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« on: 25/04/2008 08:18:08 »
3000 year old Texts describe a series of pictures from a 1995 cd-rom

Australian researchers Ronald Pegg and Eddy Pengelly present their findings regarding their observations of ancient descriptions and depictions matching to the contents and imagery from a modern history book and a certain multimedia cd-rom.

The Observations are real.

The Theory is either
1. God sent his Angels through time to bring modern cd-roms back to ancient prophets (to create new religions),
or
2. Human technological time travel took a selection of modern cd-roms and a computer back to ancient people (to warn them of ‘future religious wars’.)

Once you have viewed the comparisons between ancient descriptions and modern cd-roms, you decide - Which theory best takes into account the presented evidence ?

Link: http://www.worldbreakingdiscoveries.com.au/index.html
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« Reply #1 on: 25/04/2008 16:48:07 »
No as their is no secret or any evidence of time travel only daft speculation of this sort.

I'm sure it will make interesting reading though for those that believe in books like the Da Vinci Code" as being real.

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« Reply #2 on: 25/04/2008 17:43:26 »
People could have Time traveled a million times and we would never notice.
Nothing is absolute. It takes a thousand people to make a stereotype, only one to grind it into the dust.

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« Reply #3 on: 26/04/2008 03:34:24 »
The Observations are real.

The Theory is either
1. God sent his Angels through time to bring modern cd-roms back to ancient prophets (to create new religions),
or
2. Human technological time travel took a selection of modern cd-roms and a computer back to ancient people (to warn them of ‘future religious wars’.)

Once you have viewed the comparisons between ancient descriptions and modern cd-roms, you decide - Which theory best takes into account the presented evidence ?

Link: http://www.worldbreakingdiscoveries.com.au/index.html
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« Reply #4 on: 26/04/2008 04:26:06 »
are the pictures directly stated to be from a cd rom?

this could easily be a hoax:  Whomever presented the cd rom could have compiled the data to appear as if the descriptions were of the contents of the cd rom, when they just happen to be the same.

too many paradoxes and crazy possibilities exist for time travel to be plausable
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« Reply #5 on: 26/04/2008 12:35:12 »
A “theory” is “An assumption based on limited information or knowledge; a conjecture.” (source 6.)

Ten years of research covering over 30 different topics and subjects is not “limited information or knowledge”.

Some of those 30 cultures/time eras examined include texts from:
EGYPTIAN Myths, The Pyramid Texts, GREEK Myths, NORSE Mythology, The Hebrew Bible, The Christian Bible, The MUSLIM Bible, The MORMON Bible, Zoroastrianism, HINDUISM, BUDDHISM, CONFUCIANISM and TAOISM, CREATION Myths such as: Brahmanic Creation Poem, Scandinavia and Iceland, Yggdrasil, Ancient Babylon, The Creation in Hebrew Mysticism, Plato's Myth of Er, North American Indian Mythology, The Seven Aphorisms of Creation, and Australian Aboriginal Dreamtime Stories.

Mr Pegg’s theory based upon the evidence discovered is ‘human time travellers took modern cd-roms back to the past”.
Another theory is that “the documented divine angels of God as reported and documented in the Bible took modern cd-roms back to the past”.
Another part of the theory is that “the documented and described ‘little book with seven seals’ in the Bible is describing a modern cd-rom.

The evidence, independent of either theory, and resultant conclusion, is that modern cd-rom pictures ARE documented in ancient texts, and that the descriptions by Ezekiel, Daniel, and John from the ‘little sealed book’ shown to them by the angels DO in fact match to the cd-rom sequence of pictures.

The PPHC-SG Mysteries Website shows seven new 2008 presentations of this evidence, where various ancient texts were compared with the imagery from the cited cd-rom.
The result is a visual one (ie. an observation) - the ancient descriptions match the cd-rom imagery.

Is this just a philosophical study or an establishment of facts ?

The definition of “philosophy” (according to Wikipedia which quotes the The Penguin Encyclopedia) says
“Philosophy can be distinguished from empirical science” and that “philosophy differs from science in that its questions cannot be answered empirically, i.e. by observation or experiment”.

Mr Pegg’s questions (ie. his claims) CAN BE answered by observation and experiment - thus it is not a philosophical situation.

So how can facts be ascertained ?

Basically Mr Pegg says A, B, C, and D ancient texts describe the imagery from a modern cd-rom.

By experiment and observation, that is, by actually physically comparing the described words from ancient texts to the cited modern cd-rom - there is found a match of data.

His claims check out. His evidence is verified. What he says is correct.

But all this leaves us with the usual counter claims of “it’s a hoax”, “it’s a paradox” or, “I don’t know how time travel could possibly work, so what I see with my own eyes can not be time travel”.

These mind sets often hold back personal investigation of the presented evidence.
Remember, we are investigating the “presented evidence” and not How or Why it came to be documented in ancient texts.

For those who wish to find out more…
In the WBD website, following the 7 introduction Breaking News Reports, a further 7 News Reports contain further visual examples.

1. The SCALA Disk documented in many Ancient Texts
2. Computer Parts Described in Ancient Texts
3. The Apparatus of Nostradamus Identified
4. 1991 Persian Gulf War events Documented in Ancient Texts
5. Astronomical CD-Rom information Documented in Ancient Texts
6. Future Events Documented in Ancient Texts as End Time Signs
7. Activities of Modern Scholars Told to Ancient People

Then follows a summary of ten years of research.
Entrance link: http://www.worldbreakingdiscoveries.com.au/index.html

All this may help you to come to your own conclusions based upon the evidence, and not preconceived ideas.

Also,
here is a link to a brief commentary regarding one of the CD-Roms cited which includes around 40 pictures:
Ancients cd-rom commentary

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« Reply #6 on: 26/04/2008 18:20:03 »
The observations you make are what you personally make of them and may may not reflect other peoples ideas. According to you there is little choice as it is either one or two with no room for any others.

