[Bored chemist]

"OK when did I say that Mr chemist? "

Here

"I am challenging your assumption that the Moon glows red because the Earth blocks out the blue light, I argue the Earth blocks out the red too. MY POINT."
You seem to have overlooked the fact that the earth has an atmosphere which selectively blocks blue light.

Jolly, why don't you just say it "I don't believe the evidence that I can see with my own eyes"?

[sooyeah]

"OK when did I say that Mr chemist? "

Here

"I am challenging your assumption that the Moon glows red because the Earth blocks out the blue light, I argue the Earth blocks out the red too. MY POINT."
You seem to have overlooked the fact that the earth has an atmosphere which selectively blocks blue light.

OK Mr Chemist, you will see I said "Earth" not Atmosphere. If you had read the rest of the last post surely you would see that. Does it matter? Doesn't does it.

Move on Bored move on,

So rather than dragging up points that have already been answered. Why not answer the ones that haven't; Like the main question of this thread:

How do we confirm the moon rocks are really from the moon?

Which leads to my Question:
where is the proof that it's Moon rock? Why Moon rock not Mars rock for example?

[LeeE]

We've been able to learn a lot about the planets and their moons from spectrographic analysis of reflected sunlight, and in the case of our Moon, by going there.   This info has also been supplimented by a lot of experiments conducted by probes.  The end result is that we know quite a lot about the composition of the planets and their moons, and knowing whether a rock comes from the Moon, or from Mars, comes down to finding the best match.

[lyner]

Yes. And the red light bit is a red herring.

[LeeE]

Actually, a kipper might be more appropriate - quite a good colour match []

[JimBob]

Rocks from the surface of the moon have isotopes which are rare on Earth.
This is because the moon does not have an atmosphere to protect the surface from incoming cosmic rays, which create the isotopes.

they have isotopes and chemical compounds not found on earth - especially types of plagioclase.

[Bored chemist]

Last time I checked the atmospher was part of the earth, but not it seems on Jolly's plannet.


Also when he says "Move on Bored move on,

So rather than dragging up points that have already been answered. Why not answer the ones that haven't; Like the main question of this thread:

How do we confirm the moon rocks are really from the moon?"
I presume he means "move backwards" to this,
"Incidentally, as Jolly knows perfectly well, the question of how do we know they are moon rocks was debated at pointless length in another thread. The analyses of the rocks indicated that they had been subject to conditions that simply don't exist on earth."
which I posted yesterday.


As for the penetrating matter of "Why Moon rock not Mars rock for example? "
Because we went to the moon to get it; we didn't get lost and go to Mars by mistake.

[sooyeah]

Last time I checked the atmospher was part of the earth, but not it seems on Jolly's plannet.

Yes the planet Earth has an atmosphere, The Earth- the mass of the earth, is well earth and rock isn't it and no light is passing though that is it. How many times will I have to repeat myself? Someone keep a tally.

Also when he says "Move on Bored move on,

So rather than dragging up points that have already been answered. Why not answer the ones that haven't; Like the main question of this thread:

How do we confirm the moon rocks are really from the moon?"
I presume he means "move backwards" to this,
"Incidentally, as Jolly knows perfectly well, the question of how do we know they are moon rocks was debated at pointless length in another thread. The analyses of the rocks indicated that they had been subject to conditions that simply don't exist on earth."
which I posted yesterday.

One: Have you read the title of this thread?
Two: A rock from anywhere in the universe, will be subject to conditions that don't exist on the Earth? YES OR NO BORED?
Three: What part of we are not doing this again, did you not understand?

As for the penetrating matter of "Why Moon rock not Mars rock for example? "
Because we went to the moon to get it; we didn't get lost and go to Mars by mistake.

Here's is the problem, some people believe we didn't go to the moon, so saying this is definitely moon rock because Neil brought it out of the module, won't satisfy them, will it. Point

So lets imagine you are holding a rock in 1950, it's not from Earth, you just saw it fall from the sky; Now, how do you know where it came from?
How did the Russians know there rock was from the moon before the lunar landings?

[Bored chemist]

You clearly didn't read what I posted. Did you read JimBob's post?
As you say the thread's title is "How can we..."
Present tense. How we might have done it in 1950 isn't the point.
Now, we can say these rocks came from the moon because they are like the other rocks from the moon.
The only problem with that is if you don't believe that we went to the moon. Well, as you say, we are not doing that discussion again but my memory tells me that you utterly failed to convince anyone about your minority view. To the extent that we are doing it again it's because you brought the conspiracy theory up.

The obvious answer is they are moon rocks because they look like moon rocks.
Oh, btw,
re "A rock from anywhere in the universe, will be subject to conditions that don't exist on the Earth? YES OR NO BORED?
"
The answer's plainly no. A rock from Blackpool will not have been subject to conditions that don't exist on Earth. Blackpool might not be in your univers, but it's in mine.

[LeeE]

Jolly - do you have a clear idea of what you're trying to achieve in this thread?  Would you mind sharing it with us?

[lyner]

It's just attention seeking. Don't get involved.
He'll go away if he's not encouraged.

[sooyeah]

Jolly - do you have a clear idea of what you're trying to achieve in this thread?  Would you mind sharing it with us?

Yes

It's just attention seeking. Don't get involved.
He'll go away if he's not encouraged.

 []

You clearly didn't read what I posted. Did you read JimBob's post?
As you say the thread's title is "How can we..."
Present tense. How we might have done it in 1950 isn't the point.

Did you read my last post? SORRY it is definitely a point!

Now, we can say these rocks came from the moon because they are like the other rocks from the moon.
The only problem with that is if you don't believe that we went to the moon. Well, as you say, we are not doing that discussion again but my memory tells me that you utterly failed to convince anyone about your minority view. To the extent that we are doing it again it's because you brought the conspiracy theory up.

The obvious answer is they are moon rocks because they look like moon rocks.
Oh, btw,
re "A rock from anywhere in the universe, will be subject to conditions that don't exist on the Earth? YES OR NO BORED?
"
The answer's plainly no. A rock from Blackpool will not have been subject to conditions that don't exist on Earth. Blackpool might not be in your univers, but it's in mine.

You See people? You see! You see what he's doing? This is not normal! He's not an man, I tell you! I have it on good authority he sleeps upside down in a cave somewhere in Peru, He spends his days lurking in the science wing, thinking up ever increasingly sinister ways to annoy the students. Over a year I've been posting and he's still at it!! Your all either, Blind or crazy-

[Bored chemist]

So you have run out of anything resembling rational argument then.
What we could have done in 1950 does not answer the question "how do we confirm moon rocks are from the moon". It might answer "how could we have confirmed that moon rocks..."
but that's a different question.
BTW, I haven't been caving in over 20 years but I'd quite like a trip to Peru.

[sooyeah]

So you have run out of anything resembling rational argument then.
What we could have done in 1950 does not answer the question "how do we confirm moon rocks are from the moon". It might answer "how could we have confirmed that moon rocks..."
but that's a different question.
BTW, I haven't been caving in over 20 years but I'd quite like a trip to Peru.

OK Mr Chemist, quibbling aside.

Well let's ask a different question:

If you are in a lab with space rock, and do not have a sample of "Moon rock"(that Neil brought back) or charts relating to tests done on the "Moon rock"(Neil brought back); How do you know it's moon rock?   

Mental note: It's not in Peru