pharma", where is your evidence that is the case ?
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« Reply #31 on: 18/05/2014 20:51:20 »
Like you said ...

what has that got to with it?

What has any corruption in "big pharma" got to do with whether or not this electrical device can treat malaria ?.

[ before you tell us there is a conspiracy led by "big pharma" to suppress this competing technology see "warning sign" #4 [nofollow] ( and #3, #8 , #9 & #13) ] .


... your pals in glaxo ...

That's twice you've said I have friends working for "big pharma", where is your evidence that is the case ?

You are the one who started going about alleged hulda clark fraud.

what was the fraud by the way??

i meant "friends" as in

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« Reply #32 on: 19/05/2014 00:39:34 »
You are the one who started going about alleged hulda clark fraud.
what was the fraud by the way??

Try clicking on some of the links I've posted in this thread, e.g.
http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles/comment/clark.htm
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« Reply #33 on: 20/05/2014 07:54:50 »
You are the one who started going about alleged hulda clark fraud.
what was the fraud by the way??

Try clicking on some of the links I've posted in this thread, e.g.
http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles/comment/clark.htm [nofollow]


With a pejorative title like ratbags.com ?

it seems to be a collection of links bashing her non stop.i wonder who funded it?
your quackbuster mr steve barrett?

Lets look at quackbusters:-

http://www.health-report.co.uk/quack_busters_scam_revealed.htm [nofollow]

who seems to have been in court for fraud

http://www.bolenreport.com/feature_articles/Doctor%27s-Data-v-Barrett/Doctor%27s-Data-v-barrett.htm [nofollow]

 On Friday June 18th, 2010 Doctor's Data Laboratory filed an eleven count lawsuit in the United States District Court for the Northern District of Illinois against Stephen J. Barrett, MD, the National Council Against Health Fraud Inc (NCAHF), Consumer Health Digest, and Quackwatch, Inc.


The case charges the Defendants with (1) Lanham Act Violations - Restraint of Trade, Deceptive Business Practices, and Trademark Dilution, (2)  Trademark Dilution under the Illinois Trademark Registration and Protection Act, (3)  Violations of the Illinois Consumer Fraud and Deceptive Business Practices Act, (4)  Violations of the Illinois Deceptive Trade Practices Act, (5)  Business Libel Per Se,  (6)  Business Libel Per Quod,  (7)  Tortuous Interference with Existing and Potential Business Relationships, (8)  Fraud or Intentional Misrepresentation, (9)  Civil Conspiracy, (10)  Corporate Officer and Board Member Personal Liability, (11)  Temporary and Permanent Injunctive Relief.

The Consumer Health Digest is, according to Barrett, a joint effort of quackwatch and the NCAHF, and is jointly edited by Barrett and William M. London.  London is employed by the California State University Los Angeles campus in the Health Sciences Department....

Steve Barrett seems to be in court a lot and loses each time:-
where does the money come from?

http://www.quackpotwatch.org/quackpots/california_superior_court_judge_.htm [nofollow]



Keep in mind that Barrett, although claiming to be a retired Psychiatrist, was never able to become "Board Certified."  He failed his test.  Also, Barrett gave up his MD license in 1993.  I suspect he just couldn't keep up with new things.  His employment record shows he NEVER was able to hold a full-time job - and his claim to "Psychiatric fame" was his part-time (4 to 8 hours a week) employment at a Pennsylvania Mental Hospital - from 1978 through 1993. ...

http://www.health-report.co.uk/quack_busters_scam_revealed.htm [nofollow]
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« Reply #34 on: 20/05/2014 13:49:40 »
With a pejorative title like ratbags.com ?

it seems to be a collection of links bashing her non stop.i wonder who funded it?
your quackbuster mr steve barrett?

Like Dr Stephen Barrett , the author of www.ratbags.com was also sued by not-a-medical-Dr Hulda Clark , but the long list of ridiculous charges, like the eleven you list above, were all dismissed, see ... http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles/comment/clark05courtcase.htm

Like a filing a patent application, anyone can file a law-suit : it doesn't have to have any merit.

Lets look at quackbusters:-
http://www.health-report.co.uk/quack_busters_scam_revealed.htm

That webage is described as "Opinion by Consumer Advocate Tim Bolen".

