[puppypower (OP)]

The Entropic force is the subject of this topic. This fifth force is connected to entropy and free energy. This is why I took the energy balance approach.

Mass transfer is not the best way to go when you are talking about osmosis, entropic force and a semi-permeable membrane. It adds confusion and bogs down the topic on a tangent that is not relevant. I took the time to make a bridge, and now your doing a self righteous lap. Hopefully you can stay on topic in the future.

The pressure head created by osmosis contains potential energy, which is part of the system energy balance. The balancing of the concentration, on both sides of the membrane, if possible, would result in no pressure head. The pressure head that appears at steady state reflects how far away we are from a balance of concentrations. The system is not able to get there due to the semi-permeable membrane. However, the potential energy helped me to isolate the entropic force.

Below is a cool Youtube link shows entropic force vectors at work driving ameboid locomotion. Life can control mass transfer with membranes, and thereby isolate directional entropic force vectors.

https://youtu.be/bj1QLpHWNxE

[Bored chemist]

Hopefully you can stay on topic in the future.

Pointing out that you were wrong (repeatedly, because you tried to pretend that you were right) is part of the topic because you introduced some obvious nonsense to the topic.

Do you accept that you were repeatedly wrong, and that you wasted my time as well as yours by trying to pretend that you were right?

Will you do that again, or have you grown up?

The pressure head created by osmosis contains potential energy,

Yes, that's because liquid is forced up against gravity.
The force involved is called weight.
It's the one which most of us first get to understand.

Why are you trying to pretend that it is some new mysterious one?

[Bored chemist]

Below is a cool Youtube link shows entropic force vectors at work driving ameboid locomotion.

It's a fine video.
The locomotion of amoeba is driven by electrostatic forces.
Nothing to do with this new one you keep imagining.

Hopefully you can stay on topic in the future.

[puppypower (OP)]

Below is a cool Youtube link shows entropic force vectors at work driving ameboid locomotion.

It's a fine video.
The locomotion of amoeba is driven by electrostatic forces.
Nothing to do with this new one you keep imagining.

Hopefully you can stay on topic in the future.

Osmotic pressure, where pressure equals force/area, is a colligative property meaning it only depends on the concentration of solutes and not the EM characteristic of the solute. Can you show us your proof this is driven by EM forces?

[Bored chemist]

Below is a cool Youtube link shows entropic force vectors at work driving ameboid locomotion.

It's a fine video.
The locomotion of amoeba is driven by electrostatic forces.
Nothing to do with this new one you keep imagining.

Hopefully you can stay on topic in the future.

Osmotic pressure, where pressure equals force/area, is a colligative property meaning it only depends on the concentration of solutes and not the EM characteristic of the solute. Can you show us your proof this is driven by EM forces?

That only makes sense if you think amoeba move only by osmosis.
In the real world, they are driven my myosin or actin based systems- those systems are electrostatic in nature.
Still nothing to do with osmosis.

[puppypower (OP)]

The entropy of the universe has to increase according to the second law. While an increase in entropy  will absorb energy. The net affect of the second law is a constant net loss of useable energy from the universe, since more and more energy becomes tied up in ever increasing entropy. Entropy can be reversed, on a local scale, but there is always more energy lost than gained, based on the second law.

The net affect is entropy is like an endothermic sink, that drains the universe of its useable energy. This energy is conserved, but it is not fully accessible. This ever increasing pool of dead energy changes the status quo of the universe; vector of time. This net drain of energy, implied by the second law, is the potential behind the entropic force.

The entropic force has a vector and can be used to retrieve some of the lost energy so it can be used. However, the pool of dead energy will still net increase because of the second law. A good example was matter and antimatter becoming only matter. This reflected a large loss of entropy and the retrieval of dead energy. Matter gained an entropic potential; radial vector.

[Bored chemist]

The entropic force has a vector

Does it point North or South?

[puppypower (OP)]

The entropic force has a vector

Does it point North or South?

The second law states that the entropy of the universe has to increase over time.Therefore the  entropic vector is in the direction of the future. Time-space is a better way to describe the entropic vector, than is space-time. Space-time works easier with the other four forces.

In the case of osmosis, the experimental apparatus will establish the entropic potential. The vector in space is based on experimental decisions or conventions made in the past as the experiment was set up. It will not just go north or south or east or west, but is connected to a sequences of actions taken in time.

With reverse osmosis, we can use pressure to lower the entropy of the experiment. In this case, resetting the entropic potential points the vector toward a past state, that also lies within the future, since entropy can lower, but the action will also increase entropy to obey the second law.

Gravity will lower entropy using force within the radial space aspect of the time-space. However, this will be exothermic and will increase entropy in other ways. In the case of a star, the entropic vector will eventually right itself to the future; time-space, but via a new path due to gravity based phases changes within space-time.

[Bored chemist]

Therefore the  entropic vector is in the direction of the future.

So, it's not a force then.

Why not stop wasting time by pretending that it is?

[Bored chemist]

Time-space is a better way to describe the entropic vector, than is space-time. Space-time works easier with the other four forces.

In the case of osmosis, the experimental apparatus will establish the entropic potential. The vector in space is based on experimental decisions or conventions made in the past as the experiment was set up. It will not just go north or south or east or west, but is connected to a sequences of actions taken in time.

With reverse osmosis, we can use pressure to lower the entropy of the experiment. In this case, resetting the entropic potential points the vector toward a past state, that also lies within the future, since entropy can lower, but the action will also increase entropy to obey the second law.

Gravity will lower entropy using force within the radial space aspect of the time-space. However, this will be exothermic and will increase entropy in other ways. In the case of a star, the entropic vector will eventually right itself to the future; time-space, but via a new path due to gravity based phases changes within space-time.

Word salad.

[puppypower (OP)]

The second law states that entropy has to increase. This increase is connected to time. Entropy increases over time but not necessarily in any particular physical direction in x,y,z. Entropy and time both increase to the future. The second law is clear on the entropic force vector.

An osmosis experiment sets up a physical limitation; membrane, so there can also be a directional vector for the entropic force, not just in time, but also in space; toward the pressure head. This is easier to model with time-space since the space vector created by the position of the membrane and the curvature of the glass tubing, can be placed in any direction, but time has to move forward.

In quantum physics the observer can impact the outcome. This is because one influence the entropic force based on how you set up the experiment. The vector is still to the future but the entropic force scaler can be modified by your apparatus.

[Bored chemist]

. Entropy increases over time but not necessarily in any particular physical direction i

Which is exactly why it isn't a force.

Also, if  you multiply it be a distance, you don't get an energy.
You can't use it to squash a spring.

It just isn't a force.