[puppypower (OP)]

The brain has software, hardware and firmware. Placing a probe in the hardware of the brain will  not give you all the needed information to determine choice and determinism. The analogy is placing a probe inside a computer's hardware, while various software is running. What is going to happen depends on the software.There is more going on in the brain than what the hardware does. Consciousness is closer to software, albeit assisted by hardware via firmware.

For example, pain level is not an easy thing for doctors to determine in terms of their patients. This causes problems in terms of prescribing drugs for pain. Pain can be different in different people under the same circumstances. It can also be faked by some for free drugs.

A probe into hardware of the body, where the pain appears to originate, cannot tell us pain level. The nuance of pain level requires the consciousness of the patient, telling the doctor  what they feel, from the inside. Consciousness is like a probe to the software. There is inside data being generated in the brain that cannot be seen from the outside. This data is real, but the doctor cannot always verify it from the outside. The philosophy of science breaks down when it comes to consciousness, since third person data alone is not complete.

Say you were a scientist, who has volunteered to be brain hardware probed, to see where in the brain and body the pain is centered. The other scientists in this study, will follow the philosophy of science and look at your brain hardware response, in the third person, detached from any pain. You as the test subject will be inflected with various types of pain; drill a tooth. You as the test subject will get to experience pain from the inside your own body. Your job is to relate the software and firmware extrapolations, on your mind and body, in the first person.

You may see lots of data processing occurring from the direction of nerve pulses to memories of the past. If the pain is too severe, you may not be able remain fully objective and do you job. This is why doctors are not allowed to operate on themselves. It is different from the inside. The first person data is not the same as the third person data and can impact the focus of consciousness since consciousness may have to process too much data. 

There is more going besides what the third person science hardware probe will see. However, inside data; first hand software and firmware data, is not exactly reproducible. In the case of pain, different test subjects will see it differently. This data is objective to each person but it is subjective as a group; both objective and subjective. However, this type of data is also needed to make the analysis complete, even though this first hand firmware and software data does not fully obey the philosophy of science. There is no machine or fellow human who can verify you and reproduce your exact results. Hardware science of the brain is half baked at best, and should be understood as only part of the data needed to fully define the phenomena of consciousness. Third hand data approach of science is good for looking at a rock, since a rock does not think.

The two centers of consciousness may not be easily seen with only a hardware approach. These are not localized affects, but are wired throughout the brain to allow the integrated affects that we attribute to consciousness; firmware. However, they do appear to come to a focus at the level of firmware and software. This inference requires inside data from the first person since software is not the same as hardware, and needs a software approach to see it. 

If I was to guess, the inner self would be wired into the center of the brain; thalamus region. The thalamus is the most wired part of the brain. It is the central switching station and it merges input and output from all parts of the brain. Making use of the most wired  part of the brain would make most sense in terms of natural selection; inner self consciousness. This would allow the inner self to have its finger in all pies; firmware on top of hardware.

The ego center appears to be more located in the cerebral matter. The inner self is firmware while the learned knowledge of the ego, implies that the ego is partial firmware but also software based. Both centers can be active and integrated at the same time, via input and output loops from the thalamus. With the thalamus as the central switching station, software command lines from the ego; walk, will go to the thalamus, where long term natural wiring patterns allow the body to integrate the walk, with little ego support needed, besides steering.

[puppypower (OP)]

If you look at neurons, they are unique in that they stop dividing quite early in life. The rest of our cells will continue to replicate to create replacement cells or stop dividing. Examples of the latter are sperm cells and red blood cells which form and die. AN example of the former are skin cells constantly form. But neurons stop replicating very early in life and the same old neuron can live on for another 80-100 years. No other cell is quite like this. Lack of replication, among others things, zeros out replication mutations; stable long term memory. Neurons are part of the body's control system with a very stable early life system set point.