As for the credibility of Mr Bolen listen to him speak on this YouTube video of him giving testimony under oath and judge for yourself ... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DmEIF7DNnas
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« Reply #35 on: 21/05/2014 21:17:27 »
[quote author

A large number of the Malaria cases are self limiting, and adults that have had multiple previous infections may acquire some immunity.  There may also be some crossover of naturally acquired immunity between different strains. 

Any test should have a blinded randomized controlled clinical trial.  In this case, both groups probably should be treated with the "cage", but only one group would have it turned on.  The last link you included seemed to indicate the trial with only an experimental group, and no control group.

As with many things, magnetic field intensity drops off with the square of the distance.  The notes indicate a weak magnetic field, but the apparatus depicted appears like it would deliver a very weak field.

Is there a frequency that is used?  50/60 HZ, or something different?

One could get a much stronger magnetic field with an MRI machine, but perhaps the scan frequency would have to be adjusted, and it is not focused on the whole body at once.
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.[/b][/i][/u]

  • In helmholtz coils the field is uniform between the coils and also for small objects compared to the field.

    An arbitrary 5 to 15 hertz was used initially and also 1000 to 1015 hertz in later experiments.the higher frequencies were more effective.


    The mechanisms are not well understood. It is possible that a hemozoin crystal can feel a
    torque of an applied magnetic field killing the parasite. An experiment needs to be designed to
      • test this theory. The effect of the magnetic field on the various life stages should also be
        examined. This can be accomplished by beginning the treatment with synchronize samples. In
        other words, samples will be treated starting with all rings, all trophozoites, and all schizonts.

In the first trial, the control sample grew 42% after 24 hours. Here, the treatment groups actually
grew well after 24 hours having a percentage increase of 95%, 96%, and 43% respectively.
After 28 hours, the control group had grown very well with a 207% increase while the treatment
groups were floundering with an overall growth of 6%, 10% and 21%. In the second trial, the
overall growth of all samples is worse than that of the first trial. However, the control group
does grow better than the treatment groups. After 24 hours, the control groups increased by
249% while the treatment groups grew by 154%, 50%, and 96%. After 48 hours, the control had
grown by 60% overall, while the treatment groups had less parasites than they started with. The
overall growth in the treatment groups was -13, -84%, and -41% respectively.
While the growth rates of the different treatment groups (with different magnetic field intensity)
do not significantly differ from themselves, they are significantly lower than the control group at
the 48-hour mark of both trials. The treatment is able to significantly inhibit growth of
Plasmodium falciparum. However, when the magnetic field strength is increased, the effect is
not visibly enhanced.

the last line means the cost of magnetic field generation will be low as higher fields are not more effective.
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« Reply #36 on: 21/05/2014 22:56:52 »
... The treatment is able to significantly inhibit growth of Plasmodium falciparum ...

Looks like you are quoting from this ...

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Plasmodium falciparum Response to Oscillating Weak Magnetic Fields.
Mary Thompson, Department of Physics, Case Western Reserve University
Dr. Robert Brown, Department of Physics, Case Western Reserve University
Dr. Brian Grimberg, Center for Global Health and Disease, CWRU School of Medicine ...

[attachment=18755] ...

http://www.phys.cwru.edu/undergrad/Senior%20Projects/papers/papers2011/Thompson_Brown_2011%20S.pdf


In the top left it says the temperature is "37C" , but couldn't there be a local heating effect on the blood in the coils as a result of the electrical current passing through the coils ?.  [Some allege the function of fever is to inhibit parasites] , in which case any reduction in parasite numbers in the experimental populations could just be due to being heated to a higher temperature than the control, rather than due to the magnetic fields.

Just a thought.
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« Reply #37 on: 22/05/2014 07:40:28 »
... The treatment is able to significantly inhibit growth of Plasmodium falciparum ...

Looks like you are quoting from this ...

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Plasmodium falciparum Response to Oscillating Weak Magnetic Fields.
Mary Thompson, Department of Physics, Case Western Reserve University
Dr. Robert Brown, Department of Physics, Case Western Reserve University
Dr. Brian Grimberg, Center for Global Health and Disease, CWRU School of Medicine ...

[attachment=18755] ...

http://www.phys.cwru.edu/undergrad/Senior%20Projects/papers/papers2011/Thompson_Brown_2011%20S.pdf [nofollow]


In the top left it says the temperature is "37C" , but couldn't there be a local heating effect on the blood in the coils as a result of the electrical current passing through the coils ?.  [Some allege the function of fever is to inhibit parasites [nofollow]] , in which case any reduction in parasite numbers in the experimental populations could just be due to being heated to a higher temperature than the control, rather than due to the magnetic fields.

