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Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 20/05/2024 09:05:17What's the similarities and differences between morality and economics//www.youtube.com/watch?v=qm6VyiiLdq0?U.S. Gov. Can?t Go Bankrupt - We Print Our Own Money!? Says Biden?s AdvisorQuoteBiden economic adviser Jared Bernstein delivers a word salad on how the Fed works.It's dangerous to let misinformed people affect decisions that would have significant impacts on larger society.
What's the similarities and differences between morality and economics
Biden economic adviser Jared Bernstein delivers a word salad on how the Fed works.
Eating humans can't be a universal terminal goal. There are places and time where it cannot be achieved, eg. before humans even existed, and everywhere else other than the earth.
Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 31/05/2024 17:35:12Eating humans can't be a universal terminal goal. There are places and time where it cannot be achieved, eg. before humans even existed, and everywhere else other than the earth.If your definition of a TG requires a guess as to the goals of species that have not yet evolved, and ignores the goals of those that exist, it has no basis in fact, and is personal, not universal.
The concept of species arises not only from the morphology but also the behavior of living things. At its simplest, some living things eat or poison others, thus establishing a clear division of goals, say between plants and animals, and further exploration of the difference in goals leads us towards classification in termjs of species.The concept is an aid to clear thinking.
However you define universal and terminal, it is clear that they cannot be applied simultaneously to goal.
Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 11/06/2021 06:40:32Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 05/06/2021 22:41:27The only similarity applicable to every conscious being, regardless of their shape, form, size, and ingredients, is that they want to extend the existence of consciousness further into the future.I realise that I have expressed the idea of universal terminal goal in some different ways. I feel that this one is the least controversial and easiest to follow. So, I think I have arrived to the final conclusion about universal terminal goal. It came from definitions of each word in the phrase, and take their implications into account. Goal is the noun, while terminal and universal are the adjectives that describe the noun.The word Goal means preferred state or condition in the future. If it's not preferred, it can't be a goal. If it's already happened in the past, it can't be a goal either. Although it's possible that the goal is to make future condition similar to preferred condition in the past as reference. The preference requires the existence of at least one conscious entity. Preference can't exist in a universe without consciousness, so can't a goal. add: The definition of goal can be made more compact to become "pursued condition". Because the word "pursue" already implies preference and future condition.The word Terminal requires that the goal is seen from the persepective of conscious entities that exist in the furthest conceivable future. If the future point of reference is too close to the present, it would expire soon and the goal won't be usable anymore.The word Universal requires that no other constraint should be added to the goal determined by aforementioned words. The only valid constraints have already been set by the words goal and terminal.I've summarized the core concepts of the thread into some videos which I collected in a playlist.https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLZ2PyRUoub7jJFt6uQ8Osxdg8zLtLN_1m
Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 05/06/2021 22:41:27The only similarity applicable to every conscious being, regardless of their shape, form, size, and ingredients, is that they want to extend the existence of consciousness further into the future.I realise that I have expressed the idea of universal terminal goal in some different ways. I feel that this one is the least controversial and easiest to follow.
The only similarity applicable to every conscious being, regardless of their shape, form, size, and ingredients, is that they want to extend the existence of consciousness further into the future.
In the beginning of the universe, all was darkness ? until the first organisms developed sight, which ushered in an explosion of life, learning and progress. AI pioneer Fei-Fei Li says a similar moment is about to happen for computers and robots. She shows how machines are gaining "spatial intelligence" ? the ability to process visual data, make predictions and act upon those predictions ? and shares how this could enable AI to interact with humans in the real world.
You seem to interpret "universal" as an additional requirement applied to the concept of goal which we already have in mind. On the contrary, you should interpret it as a prohibition from adding more requirement to the concept of goal that has been previously defined. This backward thinking has inevitably led you to the wrong conclusion.
Quote from: hamdani yusuf on Yesterday at 05:05:26You seem to interpret "universal" as an additional requirement applied to the concept of goal which we already have in mind. On the contrary, you should interpret it as a prohibition from adding more requirement to the concept of goal that has been previously defined. This backward thinking has inevitably led you to the wrong conclusion.You use the word "preferred". Preferred by who or what? I have shown you that different conscious entities (by which I presume you mean living things) have different, competing and even mutually exclusive preferences.
The great diversity of human cultures together with the even greater diversity in living creatures absolutely rules out any common goal. QED.
Over the course of human medicine, new advances have arisen through two processes: Discovery and Engineering. With the rise of generative AI, many new biotechnologies will arise through another word: Generate.Billions of years of Nature's discoveries have created the living world around us and an extraordinary diversity of protein molecules, which serve as the engines of life and a large portion of modern medicines. Despite the immensity of protein diversity in biology, Nature and medicine have only had the opportunity to sample a minuscule fraction of the vast expanses of possible proteins. Inspired generative AI advances in images and language several years ago, we asked "What if ... we can generate biology?" Our results in generating antibodies, proteins, and peptides hint at a new era of Generative Biology to come, where generative AI and machine intelligence help us understand the language of DNA, the functions it encodes for the bounty of protein machines and medicines, and the secrets to creating extraordinary new medicines. This talk was given at a TEDx event using the TED conference format but independently organized by a local community.