That is where it all goes wrong as people may interpret the images in many ways.

I disagree that a piece of ancient papyrus hieroglyphic writing showing a circular symbol with a dot in the middle depicts a CD ROM!

Here is Tutankhamen's name in hieroglyphics.


© Copyright 1999, Jim Loy

The above says, "Ruler of Upper and Lower Egypt, Nebkheperura, Son of Ra, Tutankhamun."
BUT..
In the first bit you can clearly see a cd being washed in a bowl of water after a beetle made a mess on it 3 times. In the second part you can see that the cd was then wiped on the back of a duck to polish it!  [:0]

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"All this may help you to come to your own conclusions based upon the evidence, and not preconceived ideas."

I agree, but its a pity that the 10 years work spent on this was not done scientifically as the "presented evidence" is very suspect and open to interpretation.







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« Reply #7 on: 26/04/2008 20:40:08 »
They arent't CDs they are donuts.
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« Reply #8 on: 27/04/2008 02:20:30 »
who said anything about preconceived ideas?

the contents of the CD ROM, even if they weren't compiled just for this purpose, is a collection of historical data.  The Egyptian culture was far reaching.  It would only make sense that it has so many historical texts.

however, these are all completely open to interpretation.  as with all languages, there is a certain amount of guesswork involved.  an example is that the Hebrew word for "day" can have several other meanings, and it is up to the translator to decide which is meant.  in the case of Egyptian hieroglyphics, the differences between them and our language are huge.

but then there is also the whole crux of the matter:
1) knowing that the CD ROM is depicted in hieroglyphics, we would keep that disc under high security, making it impossible for these time travellers to retrieve it.
2) if they already got the CD before we could make this discovery, how could we know it is like this CD, if we no longer posses it?
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« Reply #9 on: 27/04/2008 04:40:16 »
RE: “however, these are all completely open to interpretation. as with all languages, there is a certain amount of guesswork involved. an example is that the Hebrew word for "day" can have several other meanings”

This is why Ronald Pegg utilized the original Hebrew meanings cited in the Hebrew Lexicon of Strong’s Concordance instead of the given religious interpretations of the 1611CE King James version of the Bible.
This is explained in the Genesis presentation


RE: “I disagree that a piece of ancient papyrus hieroglyphic writing showing a circular symbol with a dot in the middle depicts a CD ROM!”

Here is a link to other Egyptian Discoveries

Plate 1 from the Papyrus of Ani identifies the name of the disk.


RE: “but then there is also the whole crux of the matter:
1) knowing that the CD ROM is depicted in hieroglyphics, we would keep that disc under high security, making it impossible for these time travellers to retrieve it.
2) if they already got the CD before we could make this discovery, how could we know it is like this CD, if we no longer posses it?”

That is your logic.
The facts are (in Adelaide at least), I purchased a copy of the Ancients cd-rom from a local bookshop, after first borrowing a copy from my local library.

So much for your theory of it not being available.
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« Reply #10 on: 27/04/2008 05:21:54 »
selling at a bookshop?

that opens another possibility:  This is just one big ploy to make money.

I am not disagreeing with the existance of time travel (ill explain later in post), just that this little application of it is unlikely and full of possiblities of hoax and fraud.  Why was this "CD ROM of the ancient Egyptians" not well known, since surely the priests of that time would see it as a gift from the gods themselves?

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This is why Ronald Pegg utilized the original Hebrew meanings cited in the Hebrew Lexicon of Strong’s Concordance instead of the given religious interpretations of the 1611CE King James version of the Bible.
This is explained in the Genesis presentation

that wasnt supposed to be a peice of quote for you to misinterpret and use against me... I meant it as an example showing the difficulty to translate languages, then moving to the extreme, the relevant language of hieroglyphics.

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RE: “I disagree that a piece of ancient papyrus hieroglyphic writing showing a circular symbol with a dot in the middle depicts a CD ROM!”

Here is a link to other Egyptian Discoveries

Plate 1 from the Papyrus of Ani identifies the name of the disk.
again, there are far too many loose ends.  How do they know this is the name that was identified, it could have several different meanings, for there are just not enough cognates between modern language and ancient Egyptian to be sure.  How do you know that the disk isn't a hoax?  it is far too easy to take note of what the hieroglyphics might be translatable into, compile them onto a CD ROM, and proceed to cry "wolf" about your little discovery.

now what I believe about time travel:
I am a devout Christian (suprise, suprise), and I believe that God has complete control of events and happenings, including time.  how this may be possible, as a model, is that God can exist in as many time dimentions at once, allowing more than one "line" through two dimentional time, just as if you could travel in any number of directions in a square.  through this possibility of time travel, it shows that we just aren't capable of it, being limited to our four dimentions.
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« Reply #11 on: 27/04/2008 06:21:11 »
RE: “Why was this "CD ROM of the ancient Egyptians" not well known” and “it is far too easy to take note of what the hieroglyphics might be translatable into, compile them onto a CD ROM”.

To what CD ROM do you refer in relation to "CD ROM of the ancient Egyptians".

The ancient Egyptian did not have computer technology nor compact disks.

The accounts documented in Egyptian texts are of an encounter with a time traveller showing them the imagery from the 1995 SCALA cd-rom.
The 1995 SCALA (ie. what I call the Ancients) cd-rom to which I refer is an historical cd-rom about the Mediterranean region - and not about Egypt (although one page provides 7 brief audio-visual presentations).


RE: “the priests of that time would see it as a gift from the gods themselves?”