Just a thought.

"This apparatus will be placed inside an incubator at 37°C at 5% CO 2 . Three treatment
samples are placed in the three solenoids. A control sample will be placed inside the incubator
away from the solenoids. A fan was blowing on the three coils to minimized Ohmic heating
from the wires".

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« Reply #38 on: 22/05/2014 08:42:00 »
5% CO2 is unlikely to be experienced inside a healthy patient (or even one suffering from malaria).
If a healthy patient is placed in 5% CO2, they won't be healthy for very long.

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« Reply #39 on: 22/05/2014 16:12:47 »
A fan was blowing on the three coils to minimized Ohmic heating
from the wires".

How "minimized" was the "Ohmic heating" ?.  The fan on my computer reduces the the temperature of the CPU chip , but it's still typically 10C above room temperature. 

Putting a thermometer in each of the test-tubes and taking regular readings would have revealed how successful the fan was.  [ IMO a water-bath would have a better idea to regulate temperature. Another idea : it may be possible to wrap current-carrying wire around the a control sample in a way which contributed any ohmic heating but had no net magnetic field ].
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« Reply #40 on: 22/05/2014 18:35:34 »
A fan was blowing on the three coils to minimized Ohmic heating
from the wires".

How "minimized" was the "Ohmic heating" ?.  The fan on my computer reduces the the temperature of the CPU chip , but it's still typically 10C above room temperature. 

Putting a thermometer in each of the test-tubes and taking regular readings would have revealed how successful the fan was.  [ IMO a water-bath would have a better idea to regulate temperature. Another idea : it may be possible to wrap current-carrying wire around the a control sample in a way which contributed any ohmic heating but had no net magnetic field ].

"Using a cooling fan solved our ohmic heating problem by
reducing an increase of 5°C to less than 1°C. However, the design needs to be improved to
reduce further temperature variance between samples..."

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« Reply #41 on: 22/05/2014 19:47:57 »
"Using a cooling fan solved our ohmic heating problem by reducing an increase of 5°C to less than 1°C ... "

Above 37.5C  is a fever ... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fever#Definition

as I mentioned previously some believe the function of a fever is to inhibit parasites by creating an environment outside their optimum temperature range.   

37+5=42C is WAY outside normal human body temperature, see ...
http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/A-level_Applied_Science/Energy_Transfer_Systems/Body_Temperature#Hot
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« Reply #42 on: 23/05/2014 00:02:28 »
"Using a cooling fan solved our ohmic heating problem by reducing an increase of 5°C to less than 1°C ... "

Above 37.5C  is a fever ... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fever#Definition [nofollow]

as I mentioned previously some believe the function of a fever is to inhibit parasites by creating an environment outside their optimum temperature range.   

37+5=42C is WAY outside normal human body temperature, see ...
http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/A-level_Applied_Science/Energy_Transfer_Systems/Body_Temperature#Hot [nofollow]

"Using a cooling fan solved our ohmic heating problem by reducing an increase of 5°C to less than 1°C ...


"Using a cooling fan solved our ohmic heating problem by reducing an increase of 5°C to less than 1°C ...

"The  parasite  seems  to  be  more  sturdy  than  expected
because  group  560  (50  degrees  Celsius  for  30  minutes)  failed
to  eliminate  it  entirely.  UV  treatment  in  group  550  seems  to  be
more  effective  as  a  negative  control...

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« Reply #43 on: 23/05/2014 01:17:12 »
"The  parasite  seems  to  be  more  sturdy  than  expected
because  group  560  (50  degrees  Celsius  for  30  minutes)  failed
to  eliminate  it  entirely ...

Your unattributed quote confirms heating reduces parasite numbers.
If the experimental populations were 0.5C above the control for "56 hours" it could produce a measurable difference in parasite numbers, (rather any due to magnetic fields).


BTW if Dave (in the striped shirt) offers you "something for the weekend", just say no ...