When mother cells prepare for cell cycles, they actively stockpile food and materials; energy and resources. When they have enough energy and resources they can start a cell cycle. Neurons appear to be so energy intensive; firing, plus they exist behind a blood brain barrier, that they cannot build enough resources to replicate. Fairly early on, neurons branch and form synapses and then soon the energy intensive firing begins to inhibit replication resources. This is useful to the body, since long term memories can be maintained, without the mutation changes that neuron replication could cause. The inner self is built on this long term hardware foundation.

Neurons, although they will never replicate, they continue to grow via branching; axons and dendrites. At the junctions between; synapses, is where memory is. This branching layer of the neuron can  be understood as firmware built on the neuron's stable hardware.

At the level of the neuron body, the DNA is in a state of always working but never taken off-line too duplicate. This allows the firmware; memory, to stays online, since the scaffolding from the branches to the DNA never dissolve for the needs of making/separating two daughter cells. Memory is less in flux than the body. We can still feel young even when old.

[Zer0]

And...the Question is???

Are You tryin to make a point?

Looks more like a thesis.
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I donno wat to make out of all your words.
🤔
Can anyone Help?

[puppypower (OP)]

And...the Question is???

Are You tryin to make a point?

Looks more like a thesis.
👍

I donno wat to make out of all your words.
🤔
Can anyone Help?

Those posts were in response to the topic of will power and choice. Others in the topic were discussing brain experiments that tracked the reaction of the brain to choice based stimulus, to see if the brain was processing, what we call choice, first, at a pre-conscious level. If so what we feel as will and choice would actually be determinism.

I was trying to point out that the brain and consciousness is not just hardware, as these hardware experiments were assuming. The brain is not like an old fashion clock composed of little gears so the hardware; gear ratios, alone can define all output responses. Consciousness is more fluid and would be more like the modern approach of a digital clock that has both software and hardware.

Like a computer, if you probe just the hardware, you have no clue which software is running since all software can use the same hardware. That type of research data, although consistent with the philosophy of science, is half baked when it comes to consciousness and ambiguous things like will power and choice.

Next, I felt it would be useful to explain the duality of consciousness; software and hardware, and the brain by detailing some of the considerations needed to address the brain's operating system.  I also suggested a different type of experiment based on the researcher becoming both the experiment and the scientist; self observation of externally induced operating system output. This type of data is closer to what we need to supplement the hardware approach. However, it starts to go outside the philosophy of science, since the data is often unique and cannot be easily verified or reproduced by other teams.

This type of data is needed to address will power and choice, however software is much different from hardware. So you do need a new approach. You cannot just place two probes onto a DVD to know the code, but rather you have to change the format; print out, to help process that data. So I thought I would get deeper into both the hardware and software to show how they connect. It is not simple but has many pieces.

The last entry was about how neurons stop replicating very early in our life and remain the same neuron for rest of out lives. This is the foundation of consciousness. Neurons will grow branches, but they never replicate again to become something slightly different; daughter cells, due to replication mutations. This lack of replication allows the body of the neuron and its DNA to avoid mutations caused by replication, which science often equates as a main source of change for evolution. They are not designed to evolve in place in a traditional hardware way; mutation.

Neurons maintain a solid OEM based DNA foundation, that can last for decades. This provides a  consistent system restore point for healing the body via nervous integration to healing. It also allows the neurons to integrate all firmware changes within its branches, with epigenetic change on the OEM DNA;  the never changing foundation. The changes in firmware and the epigenetic changes on the DNA are connected to sensory input and learning, both rooted in the foundation DNA. This allows the inner self a connection all the way to the DNA; while still maintaining the OEM DNA set point.

Cellular replication typically involves the dissolving of the mother cell's scaffolding which rigs and wires the inside of the cell; microtubules. Neurons not replicate, so they do not lose their OEM wiring, allowing the inner wiring to extend into the outer wiring of the dendrites and axons, and vice versa.

Epigenetic changes are change that do not alter the DNA hardware; base pairing. The DNA does not change in terms of any base or base pair. Instead epigenetic changes is another layer that can  alter the expressions of genes; protein cues that can divert or rewrite the OEM DNA intent. The epigenetic layer is a type of a firmware layer on the DNA hardware. The DNA does not have room to address every situation in life. Interaction, learning and forward integration; wisdom, places this epigenetic firmware onto the OEM DNA, to enhance its real time capacity; Consciousness.   