No, it wasn’t given to them. It was shown to them and they were told to write down what they saw, in the same way Ezekiel and Daniel (OT) and John (NT) were shown the imagery - and their accounts document the cd’s imagery.
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« Reply #12 on: 27/04/2008 17:09:18 »
If anyone intelligent went back in time with a computer I would expect it to be a laptop, and as most know they normally come with a mouse pad built in, so I doubt a separate mouse would have been used.

Unfortunately there is no mention from what E.Pengelly translated the hieroglyphs from only that he has used his own interpretation, one not based on any known medium such as the Rosetta stone. Perhaps he should write out his meaning of the rest of the hieroglyphics, that way we could at least have a discussion on interpretation and see where the rest of the symbols fit.

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"The Theory is either,
1. God sent his Angels through time to bring modern cd-roms back to ancient prophets (to create new religions),
or
2. Human technological time travel took a selection of modern cd-roms and a computer back to ancient people (to warn them of ‘future religious wars’".)

There is you big problem as previously pointed out as its either choice 1 or 2, which are also laced with the words "religions and future religious wars"

So, who is the one with the preconceived religious ideas, and what real scientific backing has this "theory"?



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« Reply #13 on: 27/04/2008 19:48:55 »
This is just a con to make money if its from some book that somebodys selling on the link he posted. Anybody with any sence can see that.

But for time travel, IF it WILL exist, then surely we would only be able to go forward in time. Because if we could go back in time, we would have gone so far back as to the time of the dinosours, killed them all, populated the earth then, and evolve. So now we wouldn't be humans but more evolved, smarter beings.

Aswel as that why the ******** would they give them a CD? Wouldn't they just teach them english? (the easiest language ever) So they didn't have to communicate with drawings and could use letters. That would be more effecient...

But how it is is its a language we don't fully understand, with a theory thats sold in a book for the $$$

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« Reply #14 on: 28/04/2008 05:18:11 »
RE: “Why was this "CD ROM of the ancient Egyptians" not well known” and “it is far too easy to take note of what the hieroglyphics might be translatable into, compile them onto a CD ROM”.

To what CD ROM do you refer in relation to "CD ROM of the ancient Egyptians".

The ancient Egyptian did not have computer technology nor compact disks.

The accounts documented in Egyptian texts are of an encounter with a time traveller showing them the imagery from the 1995 SCALA cd-rom.
The 1995 SCALA (ie. what I call the Ancients) cd-rom to which I refer is an historical cd-rom about the Mediterranean region - and not about Egypt (although one page provides 7 brief audio-visual presentations).


RE: “the priests of that time would see it as a gift from the gods themselves?”

No, it wasn’t given to them. It was shown to them and they were told to write down what they saw, in the same way Ezekiel and Daniel (OT) and John (NT) were shown the imagery - and their accounts document the cd’s imagery.


last time I checked, Hammurabi and the mediterranian empire came before Egypt.  Being so close to that historical area, it would only make sense that the Egyptians would have a historical record of that time.  Remember, Written history began at one point, and expanded.  Ancient Archeologists were just as interested in their history as we are today.
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« Reply #15 on: 28/04/2008 06:01:51 »
RE: “Unfortunately there is no mention from what E.Pengelly translated the hieroglyphs from only that he has used his own interpretation, one not based on any known medium such as the Rosetta stone. Perhaps he should write out his meaning of the rest of the hieroglyphics, that way we could at least have a discussion on interpretation and see where the rest of the symbols fit.”

Link to my 2005 Egyptian Report as requested.
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« Reply #16 on: 28/04/2008 06:24:21 »
RE: “Hammurabi and the mediterranian empire came before Egypt”

Hammurabi was the King of Babylon, 1728-1686 BCE.

My (2006) examination of the Akkadian Enuma Elish poem (ie. The Babylonian Epic of Creation) and how it describes the imagery from a modern cd-rom may be found in Chapter One of my research Report entitled A New Understanding – Egyptian Gods and Atlantis. (Sorry, this report is not free.)

But here is a link to a Brief Overview that includes some Akkadian info near the end,
and
my 2007 Sumerian Study

The evidence shows many Middle Eastern cultures documented the contents of a modern cd-rom in their legends.
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« Reply #17 on: 28/04/2008 14:26:24 »
.. the evidence we have to pay for to see?

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« Reply #18 on: 29/04/2008 09:00:56 »
RE: “the evidence we have to pay for to see?”

Err…NO.
There are 14 News Reports and a major summary on the WBD website for free.

I have given you free links to my Sumerian, Middle Eastern, and major Egyptian studies/reports.
The only one not as a webpage (and thus in a book) is my Akkadian report.

Please get it right and in perspective if you are going to complain about something.
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« Reply #19 on: 01/05/2008 02:34:33 »
"RE: “Hammurabi and the mediterranian empire came before Egypt”

Hammurabi was the King of Babylon, 1728-1686 BCE."

either you're making a mistake, or I dont remember what I learned in the 6'th grade correctly.  Both are possible.

in order to prevent confusion, the only required information for the point in my post is that the Mediterrainian Empire came before the Egyptian Empire.
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« Reply #20 on: 02/05/2008 02:51:55 »
Hi there.
When I searched for info on Hammurabi for my earlier reply, the details provided to me were:
Hammurabi Born c. 1728 BC (short)
Died c. 1686 BC (short)
Title King of Babylon

Since I extracted and posted that information, and rechecking it due to your query, the info on the Wikipedia page has changed to
Hammurabi Born c. 1795 BC (short)
Died c. 1750 BC (short)
Title King of Babylon

Does this fall in line with your understanding ?
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« Reply #21 on: 02/05/2008 08:05:39 »
Here is Tutankhamen's name in hieroglyphics.