Quote from: www.ftc.gov
    www.ftc.gov   »    Enforcement »    Cases and Proceedings »
    Dr. Clark Research Association, Dr. Clark Behandlungzentrum GMbH, d/b/a Dr. Clark Zentrum, and David P. Amrein ...
    Last Updated: August 28, 2012    FTC Matter/File Number: 022 3165

 August 28, 2012
PRESS RELEASE: FTC Refunds $6 Million to Consumers Who Bought Deceptively Advertised Supplements that Were Supposed to Cause Weight Loss and Treat Erectile Dysfunction
http://www.ftc.gov/enforcement/cases-proceedings/022-3165/dr-clark-research-association-dr-clark-behandlungzentrum-gmbh

Here's not-a-doctor-Dave in a white coat ...
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« Reply #44 on: 23/05/2014 12:41:19 »
"The  parasite  seems  to  be  more  sturdy  than  expected
because  group  560  (50  degrees  Celsius  for  30  minutes)  failed
to  eliminate  it  entirely ...

Your unattributed quote confirms heating reduces parasite numbers.
If the experimental populations were 0.5C above the control for "56 hours" it could produce a measurable difference in parasite numbers, (rather any due to magnetic fields).


BTW if Dave (in the striped shirt) offers you "something for the weekend", just say no ...



Quote from: www.ftc.gov [nofollow]
    www.ftc.gov [nofollow]   »    Enforcement »    Cases and Proceedings »
    Dr. Clark Research Association, Dr. Clark Behandlungzentrum GMbH, d/b/a Dr. Clark Zentrum, and David P. Amrein ...
    Last Updated: August 28, 2012    FTC Matter/File Number: 022 3165

 August 28, 2012
PRESS RELEASE: FTC Refunds $6 Million to Consumers Who Bought Deceptively Advertised Supplements that Were Supposed to Cause Weight Loss and Treat Erectile Dysfunction
http://www.ftc.gov/enforcement/cases-proceedings/022-3165/dr-clark-research-association-dr-clark-behandlungzentrum-gmbh [nofollow]

Here's not-a-doctor-Dave in a white coat ...


ahem...white coats are also worn by lab assistants/technicians/etc in most laboratories and engineering workshops.
In the University where I work i see them routinely in the engineering section.They stop your clothes getting dirty from the grease.

where is the stethoscope? and this lab coat has no collars.which is very very odd.
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« Reply #45 on: 23/05/2014 14:02:39 »
... where is the stethoscope? ...

Stethoscopes are so old-hat, syncrometers® are far superior diagnostic tools, (if they were as advertised)

ahem...white coats are also worn by lab assistants/technicians/etc in most laboratories and engineering workshops...

So in your opinion the white coat makes Dave look like a lab technician, or a university employee, both of whom would have formal qualifications in science.  Whereas Dave's only "ology" is scientology.

Quote from: quackwatch.com
[Hulda Clark's] ideas are also advocated by the Dr. Clark Research Association, an entity founded in 1998 by David P. Amrein, a Scientologist who describes himself as a freelance consultant in finance and taxes.
http://www.quackwatch.com/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/Cancer/clark.html

BTW religions,  including scientology,  are exempt from paying many taxes ...

Quote from: wikipedia.org
Scientology is legally recognized as a tax-exempt religion in the United States and other countries, and the Church of Scientology emphasizes this as proof that it is a bona fide religion
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_of_Scientology#Beliefs

Of course, being an honest and decent chap, Dave is a true-believer rather than just joining for any tax-breaks or access to the scientology   sucker-list    membership database.
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Re: Could This Machine Save Malaria Victims?
« Reply #46 on: 24/05/2014 21:26:23 »
It is with great sadness that I report another victim to malaria today.
This time it was a young white women from England who had gone to help but has been
struck down in her prime by malaria.

We can only offer her condolences and hope she rests in R.I.P.

We cannot even imagine what her family must be going through...

Below is a picture of her and shows the human face of malaria victims as opposed to meaningless impersonal statistics.

"A 21-year-old British aid worker has died of malaria while working in Kenya, it has emerged.

Christi Kelly was working with the Moving Mountains UK charity in the African country to try and improve social conditions.

She was three months into a 10-month volunteer placement when she was taken ill in the western county of Siaya.

Despite being rushed to hospital, Ms Kelly, from Ilfracombe in Devon, died on Wednesday.

Ms Kelly's family said she was taking anti-malaria tablets.


About 2,000 Britons are infected with malaria every year while abroad...."

http://i1.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article3602860.ece/alternates/s615/PAY--Christi-Kelly.jpg [nofollow]

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/british-aid-worker-aged-21-3602920 [nofollow]

 Experts said anti-malaria drugs have to be specific to the region the traveller is visiting as some tablets are not effective in certain places.