 

[Zer0]

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Hmmmm!
Now i get it...Gee Thanx!
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Have You ever in your life seen a sliced broken into two halves motherboard computer boot up?

Ever heard music from half a piece of a broken record or dvd?

Ever watched a blockbuster movie on a half split monitor?

Ps - The Brain ain't hardware or software... it's Different.
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(Neuroplasticity)

[puppypower (OP)]

🙄

Hmmmm!
Now i get it...Gee Thanx!
😊

Have You ever in your life seen a sliced broken into two halves motherboard computer boot up?

Ever heard music from half a piece of a broken record or dvd?

Ever watched a blockbuster movie on a half split monitor?

Ps - The Brain ain't hardware or software... it's Different.
🧠
(Neuroplasticity)

If I extrapolate your music and record analogy, a live symphony orchestra being recorded on an old 78rpm shellac based record, will still be the same song, as one recorded on vinyl records, cassette tapes, CD, DVD or solid state memory. The hardware does not define the song. However, the hardware does has an impact on fidelity, resolution and accuracy relative to the original symphony playing the song that is being recorded.

Many animals have better sensory resolution than do humans; hawk and dogs. However, their storage media does not have the same type of fidelity, so the song sounds somewhat flat to them making it easier for their instincts. In terms of the human brain and ego consciousness, many signals are unconscious; subliminal, since the conscious mind and ego does not use the highest resolution hardware the brain has to offer. The operating system; inner self, makes use of this needed hardware. It is not easy for the ego to think in 3-D and 4-D, so super high resolution would be a waste and may even add confusion; esoteric and intuitive. 

Internal observations can allow one to move about the data streams and pick up raw data, even if one may not know what it is supposed to mean. A hardware approach cannot see this nuance, until an internal approach helps to draw a better map. 

I am going to change directions and begin to talk about water and the brain. I do jump around since the full answer need all these parts. The organics and inorganic of the living state, will not be alive without water. If we dehydrate any level of the living state, from an enzyme to an entire cell,  what we call life ends. If use any other solvent, life does not reappear and most things will not even work. The organics are important, but they do not define life.

The reverse is also true in that life does not spontaneously appear within pure water, without the hardware support of the organics and inorganic. They need each other to generate the affect called life, with each a co-partner. One will not work without the other. In terms of this relationship, the organics and inorganic is like the hardware, while water is like fluid firmware. Water functions at the level of reversible secondary bonding make it very fluid.

Water defines the 3-D packing and shapes of the organic materials. It scaffolds the hardware in specific ways needed for their activity. Other solvents would do the same thing, but the end result will be the wrong shape for life activity. These various types of firmware; solvents, each tells the hardware how to orientate, with only water able to do this successfully for all the materials so life can appear. The organic robot; organic materials, needs to move in certain ways for it to appear alive, with the water naturally telling the hardware how to orientate, based on eons of natural selection at the nano-scale. If we change solvent a different set of moves appear among the parts, that is not very pretty.

The water co-partner of life within the brain, deals with very advanced organic materials, that is spread out so it is part of an integrated life affect, with this integrated affect even leading to consciousness, which is an even higher level of the living state.

All this fancy organic material in the brain and it integration needed for life, makes no sense out of the context of the water, since nothing will work properly without water micromanaging at the nanoscale. There appears to be reverse scaffolding, caused by the organics, that have been set up by water; for life, which reverse impacts the water. This changes the behavior of the water so it can impact the organics with new layer; fluid consciousness.

[Bored chemist]

However, their storage media does not have the same type of fidelity,

You have no basis in evidence for saying that, do you?
You have never been inside a hawk's head. But that doesn't stop you posting as if it was actually science, rather than something you made up.
But here's a thought for you.
The purpose of the bird's excellent eyesight is to allow it to spot a rabbit at 1000 feet (or whatever).
It does that by comparing the image  it sees to the recollection of "what a distant rabbit looks like".
If the recollection wasn't equally high resolution, the rabbit would be "lost" in the quantisation or noise.