© Copyright 1999, Jim Loy

The above says, "Ruler of Upper and Lower Egypt, Nebkheperura, Son of Ra, Tutankhamun."
BUT..
In the first bit you can clearly see a cd being washed in a bowl of water after a beetle made a mess on it 3 times. In the second part you can see that the cd was then wiped on the back of a duck to polish it!  [:0]

I found a nice site that lets you write names (and other stuff) in hieroglyphs.
http://hieroglyphs.net/000501/html/000-042.html
http://hieroglyphs.net/000501/html/000-036.html

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« Reply #22 on: 03/05/2008 22:16:03 »
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When I searched for info on Hammurabi for my earlier reply, the details provided to me were:
Hammurabi Born c. 1728 BC (short)
Died c. 1686 BC (short)
Title King of Babylon

Since I extracted and posted that information, and rechecking it due to your query, the info on the Wikipedia page has changed to
Hammurabi Born c. 1795 BC (short)
Died c. 1750 BC (short)
Title King of Babylon

Does this fall in line with your understanding ?
then I guess the second possibility (I dont remember what I learned in the 6th grade correctly) is the right one.

as I said before, the only relevant part of my argument is that the mediterranian empire came before the egyptian empire, and it would only make sense to have records of it in the Egyptian lore.
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« Reply #23 on: 10/05/2008 03:10:46 »
I seeking to establish a set of rules for studying and verifying Evidence of Time Travel.
 
This study is not about 'How time travel works' nor 'When was a time machine invented'.
It is not asking for opinions whether time travel is possible or not, but simply…
Is there any evidence documented in ancient texts that relate to visits to the past ?

PURPOSE and AIMS
- To seek out and identify any evidence of Time Travel that may be documented in ancient texts.
- Create a set of rules for this task.
- Scrutinize and examine past information and any new evidence found - using an organized peer process of evaluation.
- Make a Judgement based upon the evidence presented, then state a Conclusion.

METHOD
I am seeking a ‘Submission of Ideas’ regarding how to go about gathering information and then evaluating it.
STEP 1   .     Develop a Search Criterion
STEP 2   .     Gather Evidence
STEP 3   .     Examine and Evaluate evidence
STEP 4    .     Form a Judgement and Conclusion

I am hoping people will be able to contribute to my project with ideas or comments.

LINK to Ideas Submission website

Submissions may be cited on the website.

Yours Faithfully,
Eddy Pengelly
On behalf of PPHC Study Group, Australia.
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« Reply #24 on: 13/05/2008 08:50:02 »
I'm sure I red this when I first signed upto this forum about a week or two ago, and it was some kind of scam to buy a book... Looks like he reposted it.

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« Reply #25 on: 14/05/2008 04:30:21 »
RE: "it was some kind of scam to buy a book... Looks like he reposted it"

No.
I am seeking help to set up 'How to Study Evidence of Time Travel'.

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Draft Search Criterion Available

Please be advised that a draft SEARCH CRITERION is now available for viewing along with HOW Texts have been selected for examination.

Your suggested amendments and/or comments are welcomed.

LINK to Search for Evidence of Time Travel website

EXPERIMENTS will soon be conducted to TEST Ronald Pegg’s theory regarding ‘Evidence of Time Travel being documented in Ancient Texts’.
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« Reply #26 on: 14/05/2008 19:12:24 »
I'm sure I red this when I first signed upto this forum about a week or two ago, and it was some kind of scam to buy a book... Looks like he reposted it.
This was the original topic, and was making known that the possibility exists, he was not imposing a scam in any way.

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I seeking to establish a set of rules for studying and verifying Evidence of Time Travel.

You already know my standpoint on this, so I'm not gonna bother posting it. I was just clearing an accusation up, because this is not a scam, but an innocent discussion.
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« Reply #27 on: 22/05/2008 07:39:43 »
VIEW preliminary results

Please be advised that 8 preliminary results are now available for viewing.

The Study Criterion was completed and initial examination of selected texts undertaken.

Pegg's 'Descriptive' Theory
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The documented accounts in certain ancient texts known as prophetic "dreams" or "visions" are about the contents of the 1995 produced Ancient Civilizations of the Mediterranean multi-media cd-rom.
To test Pegg's theory we need to conduct a REALITY-CHECK to see if it is true for all, many, some, or no ancient texts.

To do this we need to use 'If-Then' logic, and PREDICT what will happen when Pegg's theory is applied to other ancient texts. We then need to conduct EXPERIMENTS and OBSERVE what happens.

If-Then Prediction
In relation to the cited texts, IF the theory is correct, THEN we will observe that pictures from the Ancients cd-rom match to the descriptions in the cited ancient texts.

If Pegg's theory fails our reality check because its predictions do not match observations, then it can be rejected as false.

You now have the opportunity to examine 8 sets of observations to decide for yourself whether Pegg’s theory has merit or not.
LINK to ‘Examine Ancient Texts for Evidence of Time Travel’ website
These include
(NT Revelation 4:6-7)
OT Ezekiel 1:5,10
OT Daniel 7:3-8
Qur’an 42:32
(Nostradamus Century 1 Quatrain 81)
Akkadian, Babylonian, Mesopotamian Creation Stories
The Great Ennead of Heliopolis (Egyptian Gods)
Plato's Critias Dialogue – City Beneath the Sea (Atlantis)
The Egg of Brahma (Hindu Understanding)
OT Genesis Chapter 1
(Accounts by Endubsar from Sumerian Clay Tablets)
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« Reply #28 on: 29/05/2008 14:17:07 »
2008 Major Report Available

PPHC-SG presents a new report regarding the Old Testament Book of Ezekiel chapters 1-4, 8, 9, 40, & 41.

From 8 Chapters (involving 104 verses), 198 descriptions by Ezekiel have been found to match the imagery from the Ancients cd-rom.