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The Telegraph has more details:-

Dr Colin Berry, of Cardiff University School of Biosciences, said: “Most malarial deaths occur in Sub Saharan Africa and most of them are children under the age of five.

“Africa is a particularly bad place for malaria. There are effective drugs but there are resistant parasites.

“In terms of the life-cycle of a parasite, once you’re bitten, the parasite goes to the liver and spends a couple of weeks there before it comes out into your blood

“If the drug level isn’t sufficient when the parasite enters the blood stage, there will be problems.

“Before going on a holiday, you wouldn’t go to a chemist and pick an anti malarial tablet off the shelf, you would have to go to a GP/travel clinic where they would look at where you were visiting.

“This is because one malaria tablet which may be effective in one country, may not be in another.”

 She was on her second overseas placement, having carried out environmental aid work in Borneo last year during a three month trip with Raleigh International.

Her mother, who has three other children, said: “She was full of life and a huge character, which is why everyone’s so devastated.

“She loved everyone, cared about everyone and drove everyone crazy. She loved life and she was too young.”

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/kenya/10853560/21-year-old-aid-worker-dies-from-malaria-in-Kenya.html [nofollow]
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Re: Could This Machine Save Malaria Victims?
« Reply #47 on: 24/05/2014 21:54:50 »
Ms Kelly's family said she was taking anti-malaria tablets

Quote from: patient.co.uk/doctor/malaria-prophylaxis
[Chemoprophylaxis] is not absolute, breakthrough infection can occur, and that risk avoidance is still necessary.
http://www.patient.co.uk/doctor/malaria-prophylaxis

If an effective malaria treatment can be had from alternating magnetic fields, e.g. one superior to current anti-malaria measures,  then repeat health-fraudster Mr Amrein has done the theory a considerable disservice by associating himself with it.

It's been over 4 years since Dave left his machine in Africa to be used by the natives.
Where is the "second study" follow-up report ? ,
[ Dave's been too busy in the intervening period selling sham impotence treatments ].

When Dave operated the malaria treatment apparatus it showed positive results within an hour, (so he says). What has been the success-rate during the 4+ years since ?.
Don't tell me, like his mental-mentor Hulda Clark, when the quack-remedy doesn't work blame other people , (e.g. the patient), for not following their protocol.
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Re: Could This Machine Save Malaria Victims?
« Reply #48 on: 25/05/2014 16:46:04 »

it seems to be a collection of links bashing her non stop.i wonder who funded it?
your quackbuster mr steve barrett?

Lets look at quackbusters:-

http://www.health-report.co.uk/quack_busters_scam_revealed.htm

who seems to have been in court for fraud

http://www.bolenreport.com/feature_articles/Doctor%27s-Data-v-Barrett/Doctor%27s-Data-v-barrett.htm

 On Friday June 18th, 2010 Doctor's Data Laboratory filed an eleven count lawsuit in the United States District Court for the Northern District of Illinois against Stephen J. Barrett, MD, the National Council Against Health Fraud Inc (NCAHF), Consumer Health Digest, and Quackwatch, Inc.



As far as I can tell from reports on line, many of those claims have already been thrown out by the judge because there's simply no supporting evidence.
http://www.quackwatch.com/14Legal/dd_suit.html
The case seems to be "on hold" at the moment.
So you certainly can't use it as a basis for saying the quackbusters are wrong. And, since Doctor's Data made claims they were unable to justify to the court, it's not making them look honest is it?
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Re: Could This Machine Save Malaria Victims?
« Reply #49 on: 25/05/2014 21:12:41 »
maybe not:-

http://www.anh-europe.org/news/quackbuster-stephen-barrett-md-loses-appeal-and-leaves-home-town [nofollow]


http://www.topix.com/forum/med/chiropractic/TH9NHSEDKI9GVJOKI [nofollow]

..in part jurors formed this view because Barrett testified with great
self-satisfaction in the Koren case that he had sued many
doctors-close to forty-in similar cases, demanding up to $100,000 if
they wished to avoid a costly lawsuit. Some paid-how many is yet to
be discovered. Drs. Koren and Rosenthal and a few others did
not. Barrett has failed to win a single lawsuit in this shakedown scheme.


He appears to be a blackmailer too.
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