So it seems to me that your pontification is wrong.

Water defines the 3-D packing and shapes of the organic materials. It scaffolds the hardware in specific ways needed for their activity.

You can actually use water as scaffolding if you are building an igloo.
In other circumstances, it fails.

[puppypower (OP)]

However, their storage media does not have the same type of fidelity,

You have no basis in evidence for saying that, do you?
You have never been inside a hawk's head. But that doesn't stop you posting as if it was actually science, rather than something you made up.
But here's a thought for you.
The purpose of the bird's excellent eyesight is to allow it to spot a rabbit at 1000 feet (or whatever).
It does that by comparing the image  it sees to the recollection of "what a distant rabbit looks like".
If the recollection wasn't equally high resolution, the rabbit would be "lost" in the quantisation or noise.

So it seems to me that your pontification is wrong.

Water defines the 3-D packing and shapes of the organic materials. It scaffolds the hardware in specific ways needed for their activity.

You can actually use water as scaffolding if you are building an igloo.
In other circumstances, it fails.

If we could see like a hawk, the human brain would not stop at seeing the rabbit at 1000 ft, and then swooping down to catch it. Our brains will try to extrapolate that cool data in other ways that may not be connected to this day's hunt. We may notice it has pretty markings. We have access to more extrapolated nuance, that is not really needed for the day's hunt.

The hawk has clarity, but less fidelity; extrapolated nuance, and therefore can focus on the task at hand. He does not care about the third violin or the leopard spots on the rabbit. His focus is more efficient for his instinctive needs.  Humans often have a harder time focusing, due to too much fidelity and/or noise. If you listen to a high definition sound system, you will start to hear details which you may never have noticed, which can cause you to drift away from the song.

In terms of the human brain, hunches and intuitions are somewhat common fast data processing affects, which need to be slowed down, before they can become fully conscious. A gut feeling; fast data stream can make one sense something, but one cannot always be put into words; into the slow language of culture. If you try to translate, the initial output can seem esoteric, when put into words, since only bits and pieces are conscious, but not the entire thing. Creative people sense these faster data streams all the time based on internal data stream observations; writers block until the data stream is slowed down enough to language process. 

Picture recording someone giving you instructions on how to build your new book self; 10 minutes audio stream. I will speed this up, so it plays back in only 1 minute; fastest data speed. You may be able to pick up bits and pieces, but most of it will be sound like a blur or buzz of an insect.

If you play many times, picking up bits and pieces and then assembling these, in the context of a bookshelf,  you may start to get gist; eureka. This type of data is not conscious in most people, since like the hawk, it would make it harder to focus on the tasks at hand. The ego can actually do better without it. The ego is not designed to go too fast. But if one wishes to learn about the inner self and the brain's operating system, this type of data exercise allows one to develop ways tap into faster streams; make them more conscious, so you can learn to develop a translation link.

Water 

In terms of liquid water scaffolding organic structures, this is based on things like surface tension, free energy, hydrogen bonding and cooperative hydrogen bonding. The best way to visualize this for an entire cell is since water is the main molecule of life; based on numbers,  and it can form four hydrogen bonds with other water; very stable bonding arrangement, water leads the free energy balance. The others things; organics will pack and segregate to accommodate the free energy needs of the water. Nothing in a cell will work without water. Water led the natural selection process at the nanoscale to accommodate water.

Those pesky organics within the continuous water matrix, add surface tension. The water seeks to minimize this free energy and disruption in its hydrogen bonding so it can get back to dancing like it is pure water. To do so, it will pack proteins, for example, starting with their most reduced amino acids, to lower the main source of the excess surface tension and free energy. The packing order is very specific; worse to best in terms of the water, so those pesky organics will have minimal impact on the water collective. This is good for the organics since they become packed in ways that are reproducible; fastest free energy path for the water, and now active for the needs of life.

