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Biology is not a science
« on: 30/01/2019 06:51:33 »
Biology is not a science
http://gamahucherpress.yellowgum.com/wp-content/uploads/Bbiology-is-not-a-science.pdf

simply it could be said a science is

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clearly defined terminology, quantifiability, highly controlled experimental conditions, reproducibility and, finally, predictability and testability

but

biology does not meet the first criteria thus is not a science ie clearly defined terminology

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Biology is not a science
A science needs a system of classification through which it identifies the objects of its study

1) Biology is the study of life but Biologists don’t know what life is
Biologists don’t know what a species is-thus biologies classificatory system is meaningless nonsense

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Re: Biology is not a science
« Reply #1 on: 30/01/2019 19:54:51 »
If there are any biologists passing, I wonder if they can answer a question for me:
Do you study trolls?
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Re: Biology is not a science
« Reply #2 on: 31/01/2019 01:02:29 »
Damn, and I wanted gene therapy.
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Re: Biology is not a science
« Reply #3 on: 01/02/2019 20:19:18 »
Probably not worth posting...
Not d view, d OP...still,

Even Art is a science, & I guess so is Love.
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Re: Biology is not a science
« Reply #4 on: 01/02/2019 21:48:36 »
I would say that "Biology is becoming a science".

40 years ago, before gene sequencing was really practical and efficient, biology was in a similar state to:
- Astronomy, before Kepler's Laws
- Chemistry, before development of the periodic table
- ie lacking a coherent basis for understanding what is going on

Now that gene sequencing is much more affordable, we can see the places where genes reside (and some non-coding regions), but we don't know what most of them do. This is like filling in the holes when:
- Astronomy: You have some planets you know about, but there are hints that there may be more out there...
- Chemistry: You have a periodic table, but it has gaps you are trying to fill

But, like other sciences, biology plays out at many levels - you can have a qualitative understanding of one level, which becomes a deeper understanding when you understand the adjacent levels:
- Biology: You can see and understand the behavior of whole organisms, but it becomes more complete when you understand cells - and even better when you can read the DNA
- Astronomy: You can see the stars, but you understand them better when you understand how nuclear fusion works
- Chemistry: You can understand mixing chemicals in the lab, but you understand it better when you know about atoms, and even better when you understand the quantum behavior of electrons and nuclei.

However, we are still making slow progress on the most complicated level of biology - whole ecosystems. We can see the individual organisms, but how they will interact in the future is beyond us...
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Re: Biology is not a science
« Reply #5 on: 02/02/2019 21:06:18 »
If you require a field of science to have terminology that is completely unambiguous and universally accepted by everyone, I don't think you'll find a single field that fits the bill. Chemistry has oligomers and polymers, which do not have any hard line separating the two. Astronomy has planets, which are still not unambiguously defined despite the definition that was finally derived for them not all that long ago (just how cleared does the orbit have to be? Just how close to hydrostatic equilibrium is necessary?). The classification of rocks in geology has blurry boundaries.

I think a distinction needs to be made between "well-defined" and "sufficiently well-defined". If an evolutionary biologist is experimenting to see how long it takes for two separate populations of fruit flies to become reproductively isolated from each other, they can define "species" to suit that particular experiment and it will be good enough to get useful results out of it.
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Re: Biology is not a science
« Reply #6 on: 03/02/2019 09:45:45 »
Of course, we could accept that, since little or nothing is ever precisely defined, nothing is science.
At that point we need to coin a new word for "All the stuff that we used to call science, but it upset sim".

Or we could just continue to call it science.
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