LINK to ‘Examine Ancient Texts for Evidence of Time Travel’ website

Three more major reports will be made available from mid June 2008:
- Egyptian texts, hieroglyphs, and stories about their Gods.
- Plato's Critias and Timaeus dialogues: The legend of Atlantis.
- Sumerian Clay Tablet stories by the scribe Endubsar.
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« Reply #29 on: 07/06/2008 17:22:37 »
For many years, claims of ‘Evidence of Time Travel being found by the Australian researcher Ronald Pegg’ have been circulating around the internet.

He claimed to have found descriptions in ancient texts that match to the contents of a certain 1995 produced multi-media compact disk. This would mean that somehow, modern technology was taken back in time for ancient people to view.

It is asserted that “The documented accounts in certain ancient texts known as prophetic 'dreams' or 'visions' are about the contents and pictures from the 1995 Ancient Civilizations of the Mediterranean multi-media cd-rom”.

Now you have the opportunity to evaluate this specific claim with a ‘verse by verse’ examination of ten texts that he said contains proof.

http://www.pphcstudygroup.org.au/search4ett/index.html

Use this link then go directly to the Evaluation Session (or read an Introduction beforehand).
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« Reply #30 on: 08/06/2008 00:11:34 »
I could do the same thing by reading some old texts and then making up a CDRom with some of the info on it. It is easy to mix up cause and effect if you want to convince yourself.
I hope Mr Pegg doesn't go back and shoot his Grandad.

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« Reply #31 on: 08/06/2008 03:30:10 »
Others have phrased your doubt in this way: “I don’t see how this can be purported to be evidence of anything more than the CD graphics based on ancient text.”

One set of matching details could just be a coincidence, and could be the result of the makers of the cd-rom using one particular set of ancient descriptions as their source and inspiration.
Maybe also two or three (or four) could be passed off as 'just coincidences'.
But ten ancient sets of details from different time periods and countries matching is beyond a coincidence.

The same set of descriptions turn up in many ancient stories where most are associated with a messenger turning up in a bright light (or 'dream') carrying a stone of testimony (aka. wheel, tablet, plate, or disc) which tells of future things and provides 'visions'. These extra associated characteristics indicate that the same source was viewed by all the ancient writers and story tellers by the same means - and not that any one ancient story was the source used by the makers of the cd-rom for their imagery.

Regarding people's own conclusions, we are often asked, concerning the observed evidence from these experiments as being identical or very close to the Ancients cd-rom pictures...
Is the imagery, on the cd-rom, evidence of someone or a group of people travelling back in time and showing the ancient people the images from it, or was the Ancients cd-rom created by people that have read any or all of the texts? They may have only been inspired, even subconsciously, to make the cd-rom the same or very similar to what is in the ancient texts.

If the descriptions in the Atlantis dialogues by Plato only matched to the cd-rom imagery, then, yes, you would have to conclude that the makers of the cd-rom used the Atlantis descriptions as inspiration.

If the descriptions in the Bablylonian stories only  matched to the cd-rom imagery, then, yes, you would have to conclude that the makers of the cd-rom used Bablylonian descriptions as inspiration.

If...Akkadian…Aboriginal Dreamtime Stories...North American Indian Mythologies...Buddhism & Hindu Understanding...Old Testament...New Testament...Qur'an...Book of Mormon...each only  matched, then, yes……

But all of the above cultures that DO match to the imagery from the Ancients cd-rom are NOT part of the history contained on that cd-rom. So why would the makers use imagery from over ten other cultures that they are not presenting on the cd-rom ?

The civilizations presented are from around the Mediterranean region from betwen 2000 BCE and 476 CE, being Etruria, Carthage, Roman Empire, Greece, Phoenicia and Egypt.
(The Egyptian section only presents seven video shows, and not pages of pictures.)

The Etrurian section shows things Eturian…
The Roman section shows things Roman…
The Greece section shows things Greek…
The Phoenician section shows things Phoenician…
The Carthage section shows things Carthagian…
…and NOT anything to do with Altantis, Babylon, Akkadia, Aboriginal Dreamtime Stories...North American Indian Mythologies...Buddhism & Hindu Understanding...Old Testament...New Testament...Qur'an, nor Book of Mormon.

Specifically...
Regarding: "Is the imagery, on the cd-rom, evidence of someone or a group of people travelling back in time and showing the ancient people the images from it."

Based upon ten years of investigations - we believe yes. In the Old Testament (Ezekiel), New Testament (Revelation), and Qur'an (Mohammed) encounters where the cd-rom imagery is described, there is an Angel reported as being present, and in the Bible accounts, this angel has a 'sealed book with seven seals' that is opened, and from which 'visions' are seen by the prophet. That prophet's descriptions of these 'visions' are of the contents of the Ancients cd-rom.

We conclude that this 'angel' is some form of time traveller.
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« Reply #32 on: 08/06/2008 21:16:24 »
I always thought i had a screw loose until i followed the link above.

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« Reply #34 on: 09/06/2008 20:34:07 »
Me too.
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« Reply #35 on: 29/07/2008 05:30:28 »
Some results so far

Whether pictures match ancient descriptions as a percentage, where
0-30 is NO,
>30-50 is probably not,
>50-75 is MAYBE,
>75-85 is probably, and
>85 to 100 is YES.

Results from 12 Evaluation Sessions
nil: 0 - 30
2 : >30 - 50
4 : >50 - 75
4 : >75 - 85
2 : >85 - 100
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12 in total

Average is 67.71 percent, which means it is more than a coincidence.

For these figures to actually be relevant, we need another series of evaluations by at least a 100 people to provide a better overall summary of opinions.

Can you help ? Can you spare the time to complete the Evaluation Session ?
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« Reply #36 on: 29/07/2008 09:58:25 »
This has been discussed in other threads - please keep all discussion of one topic to one thread, to help keep the forum tidy.  In fact, I've merged all the threads into one, lets keep discussion in here.
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« Reply #37 on: 05/08/2008 08:30:28 »
Some results so far

Whether pictures match ancient descriptions as a percentage, where
0-30 is NO,
>30-50 is probably not,
>50-75 is MAYBE,
>75-85 is probably, and
>85 to 100 is YES.

