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Re: Are light waves affected by gravity?
« on: 08/09/2017 07:22:31 »
if you do the double slit experiment in a vacuum, you will find light has no wave property.

the light source/laser can be in the air, a square glass bottle, on the 2 parallel inside walls are the slits and the screen. connect the bottle to a vacuum pump.

show the light wave interference on the screen first, then pump the air out.

as the air pressure gets lower and lower, the light pattern on the screen should be changing.

until a hard vacuum, it should be only 2 bright lines left on the screen right behind the slits.

how do you explain that?
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Re: Re: Are light waves affected by gravity?
« Reply #1 on: 08/09/2017 07:36:15 »
gravity only acts on the matter, time and space are not matter, have no mass.

if gravity can slow down light, why start light and flash light have the same speed?

gravity is attraction force between masses. f=G x m1m2/rr.

gravity has nothing to do with space and time. because space and time have no mass, space and time are not matter.

put the same clock on the sun and the earth for a day, earth clock will read 24 hours, sun clock will read fewer hours. which one is correct time? gravity affects the movement speed of the timer, gravity does not affect time itself, time is always now, no beginning, no end. time is ever changing existence.

there is no past or future but in our heads.
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Re: Re: Are light waves affected by gravity?
« Reply #2 on: 08/09/2017 08:09:22 »
light is not wave nor particle. light is vibrating electrostatic force carried by vibrating electrons.

light passes through matter/medium act as wave, light hits metal act as particle.
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Re: Are light waves affected by gravity?
« Reply #3 on: 08/09/2017 14:47:16 »
light does not propagate in vacuum space, there is no light in vacuum space.

light is electrons vibration force, only exist within matters, only propagate within matters/mediums.

black hole is impossible

all matters carry light

bigger mass, stronger light.


electrons can only move/vibrate along the plane perpendicular to the radius of the atoms on the surface of matters.

the electrical force/field is oscillating on the plane and the energy is propagating at 90 degrees.

this is all happening within matter/medium.

in the vacuum, the force between electrons on the sun surface and our outer atmosphere surface atoms instantly transfer the energy. pass it through the atmosphere to us.

the transverse wave only exists within matter.

man made em waves are a different story

the electrons vibrate a longer distance in the antenna, at much lower rate.


see the universe from an atom

understood how an atom is formed

understood all matters


none scientist, or any science paper, has a clear, rational, precise definition of energy.

what is energy?

energy is moving electrostatic force carried by moving matter.

magnetic force and gravity are both electrostatic force in a different configuration.

gravity is induced attraction force between neutrally charged masses.

magnetic force is caused by off center/polarized nuclear/enertron ball of atoms.

that is why magnetic force decays at 1/rrr.

ring a bell?



1 electron carries 1 negative charge

if we smash the electron into 1000000 equal pieces, each piece will carry 1/1000000 negative charge. Let's call it enertron.

since enertrons carry the same negative charge, they repel each other.

if we have a perfect bottle, which means no leakage, no react, like glass bottle to air.

we put 1000000 enertrons into the perfect bottle, since enertrons repel each other, they put a pressure on the bottle wall. let's measure and call that pressure 1 volt.

if we put 2000000 enertrons into the same bottle, the pressure on the wall should be 2 volts.

now if 1 enertron is moving or vibrating, the rest all enertrons will be energized.

that is the mechanism of light/quantum.


now if we put 1 positive charge into the perfect bottle, what will happen?

enertrons should be attracted by the positive charge and form a ball around it, the closer to the positive charge the denser enertron cloud. the density of the enertron is decay at 1/rrr due to the repulsion force between enertrons decay at 1/rr.

the enertron cloud is always vibrating, due to the existence of energy, the unbalance attraction force and repulsion force, within the enertron cloud and the center positive charge.

now image enertron is the real thing, it carries a tiny negative charge, something like 1/10^33 electron charge, but it has a stronger force field, similar to neodymium magnet compare with iron magnet.

image proton actually carries 918 positive charges, it attracted 917 total charges of enertrons formed a solid ball, 1 electron attached to the ball to form a neutrally charged hydrogen atom. 1 atomic weight equals to 1936 total charges, no matter positive or negative charges.

