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Speculating: Is everything an universe of itself?
« on: 24/09/2020 02:21:29 »
Only speculating, what makes THE universe so unique to be studied?
  Isn't my house the universe from the point of view of the inhabitants of the marble that I'm holding over my hand?

  The Marble Earth and the universal house would have different rules and constants when in contrast to the Earth universe wouldn't they?

  The point, i believe is: I look at the Marble Earth, it funnels space as much as space considers it, attributing to it a temporal mass effect that lasts and is recreated at C.
 The funnel the Marble produces, now is measured from a virtual horizon that my room provides, and my room is too small so the planet's horizon provides measurement, acting as a rule for how much "time" the Marble should receive for its mass, and this mass how much time it takes for communicating back with the environment...

 I'm seeing multiple funnels with objects stored in them, floating inside the funnels, being levitated by a sort of falling /accelerating constant, while mass insist for them to stay inside the funnel...so they are actually on the same place, andis the funnel that is moving in function of the objects.
  Now if the Marble is to communicate with another Marble on my other hand, it must "climb up" it's funnel, and move straight towards the other funnel, and then it will have to "climb down" inside it's time, the both aspects happening at the same time...

 If of a certain geometry, time "starts to take (too much) time" for the line to communicate with the other side of the opposite funnel, and the C frames start to be elongated to make sure the communication is happening, even if the straight line is to become a curved one, and after more time, space decides to start to mold itself to match the parameters and needs to suit the communication from A to B...

 If my radio signal can no longer reach the radio tower as it "need to do by law", the radio tower or my receptor must be dragged towards me in compensation, or me to it... if "I'm at multiple locations at the time", the signal would choose to be updated in pulses...

 Mind a little bit off at the starting of building an idea, but: Is time a vortex in space geometry  caused by mass effect to be scaled up and or down? If so, gravity should be erased from the dictionary along with the considerations of it's very existence as a thing?

 if time takes too much time to climb out the pit, it is delayed forever away from it's original strain, it tries to adopt another , wondering if mass it's not lossless time, as if a portion the expansion lost it's bus, or perhaps decided that it has already arrived at the end of that local universe, unable to leave, stays there, forever... as long as that interference exists.
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Re: Speculating: Is everything an universe of itself?
« Reply #1 on: 24/09/2020 09:01:27 »
Quote from: Alex Dullius Siqueira on 24/09/2020 02:21:29
Isn't my house the universe from the point of view of the inhabitants of the marble that I'm holding over my hand?
Not if they can see out of the window.
Quote from: Alex Dullius Siqueira on 24/09/2020 02:21:29
The Marble Earth and the universal house would have different rules and constants when in contrast to the Earth universe wouldn't they?
No
For example, this
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rydberg_formula#For_hydrogen
would still hold true , whichever universe you were in.
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Re: Speculating: Is everything an universe of itself?
« Reply #2 on: 25/09/2020 14:01:17 »
I may have expressed it badly.
I'm wondering if we while using "the universe" as a boundary, even no being for our minds it acts as if it was.
 If into doing so we are not blinding our perception, when considering, for example universal expansion.
 That we may have be missing the whole scene.
 For instance, a question:
 What prevents the small inhabitants of the moon, to think that gravity of an invisible Earth is the expanding universe?
 Wouldn't they be one and the same, sure the laws to be the same, but the perception may shift.
 To the point that what they thought that was a forever endless field, was but the expansion bouncing over the Earth.
 Earth relationship with the expansion here, acting on the role of "an interference" on its configuration, Earth being misread as (the impossible edge), ort better to say (one of multiple impossible edges), from the electron to the sun, all offerencig to space a different possible "impossibility", as if the expansion as reaching the Earth has as only possible answer to stay there stored, and or, to self update again and again, which would be the same as being stored with potential.
 Guess I'm looking for alternative views where the expansion would have being gravity and both the same, only one existing, wondering if determining, multiple candidates to the expansion, rather the main one, inside out big bang, would not suffice...

If so, on this case, if instead of matter, could energy produce gravity to the extend to start to expand the whole within it?

 The Universe is expanding forever, that based on out scale perception and the direction we decided to look from, could it be the case that every mass is an virtual end of The Universe? If one chooses it to be, based on an endless goal that never shifts, not depends, only is: Forever expanding towards forever, for I have never set a B point or cause to relate with?
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Re: Speculating: Is everything an universe of itself?
« Reply #3 on: 26/09/2020 11:59:35 »
Our universe started with small things such as sub particles. These tiniest of things combined to form larger things, which became too large to be expressed at the smallest level. Each level has has its own properties.

This particle scaling continued into chemistry which is more or less the platform for the rest of the scaling. There we have planets, mountains, oceans and then life. Life itself scaled from single then to multicellular. All these levels of scaling occur by means of the attractive forces and an increase of entropy.

The most advanced or highest levels of scaling contain all the previous levels down to the sub particles. However, the loss of free energy; enthalpy and entropy, at each level of scaling, makes the lower levels more stable and tame. This focuses the scaling at the higher levels, so they can further evolve in a way that is appropriate to its own level of scale. 

In a sense, each level of scale is its own universe, due to its properties being more or less self contained at that scale. The highest level of scale, encompass all the rest, down to the smallest, with the smallest less dominate to the overall affect. It is like nesting dolls.
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Re: Speculating: Is everything an universe of itself?
« Reply #4 on: 29/10/2020 23:03:02 »
Hi,
In my opinion, I think that something can be a universe if itself. This may  be because the object/ organism interacts chemically and physically with other objects/organisms or forces which in turn interact with other things. The interactions are complex, like what happens in the normal universe; Events that trigger other events to create and destroy things in the process.

The object might also be creating its own timeline( if you get what I am saying).
From,
Salik Imran.
« Last Edit: 29/10/2020 23:06:19 by Slickscientist »
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