Results from 12 Evaluation Sessions
nil: 0 - 30
2 : >30 - 50
4 : >50 - 75
4 : >75 - 85
2 : >85 - 100
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12 in total

Average is 67.71 percent, which means it is more than a coincidence.

For these figures to actually be relevant, we need another series of evaluations by at least a 100 people to provide a better overall summary of opinions.

Can you help ? Can you spare the time to complete the Evaluation Session ?
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Purpose of Evaluation Session

Some people seem to be not understanding or are missing the point of this evaluation session.

HISTORY:
1. Ronald Pegg made an observation regarding an ancient text and modern cd-rom pictures.
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2. Ronald Pegg investigated 20 more ancient texts, and made associated observations regarding those ancient texts and pictures from a modern cd-rom.
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3. He proposed an hypothesis - “The documented accounts in certain ancient texts known as prophetic 'dreams' or 'visions' are about the contents and pictures from the 1995 Ancient Civilizations of the Mediterranean multi-media cd-rom”.
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4. He asserted a Conclusion based upon his observations and investigations - “This is Evidence of Time Travel”.
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5. He established a general Theory - “Certain noted Angels giving 'visions of the future' who were documented in the sacred texts of the Hebrew, Christian, Muslim, and Mormon faiths (and others) - were not of a divine origin...as they were actually human chrononauts taking back warning messages concerning false religions, details of certain historical and astronomical events, and a chronology regarding a future war. Those technological time travellers were misunderstood and perceived as 'Angels'”.
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This session is NOT evaluating points 3 & 4 & 5. These may be discussed in later sessions.
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This session IS evaluating the validity of Pegg’s original OBSERVATIONS (points 1 & 2) by asking “Do the descriptions in ancient texts match to the pictures seen on a modern cd-rom.
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To do this I am asking you to assist with the evaluation process by testing, with a ‘verse by verse’ examination, ten texts that Pegg said contains proof. LINK to Evaluation Session

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« Reply #38 on: 05/08/2008 11:53:02 »
I've been avoiding this thread so far, but I've just had a look at the 'evaluation' page and wanted to comment.

Telling people what you want them to see and then asking them if they can see it is not a valid way to assess anything.  Any results you get will be horribly biased, but you will likely use them to back up your existing ideas.

In short, your 'evaluation' is misleading, invalid and therefore pointless.

Going way back to the start of this thread...

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The Theory is either
1. God sent his Angels through time to bring modern cd-roms back to ancient prophets (to create new religions),
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2. Human technological time travel took a selection of modern cd-roms and a computer back to ancient people (to warn them of ‘future religious wars’.)

Once you have viewed the comparisons between ancient descriptions and modern cd-roms, you decide - Which theory best takes into account the presented evidence ?

Nope.  These are two outlandish hypotheses based on a large number of baseless assumptions (there is a god, angels exist, time travel is possible and happening, time travellers would attempt to change the course of history...). Hypotheses that make fewer assumptions are more likely to be true.  These may include:

1. The references in the texts bear no more resemblance than chance and coincidence.
2. The author is hoping to see relevant references, and as a result sees links where there are none.
3. The authors of the CD-ROM were influenced, consciously or otherwise, by the text.

So by presenting yourself with only 2 hypotheses, each of which are based on poor assumptions, you have limited yourself to certain conclusions, and convinced yourself that one of these must be correct.


The following comments & questions may have also appeared above, so please forgive me for not re-reading the entire thread if I'm repeating other people:

Has Ronald Pegg confirmed with the makers of the cd-rom that they had never seen or read any of the texts to which he's referring?  If they have, then even subconsciously it could have affected the way that they chose to display the information.

What was the start date for the time travellers?  (i.e. from what date did they go back?)  If this was recent, why take a 13 year old CD-rom with them?  Why not take something more useful?  If it was 1995, then surely we would have heard more about time travel by now?  Why bother coving it up?

Why would the time travellers have hidden their tracks?  Why would the only reference to them be hidden in these references?

Why would they show them a CD-ROM of the ancient world?  That just doesn't make any sense.  Surely you would show them more modern things, or inventions that could help them avoid pitfalls?  Why not take something that would last, as proof that they had traveled back in time to help the people of the past make the right decisions?  Of course, this would set up all the usual time travel paradoxes, but so would going back and showing selective people a CD-ROM.

Personally, I feel that this is no evidence for time travel, but at best a coincidence and at worst a delusion.

My final question is to you, Eddy_P.  Are you willing to entertain the possibility that you are wrong?  If not, I see no reason why this thread needs to continue.

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« Reply #39 on: 06/08/2008 08:10:54 »
Telling people what you want them to see and then asking them if they can see it is not a valid way to assess anything.
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You seem to be missing the point (or just twisting it).
The evaluation session is investigating whether Pegg’s original observations are valid.
To do this, the words from the original texts have to be presented, and the specific descriptions under investigation highlighted.
The pictures from the cited cd-rom which Pegg says matches to these descriptions are then presented.
Using the highlighted ‘keywords’ from the ancient texts, you are asked to make a judgement whether what Pegg says he saw in the picture do in fact “match” to the images in the presented pictures. ie. are the KEYWORDS present in the cd-rom pictures.
 
A simple Yes / No could have been employed, but due to some of the ancient words in many of the texts being either originally mistranslated or misinterpreted into English, or being out of context, or ambiguous, a Maybe was added to take language differences into account.
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Going way back to the start of this thread...
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The Theory is either
1. God sent his Angels through time to bring modern cd-roms back to ancient prophets (to create new religions),
or
2. Human technological time travel took a selection of modern cd-roms and a computer back to ancient people (to warn them of ‘future religious wars’.)