this is the realistic atomic structure.

atoms are solid balls, matter is not compressible. such as water.

if atoms are constructed as science told you, why matter is not compressible? electron shell/wave/cloud/orbital are negatively charged, they do not stick to positive changed nuclear is a magic, how can they stand any force/impact/reaction without crashing?


why is energy conserved?

if you push/put a moving force on any enertron with a force f, that force is spreading to all the enertrons in the bottle at light speed, they all are moving now, and cannot stop ever.

do we have a perfect bottle?

yes, every atom is a perfect bottle. all matters are a perfect bottle. energy has nowhere to go but bounce within and between matters.

the forces f=Ke x e1e2/rr and f=G x m1m2/rr are like perfect springs between/within matters, connected all matters in 1.


WHENEVER A NUCLEAR IS OFF CENTER, MAGNETIC FORCE IS PRODUCED DUE TO THE UNBALANCE ENERTRON DENSITY.

therefore, magnetic force is an electrostatic force in nature but decays at 1/rrr.
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Re: Re: Are light waves affected by gravity?
« Reply #4 on: 08/09/2017 15:52:20 »
Quote from: fuckedscience on 08/09/2017 08:09:22
light is not wave nor particle. light is vibrating electrostatic force carried by vibrating electrons.

light passes through matter/medium act as wave, light hits metal act as particle.
Ok, I personally like some of what you have ''said''.  But first before I ask about your notion in more detail , can you please firstly define what you mean when you say light?

The reason I ask this is because there is invisible light and visible light. By just saying light you are being general and not precise with your terms.
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Re: Are light waves affected by gravity?
« Reply #5 on: 08/09/2017 16:32:48 »
I just ask a simple question!
Are light waves affected by gravity? If so, does it change the wavelength or amplitude?
Which experiment or who proved?
« Last Edit: 08/09/2017 17:15:55 by kooklan »
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Re: Re: Are light waves affected by gravity?
« Reply #6 on: 08/09/2017 16:44:18 »
Quote from: Thebox on 08/09/2017 15:52:20
Quote from: fuckedscience on 08/09/2017 08:09:22
light is not wave nor particle. light is vibrating electrostatic force carried by vibrating electrons.

light passes through matter/medium act as wave, light hits metal act as particle.
Ok, I personally like some of what you have ''said''.  But first before I ask about your notion in more detail , can you please firstly define what you mean when you say light?

The reason I ask this is because there is invisible light and visible light. By just saying light you are being general and not precise with your terms.

so called em waves/radiations.

The sun is not shooting out light/em wave/photon/energy to every direction, it only shares its vibration em force with matters surround. the energy/force strength is proportional to sun's temperature and mass, inversely proportional to distance squared.

The sun's energy is from star formation, not from on going nuclear reaction.

The sun will never cool off a bit without other huge mass come closer.

To understand all this, must understand atom structure first.

for those believe our sun is a nuclear reactor, ask yourself few questions.

why does all the nuclear fuel not ignite at once?

how nuclear reaction produces heat/energy?

how the energy reaches earth?

if the sun has radiated out energy for 5 billion years, where is all that energy?

what is energy? moving force produced by moving mass?

without matter, there is no energy, no force, nothing. no us, no thought.

matter is made from charged particles.

opposite charged particles attract each other, they collide like magnet and iron ball. the impact force/energy becomes heat/thermal energy of the atoms.

the more atoms get together by gravity attraction, the more mass is added, the higher thermal energy density, the higher temperature.

so bigger star carries more energy, produces stronger light.

the energy is stored in vibrating atoms/charged particles.

the energy a star carry is the vibrating gravity and electrostatic force in its total mass/charges.

the sun's energy is from star formation, the sun is not an active nuclear reactor.

the energy cannot vanish into space but share with other matters surround according to their distance.

the sun's energy circling around earth as earth spins.

if energy can never leak/vanish into space, why all the fuels we used did not make earth warmer?