These pesky organics, like enzymes, when packed properly, can allow the surface water to go beyond itself; cooperative hydrogen bonding. This push in the better than normal direction for water, can help water neutralize residuals within the water continuum, so the water collective can approach pure.

The cooperative hydrogen bonding in the water around the enzyme helps to scaffolds the enzyme. This is useful to the enzyme in that when this water is disrupted, such as by ATP, it will release free energy via an increase in the cooperative water entropy. This has an endothermic affect; needs energy, to feed the increased entropy. This water based energy suction, helps the enzyme pull the substrate up the energy hill, while the enzyme pushes. After the reaction, the water quickly resets the cooperative; exothermic, to put the enzyme back into its proper place. 

[Bored chemist]

The hawk has clarity, but less fidelity

What are you using that word to mean?

[Bored chemist]

allow the surface water to go beyond itself

Word salad

[puppypower (OP)]

The hawk has clarity, but less fidelity
What are you using that word to mean?

The input device of the hawk; eyes, have a high level of clarity. However, as these optical signals impinge upon its memory for processing, the processing has less fidelity, allowing his actions to be more targeted, without distraction by too much detail. He will not get bogged down in the details of the rabbits fur, even if his eyes can see this, since this level of processing fidelity is not needed for his instinctive goal; catch a rabbit.

Picture if the hawk was conscious of more detail. The first time he catches a rabbit, it has black and white spots. With too much fidelity in memory and processing he may need to hunt, only rabbits with black and white spots. This would not be very efficient.

On the other hand, with less conscious fidelity, that much detail is irrelevant, allowing him to  catch any rabbit. The hawk can see this detail with his eyes, but this is not processed as relevant; less fidelity in his instinctive data processing is better. Humans are more quirky due to more fidelity, that so tiny details seem more relevant.

 

allow the surface water to go beyond itself
Word salad

In pure water, water molecules will hydrogen bond with each other and can form extended 3-D structures. Water can form four hydrogen bonds with other water, and in some ways can do with secondary bonding, what carbon does with primary bonding. Both can form four bonds. However, in pure water there is a limit to the size and duration for such extended 3-D water structures, due to changes in the hydrogen bonding switches from polar to covalent and vice versa; pH affect, etc. Water is more fluid than carbon based molecules.

If we look at an enzyme, the final surface of an enzyme is what is left after the rest of the enzyme  has been packed properly, to minimize the bulk/local water's excess free energy. Larger scale 3-D water configurations can from on these final enzyme surfaces.

Keeping the enzyme packed is important to the water's free energy needs. The surface layer of water, on the enzyme's surface, is firmly rooted in the larger picture of things; bulk water stability. This foundation of necessity, is a platform for water to form extended structuring to further stabilize the bigger picture; cooperatives. These structures are more stable and durable than the similar things in pure water, since these water structures, beyond the enzymes, serves a free energy purpose. Enzymes, in turn, can share this free energy if they try to unpack such as via a boost from ATP. 

In terms of natural selection at the nanoscale, not all randomly made protein polymers can be packed to the stability of enzymes. If we started with a random generation of protein, using very poor template processes, enzymes would stand out as stabilizing to the water. Eventually the active enzymes take over the area, since they are better for the needs of water and can help the water clean out the trash. Better template processes would also benefit the water; less high free energy residuals. Water was the continuous phase from the beginning and selected things that benefit itself. The result is nothing in life can work without water.

Other solvents would select other options since their free energy needs are different. Alcohols would not choose DNA and RNA. They would need a different template design. These do not work properly in alcohols. They are fine in water.

[Bored chemist]

In pure water, water molecules will hydrogen bond with each other and can form extended 3-D structures.

This is called ice.
It's generally bad news for life.

[Bored chemist]

The input device of the hawk; eyes, have a high level of clarity. However, as these optical signals impinge upon its memory for processing, the processing has less fidelity, allowing his actions to be more targeted, without distraction by too much detail. He will not get bogged down in the details of the rabbits fur, even if his eyes can see this, since this level of processing fidelity is not needed for his instinctive goal; catch a rabbit.