Once you have viewed the comparisons between ancient descriptions and modern cd-roms, you decide - Which theory best takes into account the presented evidence ?

Nope.  These are two outlandish hypotheses based on a large number of baseless assumptions (there is a god, angels exist, time travel is possible and happening, time travellers would attempt to change the course of history...). Hypotheses that make fewer assumptions are more likely to be true.  These may include:

1. The references in the texts bear no more resemblance than chance and coincidence.
2. The author is hoping to see relevant references, and as a result sees links where there are none.
3. The authors of the CD-ROM were influenced, consciously or otherwise, by the text.

So by presenting yourself with only 2 hypotheses, each of which are based on poor assumptions, you have limited yourself to certain conclusions, and convinced yourself that one of these must be correct.
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NO, these are not hypotheses.
They are conclusions based upon the presented evidence.
You apparently have not read some of the information earlier on from this ‘merged thread’.
To save you searching, go to the source and Follow this link and read the “Creating a Study Criteria” and “How texts were selected” pages…
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…also see separate post regarding Arthur’s question about the ‘premise’.
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Regarding your point # 3 “The authors of the CD-ROM were influenced, consciously or otherwise, by the text” - that question has been addressed. (In part)…
One set of matching details could just be a coincidence, and could be the result of the makers of the cd-rom using one particular set of ancient descriptions as their source and inspiration.
Maybe also two or three (or four) could be passed off as 'just coincidences'.
But ten ancient sets of details from different time periods and countries matching is beyond a coincidence.

The same set of descriptions turn up in many ancient stories where most are associated with a messenger turning up in a bright light (or 'dream') carrying a stone of testimony (aka. wheel, tablet, plate, or disc) which tells of future things and provides 'visions'. These extra associated characteristics indicate that the same source was viewed by all the ancient writers and story tellers by the same means - and not that any one ancient story was the source used by the makers of the cd-rom for their imagery.
For the remainder of this article Read this page.
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{1.} Has Ronald Pegg confirmed with the makers of the cd-rom that they had never seen or read any of the texts to which he's referring?  {2.} If they have, then even subconsciously it could have affected the way that they chose to display the information.
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1. We have been unable to contact the makers of the cd-rom, as the company was dissolved or taken over.
2. This was addressed via the previous link.

What was the start date for the time travellers?  (i.e. from what date did they go back?)
Unknown.

If this was recent, why take a 13 year old CD-rom with them?  Why not take something more useful?
This is addressed via this link. (also check out the other Qs & As.)
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?  Why bother coving it up? Why would the time travellers have hidden their tracks?  Why would the only reference to them be hidden in these references?
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So ‘history’ would not be changed. The revealing of this information occurred at a certain point of time. Past history can not be changed (without destroying our current timeline) but our future can be amended by knowing of the problems of the past that have contributed towards the negativeness of the various world’s cultures.
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Why would they show them a CD-ROM of the ancient world?  That just doesn't make any sense.  Surely you would show them more modern things, or inventions that could help them avoid pitfalls?
.(from the Qs & As page…)
Ronald Pegg believed that when a time machine was (will be) built, the first field trip was back to the ancient Middle East, somewhere around the Mesopotamian region.
The purpose was simple - using their new toy (time machine) and showing off, the chrononauts gave a 'show and tell' of the future to the very first civilized people they could find.
It has been proposed that historical cd-roms were selected which were relevant to neighbouring regions (from which future civilizations would emerge), but would mean nothing to the ancient locals due to their lack of geographical understanding. In this way, the experiment could be a success without damaging history. If the people could not understand what they were seeing, then the brief appearance of modern technology and the showing of future information would not change history.
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Personally, I feel that this is no evidence for time travel, but at best a coincidence and at worst a delusion.
My final question is to you, Eddy_P.  Are you willing to entertain the possibility that you are wrong?  If not, I see no reason why this thread needs to continue.
I am always willing to concede when I am wrong.
But are you ?

You may have your own opinions that draw you to come to different conclusions than myself and other people, but your personal opinion does not necessarily make my position wrong.
My conclusions are based upon ten years of research.

Have you read ALL the available information from the WBD and PPHC-SG websites in order to come to a valid determination ?
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« Reply #40 on: 06/08/2008 08:12:01 »
Quote from: ”Arthur”
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Pegg says that descriptions found in ancient texts from over 25 cultures and time eras match to the imagery and content from three modern cd-roms. He also says that he located the biblical End Time Signs as events in history books, being that when the described events were compared to modern historical events - they matched.
I do not consider this to be valid since the research was based on the fact that the imagery and the events do match. This was the premise on which the research was based.
The conclusion [of time travel] was an attempt to explain why the imagery and the events matched.
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No. You seem to be missing several steps in the research process and have also picked up on the wrong premise, and linked it with a different conclusion.

The "search for matching imagery" as you call it was part of the later Multiple Attestation Criterion to see whether Pegg's claim of 'history from modern cd-roms being documented in ancient texts' was valid.

Between 1996 and 1998 Ronald Pegg found modern historical events documented in ancient texts, both at the surface level and in an encoded manner. That was his first observation.

When these claims were investigated, amazingly, more examples of 'modern history in ancient texts' were found.
If no supportive evidence from modern cd-roms or history books was to be found, then Pegg's discovery would have been deemed just a coincidence. But supportive evidence WAS found and it was concluded that ancient texts do in fact contain extracts of actual history from specific modern history books. So we moved on to the next step - looking for more associated evidence.

Upon further investigation it was found that the common link between the documentation of future historical events in ancient texts was an encounter with God or his angels. It is documented in ancient texts that these angels used certain 'books' to show and tell the ancient prophets whom then documented their encounters.