if you cut a channel between the ocean and a lake, the water level will be the same. if rained 1 foot into the lake, the water level will be still the same. the force between matters is the channel.

if rained 1 inch in the ocean, the lake will be flooded by i inch.

the sun's energy/vibrating electrostatic force/radiation stays within the upper atmosphere and moves around the earth.

transforming into smatter's movement, wind, clouds, waves,
photosynthesis and more.

we cannot create energy, all we can do is to use energy stored in fuels, in sunlight, and in moving matters.

forget about free energy, zero point energy, vacuum energy, magnetic energy generator.

solar, wind, tide, hydro are clean, renewable. low tech.

just $, cut space and war $, can we green the earth?
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Re: Re: Are light waves affected by gravity?
« Reply #7 on: 08/09/2017 19:34:58 »
Quote from: F'dscience on 08/09/2017 16:44:18
how nuclear reaction produces heat/energy?

Don't tell me you doubt the existence of nuclear bombs and nuclear power plants: exothermic nuclear reactions very clearly liberate heat and usable energy, whether you understand how or not.
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Re: Re: Are light waves affected by gravity?
« Reply #8 on: 09/09/2017 21:55:57 »
Quote from: F'dscience on 08/09/2017 07:22:31
if you do the double slit experiment in a vacuum, you will find light has no wave property.

If I do this experiment, and show that the outcome is exactly what  the normal rules of physics predict, will you drop this silly idea and never mention it anywhere ever again?
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Re: Are light waves affected by gravity?
« Reply #9 on: 10/09/2017 10:27:04 »
answer to the topic please
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Re: Re: Are light waves affected by gravity?
« Reply #10 on: 10/09/2017 10:39:14 »
Quote from: kooklan on 08/09/2017 16:32:48
I just ask a simple question!
Are light waves affected by gravity? If so, does it change the wavelength or amplitude?
Which experiment or who proved?
Yes it is.
The path of light is affected
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravitational_lens
and the wavelength is also affected.
http://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/0370-1328/84/2/307

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pound%E2%80%93Rebka_experiment
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Re: Re: Are light waves affected by gravity?
« Reply #11 on: 11/09/2017 06:21:13 »
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if you do the double slit experiment in a vacuum, you will find light has no wave property.
The optical properties of air are determined by its refractive index, which is around 1.000293.
This is almost identical to a vacuum, which is 1.000000.

So every time the double-slit experiment has been done in air, it has effectively been done in a vacuum, too.

About the only time that the difference in refractive index between air and a vacuum matters is when you have high-energy cosmic rays or subatomic particles from an accelerator; these exceed the speed of light in air (but not in a vacuum).

But since the dual-slit experiment with light involves no such high-energy massive particles, the results in air are equally valid in a vacuum.

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why does all the (Sun's) nuclear fuel not ignite at once?
You may be thinking that the Sun is like a Hydrogen bomb (very much in the news, these days), which does release a lot of energy all at once.

But there is a big difference in the fuel: Hydrogen bombs use a mixture of Deuterium and Tritium, which have more neutrons than protons, so they "stick together" via the strong nuclear force. The Sun's fuel consists of protons, which rely on the weak nuclear force to achieve fusion, which is an incredibly slow process.

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the sun's energy is from star formation, the sun is not an active nuclear reactor.
The nuclear processes inside the Sun emit neutrinos via the weak nuclear force (just like neutrinos are emitted from some reactions going on inside a Uranium-fueled nuclear reactor).

Solar neutrinos were first detected in the mid-1960s. Later observations of neutrinos at various distances from a nuclear reactor showed that neutrino oscillation exists, and explained why the nuclear output of the Sun initially seemed only 1/3 of the theoretical prediction.

Now, theory and experiment are aligned, and the full power output of the Sun is explained by nuclear reactions in its core.

By analysing the spectrum of emitted neutrinos, you can even see the exact mix of nuclear reactions here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_neutrino

You can see that the bulk of it is proton-proton (p-p), a very slow process; a very small fraction is due to oxygen and nitrogen catalysts (a faster process, but still much slower than deuterium-tritium fusion).
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