Picture if the hawk was conscious of more detail. The first time he catches a rabbit, it has black and white spots. With too much fidelity in memory and processing he may need to hunt, only rabbits with black and white spots. This would not be very efficient.

On the other hand, with less conscious fidelity, that much detail is irrelevant, allowing him to  catch any rabbit. The hawk can see this detail with his eyes, but this is not processed as relevant; less fidelity in his instinctive data processing is better. Humans are more quirky due to more fidelity, that so tiny details seem more relevant.

And again...
What do you use the word "fidelity" to actually mean?

[Bored chemist]

In pure water, water molecules will hydrogen bond with each other and can form extended 3-D structures. Water can form four hydrogen bonds with other water, and in some ways can do with secondary bonding, what carbon does with primary bonding. Both can form four bonds. However, in pure water there is a limit to the size and duration for such extended 3-D water structures, due to changes in the hydrogen bonding switches from polar to covalent and vice versa; pH affect, etc. Water is more fluid than carbon based molecules.

If we look at an enzyme, the final surface of an enzyme is what is left after the rest of the enzyme  has been packed properly, to minimize the bulk/local water's excess free energy. Larger scale 3-D water configurations can from on these final enzyme surfaces.

Keeping the enzyme packed is important to the water's free energy needs. The surface layer of water, on the enzyme's surface, is firmly rooted in the larger picture of things; bulk water stability. This foundation of necessity, is a platform for water to form extended structuring to further stabilize the bigger picture; cooperatives. These structures are more stable and durable than the similar things in pure water, since these water structures, beyond the enzymes, serves a free energy purpose. Enzymes, in turn, can share this free energy if they try to unpack such as via a boost from ATP. 

In terms of natural selection at the nanoscale, not all randomly made protein polymers can be packed to the stability of enzymes. If we started with a random generation of protein, using very poor template processes, enzymes would stand out as stabilizing to the water. Eventually the active enzymes take over the area, since they are better for the needs of water and can help the water clean out the trash. Better template processes would also benefit the water; less high free energy residuals. Water was the continuous phase from the beginning and selected things that benefit itself. The result is nothing in life can work without water.

Other solvents would select other options since their free energy needs are different. Alcohols would not choose DNA and RNA. They would need a different template design. These do not work properly in alcohols. They are fine in water.

Thanks for the confirmation that

llow the surface water to go beyond itself

is meaningless.
If it had a meaning, you could have clarified it rather than posting a few more paragraphs of technobabble.

[Zer0]

Offtopic - Perhaps if We ever find Aliens for whom Water is Toxic...

Then, We could focus more on the Liquid State of Matter vs Water as an Elixir for Life.

PS - have funn!
👍

[puppypower (OP)]

Offtopic - Perhaps if We ever find Aliens for whom Water is Toxic...

Then, We could focus more on the Liquid State of Matter vs Water as an Elixir for Life.

PS - have funn!
👍

The liquid state is unique, among the states of matter. The gaseous state can exhibit pressure but not tension. If we pull a vacuum on a gas, we do not create tension but simply lower its pressure.   The solid state can exhibit pressure and/or tension but not both at the same time and reach steady state. If we push and pull a block of metal it will move or rotate.

The liquid state can exhibit both tension and pressure at the same time and reach steady state. For example an open glass of water will be under atmospheric pressure and surface tension at steady state. This odd behavior is useful to life. If you need to both push and pull to get the DNA t to do what you need, the liquid state can do that. Pure DNA is more like a solid; crystal, and cannot do this on its own without spinning or moving.

Water has many selective advantages in terms of being the liquid state choice for life. First and foremost, water is the second most common molecule in the universe, second only to H2 or hydrogen gas. Carbon monoxide is third. Water is a stable product from stellar fusion, allowing any generation star to make it. Oxygen is the third most common atom in universe, behind only hydrogen and helium. Carbon is also common, but less so than oxygen, since although carbon forms first, oxygen is more stable than carbon at the nuclear level. There is a natural nuclear potential between them that translates into chemical antagonism.