At this stage it was proposed by Pegg that GOD's Angels travelled through time and took the named printed modern history books back to the ancient prophets and told and showed them the enclosed information - as documented by various named ancient prophets. This was the first theory. The accounts in the religious stories themselves seemed to support this concept.

But this can not be just a 'one off' theory. If this theory was correct for the Old Testament, then at other encounters with angels or gods, there should be the same evidence of modern history documented. As I have previously posted - as well as historical events being documented in ancient texts, associated with these there were certain sequences of animal imagery cited (the 'future visions').

Pegg used his hypothesis to predict what additional evidence should exist only if the hypothesis is true. Basically, at all encounters with gods, GOD, or Angels, various combinations of animal descriptions (the 'visions'), Persian Gulf War data, named people and the historical events - should appear in ancient texts.

He investigated over 25 ancient texts, and there in the ancient descriptions - often covered over by mistranslations or religious rhetoric - were the same animal 'visions', war, and future historical events documented. The "Visions" and "Signs" in all these ancient texts were found to be descriptions of sequences of imagery from at least three cd-roms - Ancients, Grolier, and RedShift2.

The discovered evidence thus supported his claim that "modern historical accounts and cd-rom imagery are described in ancient texts where 'gods, God, or Angels' tell the prophet of future things".

The premise for the research wasn't based on the idea that 'the imagery and the events do match' but 'What supportive evidence is there that indicates that modern historical accounts in ancient texts as cited by the 'gods, God, or Angels' are not just coincidences'.

It was found that where modern historical events were documented in ancient texts, so too were descriptions of the imagery from the cd-roms.

The concept of criterion of multiple attestation declares that the more independent sources there are, the more confident historians feel about reconstructing the past.
This is the point at which you have been introduced to the results of the research. Many of the 'matching' examples are provided on the WBD website.

So on to the next step. Gods, Angels, or something else ?

Pegg found that some of the religiously described gods, GOD, and angels were not of a divine nature, but referred to the icons from the three cd-roms (the seals/doorways which were often depicted as animals).
This destroyed his first theory that it was GOD's Angels who took back the modern books and compact disks.
The other 'angels' who are documented by the named prophet as specifically talking to and showing them 'future things' were therefore also not of a divine nature.

During his investigations Pegg found computer parts documented in the Old Testament, and when Strong's Concordance was employed to return the mistranslated and misinterpreted Latin and Greek meanings back to the original Hebrew/Aramaic, WHY all this is documented in ancient texts was eventually revealed.

The conclusion wasn't (as you call it) "an attempt to explain why the imagery and the events matched" but 'why' and 'how' the imagery and history from the cd-roms ARE documented in ancient texts.

The discovery of more than 30 separate cultural examples of 'matching imagery with ancient descriptions' throughout various eras was the supportive Multiple Attestation process of the investigations - not the premise of the research.
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« Reply #41 on: 06/08/2008 15:39:36 »
The big mistake, as already pointed out and yet dismissed, is that the choice relies on either 1 or 2 with no room for a 3rd possibility, a load of rubbish.

Peggs conclusion are just his conclusions. He dismisses the fact that you cant prove a negative because he knows its all true!

Its the old, "if you are not with me you are against me" principal which leaves no room for any other ideas and creates a very unscientific biased view. 10 years of research does not make a solid theory especially when one has already made up their mind as to the outcome and is not prepared to listen.

What is the proof that God exists = none
What is the proof that Angels exist = none
What is the proof that time travel exists = none

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« Reply #42 on: 07/08/2008 05:57:11 »
What is the proof that God exists = none
Assuming you are referring to the religiously described and perceived GOD from the world’s various religious texts - Agreed.
BUT the basis for those religious stories/myths about gods and God are due to encounters with the images of the five deities from the modern cd-rom.
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What is the proof that Angels exist = none
Assuming you are referring to the white winged religiously described and perceived Angels from the world’s various religious texts - Agreed.
BUT using original meanings for angel, such as the Hebrew meaning being just “messenger” - there ARE chronicles of certain ‘messengers’ in various ancient texts by named historical people who told them to write down what they saw and were told from a specific “sealed book” that they were holding.
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What is the proof that time travel exists = none
Incorrect.
Ancient texts contain descriptions of modern technology.
Ancient texts contain descriptions of the content from three certain modern cd-roms.
Ancient texts contain chronicled descriptions of actual modern historical events and people.
Some ancient texts contain depictions of a compact disk and other computer technology.
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LINK to seven REPORTS that presents further proof.
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« Reply #43 on: 09/08/2008 23:16:00 »
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« Reply #44 on: 10/08/2008 11:09:41 »
Paul - you're more polite than me.

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« Reply #45 on: 20/06/2009 01:06:19 »
What puzzles me the most is whether the ancient Egyptians used AT&T or Sprint for their iPhones and Blackberrys...

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« Reply #46 on: 20/06/2009 14:19:25 »
Now I'd be the first to accept that the ancient Egyptians were are highly advanced civilisation, as this pic of a pyramid illustrates only too well, but surely you can't be suggesting they had cellphone technology, can you?
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« Reply #47 on: 20/06/2009 16:26:51 »
I wish those time travellers had taken a battery operated camera with them.  If they had, they could have brought back some interesting documentaries.

In any event, why did they go back in time?  If they just wanted to initiate change - it's somewhat pointless.  The future has happened notwithstanding exactly as evident, presumably in those CD ROMS.

Personally I think those time travellers took the wrong turn there.  If they really want a money spinner, let's get some pictures of ancient Egypt with the pyramids and temples new and freshly painted.  I'd give good money to see that.

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« Reply #48 on: 21/06/2009 09:53:00 »
I rather doubt you will be parting with a single penny.
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« Reply #49 on: 21/06/2009 10:09:34 »
Well I'm going to go back to the day that I was born. I will then proceed to kidnap myself.

Is this what they call putting your destiny into your own hands?