Water is also one of the end products, if you burn any of the suggested organic solvents with oxygen. The main problem with life in organic solvents is as they evolve better metabolism and try to expand their energy bandwidth, they will start to self combust their own solvent, since it has high energy value. This inevitable doom will make water and CO2. 

Water is so stable, that this metabolic energy limit will not occur if water is used as the solvent. If all life evolved side-by-side, water based life will become more and more energy vigorous, and will dominate, since it can burn all the way to hydrogen gas in oxygen, without self destruction, to make more water.

Water is very stable at the level of covalent bonding; stable combustion product. However, it is very active and fluid at the level of secondary bonding; hydrogen bonding. The liquid state is defined for water, via its hydrogen bonding. The hydrogen bonding of water makes water the most anomalous substance in the known universe, with over 70 known anomalies/departures where it does not follow the trends found in other substances. For example, water expands when it freezes, whereas all but a few other materials will contract upon freezing. Hot water will freeze before cold water. This seems counter intuitive, but this anomaly is observed and is mediated by hydrogen bonding. Hot water and freezing water both expand, so the hydrogen bonding, which define similar space needs is closer, allowing an easier freeze for hot water. Cold water has the hydrogen bonds closer so there is a need to rearrange the hydrogen bonding grid, first, which takes time.

Water is the liquid state wild card of the universe, using the most abundant material of the universe; hydrogen, in unique ways to create anomalies. The pH affect shows hydrogen able to go from being covalently bonding to oxygen, to being detached as an independent ion, and all in between. This affects allows water to make strong bonding more plastic; catalysis. 

The hydrogen bonding in water allows the hydrogen proton to do things for water what electrons do for metals. The hydrogen proton is 1000 times heavier than an electron, so the use of the hydrogen proton will slows things down. This is needed in the nano-world for manipulating large solid/fluid structures within the liquid state. There will be longer time delays, so you need a slower way than electricity, but with muscle mass to help push and pull.

The hydrogen bond is also a type of binary switch; pH affect, able to shift between polar and covalent settings, with each setting having different properties in terms of entropy, enthalpy and volume (pressure-tension). The hydrogen bonding switch can be used to send binary information. It also has free energy and mechanical muscle that is used to assist the organics of life; information with muscle allowing changes in organic shapes to send data and muscle. This is how cells can coordinate in 4-D; space and time.

To clarify for Bored Chemist, when I said water can go beyond itself, I was comparing the limits of pure water, to what water can do when it is assisted by the organic structures found in life. The analogy may be two people forming a team, like in marriage, where the team becomes more that the sum of its parts, allowing each part to become better than it was. The range of water becomes higher within life, allowing the ever evolving push we call evolution at the nanoscale. Water drives evolution at the nanoscale, in an evolving organic way, due to this team affect.

[Zer0]

P_P...u know wat...

Every time i read ur nick..

I'm reminded of Scrappy!
😇

Hope your eye/s is/are good.
👍
(U mentioned a small operation or procedure prapz at the opthalmologist in the past)

Ps - Scooby Dooby Doo... Where art thou!
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(Ha ha)

[Bored chemist]

 The solid state can exhibit pressure and/or tension but not both at the same time and reach steady state.

No
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tempered_glass
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prestressed_concrete

why do you post so much that's just plain wrong?

[Bored chemist]

To clarify for Bored Chemist, when I said water can go beyond itself,

That's water being itself, but being "beyond" itself.

[Bored chemist]

The pH affect shows hydrogen able to go from being covalently bonding to oxygen, to being detached as an independent ion, and all in between.

That looks like more nonsense.
The pH scale is only really defined in solution but you can't get an independent hydrogen ion in solution (it will stick to water molecules)

This affects allows water to make strong bonding more plastic; catalysis. 

That doesn't even parse as English.